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Who Needs Humans?
07-18-2011, 04:05 AM,
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Who Needs Humans?
Quote:by Daniel Lyons
July 18, 2011

As if American workers don’t have it rough enough, with unemployment skyrocketing and jobs moving overseas, now there’s another threat: robots.

Amid all the job losses of the Great Recession, there is one category of worker that the economic disruption has been good for: nonhumans.

From self-service checkout lines at the supermarket to industrial robots armed with saws and taught to carve up animal carcasses in slaughter-houses, these ever-more-intelligent machines are now not just assisting workers but actually kicking them out of their jobs.

Automation isn’t just affecting factory workers, either. Some law firms now use artificial intelligence software to scan and read mountains of legal documents, work that previously was performed by highly paid human lawyers.

“Robots continue to have an impact on blue-collar jobs, and white-collar jobs are under attack by microprocessors,” says Edward Leamer, an economics professor at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and director of the UCLA Anderson Forecast, a survey of the U.S. and California economies. Leamer says the recession permanently wiped out 2.5 million jobs. U.S. gross domestic product has climbed back to pre-recession levels, meaning we’re producing as much as before, only with 6 percent fewer workers. To be sure, robotics are not the only job killers out there, with outsourcing stealing far more gigs than automation.

Jeff Burnstein, president of the Robotics Industry Association, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Mich., argues that robots actually save U.S. jobs. His logic: companies that embrace automation might use fewer workers, but that’s still better than firing everyone and moving the work overseas.

It’s not that robots are cheaper than humans, though often they are. It’s that they are better. “In some cases the quality requirements are so stringent that even if you wanted to have a human do the job, you couldn’t,” Burnstein says. He cites General Motors, which uses robots to lay a bead of sealant on windshields, because humans can’t do the job as precisely.

Same goes for surgeons, who are using robotic systems to perform an ever-growing list of operations—not because the machines save money but because, thanks to the greater precision of robots, the patients recover in less time and have fewer complications, says Dr. Myriam Curet, chief medical adviser at Intuitive Surgical in Sunnyvale, Calif. The surgery bots don’t replace surgeons—you still need a surgeon to drive the robot. And they’re not cheap. Prices go as high as $2.2 million. Nevertheless, Intuitive sold 400 of them just last year. If you’ve had a prostatectomy recently, chances are a robot was involved.

Surgeons may survive the robot invasion, but others at the hospital might not be so lucky, as iRobot, maker of the Roomba, a robot vacuum cleaner, has been showing off Ava, a three-foot-tall droid on wheels that carries a tablet computer. iRobot reckons Ava could be used as a courier in a hospital. And once you’re home, recovering, Ava could let you talk to your doctor, so there’s no need to send someone to your house. That “mobile telepresence” could be useful at the office. If you’re away on a trip, you can still attend a meeting. Just connect via videoconferencing software, so your face appears on Ava’s screen.

Is any job safe? I was hoping to say “journalist,” but researchers are already developing algorithms that can gather facts and write a news story. Which means that a few years from now, a robot could be writing this column. And who will read it? Well, there might be a lot of us hanging around with lots of free time on our hands.

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-threat-of-automation-robots-threaten-american-jobs.html
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07-18-2011, 09:50 AM,
#2
RE: Who Needs Humans?

This looks like an old crappy article recycled from the 90s.

You should go back to the David Icke forum and find us some hilarious postings from the masters of delusions R.R.
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07-18-2011, 05:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-18-2011, 05:35 PM by Cheng.)
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
How is technology/robots a threat..? If the machines can do better work than humans, more efficient, doesnt this give you any idea of freedom?



And zapoper: This is very mutch what is going on today.
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07-18-2011, 06:27 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
Interesting thread!!!

as for robots being man kinds demise, see skynet, and BSG!!! but will our tech get that far before it's too late, i think not.Sure we have the computer processor power now, but we lack the AI of true learning and adaptability, robots of today are little more then droids with set programs, as long as this remains the case we have nothing to fear but job loss. but frankly anything which lets more folks live there lives over being slaves to industry and finance is A ok with me!

It's not just corporations who can benefit from droids though even simple ones which cut lawns or roomba (vacuum) not only saves the owner time, but removes a mundane but needed time waster from the week to week schedule.

Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

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07-18-2011, 07:32 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-18-2011, 06:27 PM)Deathaniel Wrote: Interesting thread!!!

as for robots being man kinds demise, see skynet, and BSG!!! but will our tech get that far before it's too late, i think not.Sure we have the computer processor power now, but we lack the AI of true learning and adaptability, robots of today are little more then droids with set programs, as long as this remains the case we have nothing to fear but job loss. but frankly anything which lets more folks live there lives over being slaves to industry and finance is A ok with me!

It's not just corporations who can benefit from droids though even simple ones which cut lawns or roomba (vacuum) not only saves the owner time, but removes a mundane but needed time waster from the week to week schedule.


You do realise that Skynet is a computer program from a movie? :/

And even if we program AI to learn, which we almost can do today, why would they KILL everything? Where is the logic in that?

Unless we program them to be the only thing existing in the universe.. which doesnt even make sense.
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07-19-2011, 01:54 AM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-18-2011, 09:50 AM)zapoper Wrote: This looks like an old crappy article recycled from the 90s.

You should go back to the David Icke forum and find us some hilarious postings from the masters of delusions R.R.

All in good time my friend, all in good time.

Deathaniel Wrote:as for robots being man kinds demise, see skynet, and BSG!!! but will our tech get that far before it's too late, i think not.Sure we have the computer processor power now, but we lack the AI of true learning and adaptability, robots of today are little more then droids with set programs

That is the whole point. Throughout civilized human history, society has been structured so that small elites can live off the labour of the masses, hence the various forms of propaganda down through the ages such as religion or patriotism to get the masses working. Alongside that comes the need to provide bread and circuses for the masses because all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy - liable to embark upon psychotic behaviour. 'Droids with set programs' are a perfect slave force meaning they will displace the existing slave force - the masses. Droids will also not require amusement so most of the things that are used by the powers that be to subdue the masses will no longer exist - which in some ways is a good thing i.e no more Lady Gaga. But the point is to realise that if we are living in a prison or we are slaves without knowing it, here is the next phase leaving the rest of us redundant.

Deathaniel Wrote:as long as this remains the case we have nothing to fear but job loss

How are most people going to pay the bills? Or feed themselves? Or clothe themselves? Or educate their children? Or buy things that they cannot produce? Or pay the taxes that allow them to use government provided services? Loads of people out of work means the potential for revolution or possibly a reevaluation of current lifestyles which is actually something that most need to do. However we are so conditioned to follow existing lifestyles that any move to self-sufficiency is likely to fail as most (in western/developed countries) are used to supermarkets and big companies importing products in for their consumption.

Deathaniel Wrote:anything which lets more folks live there lives over being slaves to industry and finance is A ok with me!

I agree as an isolated statement but not in conjunction with knowing how society has been structured for most of recorded history. Simply put if robots take over human jobs and humans have no money to buy what robots produce, what exactly is the point? Especially when we know that money is created out of thin air meaning at the very top, profit is not the motivator for the very elite. It basically conforms to depopulation plans where the richest families in the world today will build their Earthly paradise without having to see their snot-nosed slaves - the robots essentially put to use for whatever those elites want to study/explore and produce whatever is required for themselves. In other words those that are reliant on elite sponsored governments will be obsolete.

Cheng Wrote:How is technology/robots a threat..?

Primarily because technology is not neutral and is swayed by the mindset of whoever is creating it.

Cheng Wrote:If the machines can do better work than humans, more efficient, doesnt this give you any idea of freedom?

I'd suggest you ask yourself if whoever is in charge of this type of technology will say to themselves 'hmm how can I use this to make everyone's life better?' because quite frankly judging by the crap we are fed and the deliberate dumbing down of people in general, I can almost assure you that, as per usual, this type of technology will not be a benefit to the whole of mankind, rather it will perpetuate the grip that certain groups already have over the direction of life on this planet. We already live in a very controlled society - the banking scam being the most obvious example of how a few can control millions of people.

As for freedom, fair enough we won't have to work for someone else but if a resource a community uses is deemed important to the elite forces of this world, I doubt they'd have any qualms about simply eradicating whoever is living on or near that resource, much like the numerous examples through history and modern times such as gold mines or oil fields.

Cheng Wrote:And even if we program AI to learn, which we almost can do today, why would they KILL everything? Where is the logic in that?

Unless we program them to be the only thing existing in the universe.. which doesnt even make sense.

First of all, it is not WE (as in humanity as a whole), it is THEY (as in the most influential people on the planet). YOU will have zero say in the direction the technology takes unless you are a member of a prominent family in a position of making decisions that effect many people. They would kill everything but themselves save maybe a few people for labour purposes, mainly because it is inefficient to maintain the lives of so many who are essentially obsolete once technology can do the majority of menial tasks in society. Not to mention attempts to merge human consciousness with machines essentially gifting the megalomaniacs of this world their ages long wish of immortality and faux-divinity. There is plenty of logic in it once divorced from ethics or morality - the cold logic of the psychopath.

Cheng Wrote:You do realise that Skynet is a computer program from a movie?

A somewhat moot point, the movie was a speculative attempt to show what life would be like for many people under such a situation although perhaps the movie Surrogates is a better example of what happens to those who are not part of the in-crowd; they will essentially live a ghetto lifestyle while being a nuisance to the powers that be - hence the motivation to eliminate them.

I am not anti-technology, but as it is not neutral it will ultimately be of benefit to the more prosperous of this world (many of whom have some very revealing public statements about their thoughts of the masses thus turning technology into a co-conspirator), I am wary when things of this nature are put out.
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07-19-2011, 06:12 AM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
RR many good points,but i'm still a fan guess being a mad scientest and using machines to do most labors including security, i don't think tech isjust for the elite, maybe the literate cause if your a tard you couldn't repair or build your own, and true the upper echelons would have no use for the unwashed masses if they had droids who do it better, longer, and without whining. But the need for droids is ever increasing as the western world becomes more lazy, unskilled and drug addled. i"ve worked all over NA and the plague is in full bloom! Droids may be the only way the consumer based society can continue on!

As for no jobs = no money...hells no theres always welfare and more and more products (healthy and not) are being made by robots and are for sale at a fraction of the price they once were at your big boxstore walmart as i type this.

we will still have the media how else to shape the opinions of the society to be dominated, just now with more droids and the social state were we to make it much further (as most know I doubt we are going to) it will mean we will not have labor shortages and not have to sacrifice safety or craftsmanship to the unskilled and often impaired who do the jobs now! I mean i can rarely even get a good cup of coffee @ tims anymore and how f'n hard is it for the kid to pour coffee and add some sugar....stir pass out the window...

As for how it's programed BINGO!!!!!very good point and your best, your right we're not going to get Asmonov droids but it's not truly a worry if they are not sentient or given more program then to do a task (AI). which leads to my reply to cheng..

yes i know skynet is just a movie but since Regan they have been talking of making such a thing real, thats why the movie:terminator did so well at provoking the fears of the folks of 1984 when it came out as if the gov had it's way there would already be a star wars, hell personally i believe there is one most here know it better as HAARP.Confused

Luckily HAARP is not sentient and the PTB still have to send it round to make it wash out the "enemies"of there agenda

End of the day machines need humans! to answer the simple question. As for who will benefit more the sheep or the Shepard, I'd have to say the sheep as it lets them continue to devolve with out immediate suffering and since the sheeple have no ability to forecast there own fate is it so bad if they become slaves to the machines like the eloi, I say better for the masses to shift the burden of there own demise from there own shoulders to that of machines.

As for the NWO/PTB well they are writing there own doom if ever they cull too many of the sheep/ work force as like i said it's machines who need humans and if only the elite remain guess who will be working for who... or as Angus sang "Who made who"
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Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

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07-19-2011, 06:52 AM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
Deathaniel Wrote:Droids may be the only way the consumer based society can continue on!

Excellent point! Wish I'd added that but I'll leave it to others to think about especially to dwell on whether robots/machines/high technology are necessary if mass produced, consumer society wasn't the prime point of modern life.
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07-19-2011, 08:04 AM,
#9
RE: Who Needs Humans?

You guys are so intelligent and yet dumb as a door nail it makes me sad. lol.

I guess Tesla was only doing odd jobs as a carpenter.

Robots shmobots. It's all propaganda so that you look else where while the other side is doing something else.

BTW R.R, I really enjoy reading your "stuff" in general. I wish that I could be as eloquent with words as you are.

WAVE! lol


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07-22-2011, 02:31 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-18-2011, 04:05 AM)R.R Wrote: Is any job safe? I was hoping to say “journalist,” but researchers are already developing algorithms that can gather facts and write a news story. Which means that a few years from now, a robot could be writing this column. And who will read it? Well, there might be a lot of us hanging around with lots of free time on our hands.
Some law firms now use artificial intelligence software to scan and read mountains of legal documents, work that previously was performed by highly paid human lawyers

There's your answer. Dodgy
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07-22-2011, 02:36 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
if you are worried about losing your job to a robot become a mechanic specialising in robotsSmile
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07-22-2011, 04:19 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-22-2011, 02:36 PM)rsol Wrote: if you are worried about losing your job to a robot become a mechanic specializing in robots. Smile
Or write a book entitled "How to Be Successful in Whatever You Do - Secret Advice from God". Content immaterial...

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07-25-2011, 08:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-25-2011, 08:19 AM by Bull Medicine.)
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-18-2011, 07:32 PM)Cheng Wrote: You do realise that Skynet is a computer program from a movie? :/

try putting a search for "skynet israel" into a search engine and see what you get.

Also, there is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellite%29

5D comes in 2013 apparently


(07-25-2011, 07:27 AM)Harry Smith Wrote: Human is the mastermind of everything

Nope

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07-25-2011, 05:26 PM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
(07-25-2011, 08:18 AM)Bull Medicine Wrote:
(07-18-2011, 07:32 PM)Cheng Wrote: You do realise that Skynet is a computer program from a movie? :/

try putting a search for "skynet israel" into a search engine and see what you get.

Also, there is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellite%29

5D comes in 2013 apparently

Nice find... now if their dumb enough to make it autonomous, and given the ability to control land based units's the NWO f'ers might just have fucked us all!!!!

Think how hard after chaos (social break down in the current system from loss of power, or from a massive planetary disaster) it will be if they were to be so dumb for us humans to take out the machines if they were controlled from space. I doubt many aircraft even would make it through chaos, let alone antiquated and delapatated fragile shuttle crafts we're allowed to see today.

Scary how stupid some of there plans are... Angry
Remember Knowledge is the only thing THEY can't take from you, and Knowledge is Know how, and Know how is Power!!!

Live long and Prosper!!!! Have a plan beyond words, and worry not of why the storm is coming as to how you're going to survive in it!!!!

Deathanyl @gmail!!!!!!
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08-08-2011, 11:33 AM,
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RE: Who Needs Humans?
Foxconn appears to be headed towards robot labour. That seems to be in line with everything else. We're fine with advancement but robots = power and whoever controls the robots, however it is done, controls the world. Finance and Communication are already saturated with robots and autonomous processes.

More on Foxconn here.

Manufacturing has become more technological and so has the mining sector. Some countries have inducted robots into the education process. Government has spent loads on computerized systems, all part of the robotic agenda.

It can be seen as progress to a point in taking people off of dangerous, menial and repetitive tasks and given the right circumstances technology is a boon to us human folk. There was an uproar about lost labour when the spinning jenny was introduced.

With robotics, and technology in general, there is a line in concentration of power, autonomy and the human element in decision making. Our dependence on these systems and modern society in general transforms our role into one of co-dependence with those who control those systems relative to societies dependence on them .. at least until we are rendered useless eaters.

Robots have been creeping into military, transhumanism is being pushed (especially to children, cell phones have become an extension of people's bodies.

So will be managed by robotic systems (be it by Idiocracy or Technocracy), supervised by them, fitted with them (cyberhumanism), wiped out by them (Terminator), eaten by them, transferred to them.... there is certainly a digitization of human knowledge and behaviour going about.

Flesh eating hunter robots that can talk to eachother, have access to a DNA / biometric / terrorist / credit history / medical / criminal profiling database history jump 20 ft in the air turn into blobs, fly, have incredible balance, react to emotion, have bio-engineered skin, see through walls, shoot around corners, equipped with white phosphorus, have EM weapons, can learn via neural network, have EM shielding, can mimic invisibility on radar and to the human eye, equipped with sound weapons, energy weapons, have lighting fast reflexes, perfect motion tracking sensors, superhuman tactile abilities, super strength, cameras, mp3 players, taser guns and weather / chemical / biological / viral / microwave / radioactive / depleted uranium shells, can deploy swarms of nanobots that can enter your bloodstream & control your by your hypothalamus and can beat a grand master in chess.(~ref)

Terminators were never this scary in the movies. By then it will be too late. Humanity needs to unplug from the co-dependant hub or decentralize it.

Quote:Foxconn to replace workers with 1 million robots in 3 years
English.news.cn 2011-07-30 01:42:14 FeedbackPrintRSS

SHENZHEN, July 29 (Xinhua) -- Taiwanese technology giant Foxconn will replace some of its workers with 1 million robots in three years to cut rising labor expenses and improve efficiency, said Terry Gou, founder and chairman of the company, late Friday.

The robots will be used to do simple and routine work such as spraying, welding and assembling which are now mainly conducted by workers, said Gou at a workers' dance party Friday night.

The company currently has 10,000 robots and the number will be increased to 300,000 next year and 1 million in three years, according to Gou.

Foxconn, the world's largest maker of computer components which assembles products for Apple, Sony and Nokia, is in the spotlight after a string of suicides of workers at its massive Chinese plants, which some blamed on tough working conditions.

The company currently employs 1.2 million people, with about 1 million of them based on the Chinese mainland.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-07/30/c_131018764.htm
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