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Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - FastTadpole - 12-10-2012

Something BIG is going down at the 13th International Conference of Chief Justices of the World in India that runs from the 9th through the 13th of December.

Quote:World government topic of chief justices’ meeting
December 9, 2012
By: Michael McGuire

Superior court judges from throughout the world are meeting in Lucknow, India through Dec. 13 to discuss proposals for world government

The meeting is the 13th International Conference of Chief Justices of the World. The conference is live on the Web.

The goal of the conference is to promote “enforceable world law, effective global governance and peace education” to deal effectively with such problems as "lawlessness, terrorism, environmental degradation, drug trafficking and other global problems."

"New revolutionary changes in the technology of transport and communications have reduced the world to a global village," according to the group. "People living on the opposite sides of the globe have become virtual neighbours, thanks to the internet and supersonic jets. In such a close-knit world, the emergence or formation of a new world order is only a matter of time. The mute question is whether the unification of humankind will happen after unimaginable horrors precipitated by humanity’s stubborn clinging to old patterns of behaviour, or is to be embraced now by an act of consultative will."

At the 12th conference in 2011, more than 100 chief justices from throughout the world unanimously passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a world parliament, world government and world court of justice.

Attending from the United States were Sylvia O. Hinds-Radix, Administrative Judge for Civil Matters, Second Judicial District, New York State Supreme Court; and Sylvia Ash, Judge, Kings County Civil Court.
http://www.examiner.com/article/world-government-topic-of-chief-justices-meeting

++ Article 51 of CMS is figuring into this discussion prominently.

Quote:International Terrorism can be curbed, not by War
but by enforceable World Law, effective global governance and peace education


TERRORISM GREATEST MENACE

Terrorist attacks since the beginning of this Millennium, have brought to the fore dimensions of modern terrorism and has shown to the world the deep wounds it can inflict on humanity. The dimension of the ghastly attack perpetrated in Mumbai, financial capital of India, on 26-28 November, 2008 by terrorists is unparalleled in which about 200 people, including women and children, were killed and about 400 were injured. This is said to be the handiwork of international terrorists from across the border, who came through sea route. There have been terrorist attacks on Mumbai earlier also and on other cities of India, namely, Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and others killing hundreds. Several years ago there was such attack on Indian Parliament building designed to kill prominent leaders of India.

Terrorism is the greatest menace as the terrorists strike at will, in most cases killing innocent citizens. Recently, religious fundamentalism has emerged as a greater menace because of the brain-washed suicide squards. After the end of the so-called ‘Cold War’, the United States tried to act as an international policeman and maintain law and order, but its actions lacked legitimacy and have often been criticised sometimes even by the traditional American allies. However, since 11 September, 2001 international terrorism has emerged as the biggest threat to civilized living and to the modern nation-states.

International Terrorism is the result of international lawlessness, a grim scenario where people opt for violent destructive acts to draw attention to their grievances, real or imaginary, for which they feel the system does not offer any remedy. Even if it be true in any, or some cases, it does not justify wanton killings, violence and terrorism. At the same time state sponsored terrorism by way of attack on another country on false pretext and encouraging, assisting and sending terrorists across the borders and killing of innocent civilians can by no means be justified.

Some people mistakenly believe that there are some international laws but in reality there is no enforceable world law that is universally applicable to all the countries and peoples of the world. A law that has no legal sanctity, is not legally enforceable and law which does not carry a penalty for its violation, cannot be called a law at all. In that sense, there is indeed no international law in the world today, in the absence of which there is total lawlessness as reflected in the increasing instances of international terrorism. Today, international terrorism demands enforceable world laws because international terrorism can be curbed only through enforceable world laws and not by war, whether it is between two or more countries or even a World War.

During the last six decades more people have died in numerous wars all over the world than had died in both the World Wars combined. The nuclear countries have build up massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons, reported to be over 20,000 warheads now. Moreover, 80 countries have also stockpiled chemical and biological weapons. Three - fourths of the earth’s tropical forest cover has disappeared. Even though the UN has many achievements to its credit, in the ultimate analysis, one has to admit that it has fallen far short of the expectations of its founding fathers. One is reminded of what Jan Tinbergen, the 1969 Nobel laureate in Economics, said, “Mankind’s problems can no longer be solved by national governments. What is needed is a World Government. This can best be achieved by strengthening the United Nations system.”

NEED OF THE HOUR

With the rapid developments in science, technology and communications, the world today has become a global village where people from all the countries have to perforce live in close cooperation for mutual progress, development and survival. In this changed scenario, the old mindset has become redundant and a new mindset is needed for this millennium. The crying need of the new age is unity of humankind and peace in the world. There is thus an urgent need for a legally constituted law making body for enacting enforceable International or World Law that is applicable to all the countries and peoples of the world at the same time. Only such world law can ensure unity of humankind and preserve world peace. This can be done either by strengthening the United Nations system, as suggested by Jan Tinbergen, or by creating a new body and a new world executive under a new world order.

EDUCATION FOR WORLD PEACE

In order to successfully meet the deadly threat of international terrorism, unprecedented levels of international cooperation and global efforts are needed. This is one international problem that can in no way be solved by any national government alone, even if it be the world’s only super power. Also, it has to be realized that the vehicle of war cannot take humanity very far. If ever there is to be effective international cooperation, such as was hoped for by the League of Nations and the United Nations, then there has to be a very widespread effort at inculcating globalism in children all over the world and shaping their mindset towards globalism. Only then will a true generation of world citizens arise. But for this to happen, schools will have to cultivate tolerance and co-existence in children who must be taught to love the Creator and develop love for His creation. Like wars, terrorism too begins in the minds of men and it is in the minds of men where the defences of peace have to be constructed. This can best be done in schools when children are young and impressionable.

True education releases capacities, develops analytical abilities, confidence in oneself, will-power and goal setting competencies, and instils the vision that enables one to become a self-motivated agent of social change, serving the best interests of the community. At a certain moment in history, education must also act as a powerful instrument for profound social transformation. Such a moment has now arrived.

ENFORCEABLE WORLD LAW

New revolutionary changes in the technology of transport and communications have reduced the world to a global village. People living on the opposite sides of the globe have become virtual neighbours, thanks to the internet and supersonic jets. In such a close-knit world, the emergence or formation of a new world order is only a matter of time. The mute question is whether the unification of humankind will happen after unimaginable horrors precipitated by humanity’s stubborn clinging to old patterns of behaviour, or is to be embraced now by an act of consultative will. However, there can be little doubt that only enforceable international or world law enacted by a properly represented and duly constituted World body can ensure world peace, implement global steps to conserve the environment, outlaw and check acts of terrorism, and eliminate all weapons of mass destruction, thus safeguarding the future of world’s children, born and yet-to-be-born. However, a powerful executive authority will be imperative to ensure and enforce compliance.

And in order to ensure obedience to such laws, the executive authority must have sanction and support of all the nation states so as to enable such authority to compel any state to surrender to international or world law and provide effective global governance. Such a world order will be able to address important problems of lawlessness, terrorism, environmental degradation, drug trafficking and other global problems.
http://www.cmseducation.org/article51/international_law.html


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - CharliePrime - 12-10-2012

I find it disturbing that a "International Conference of Chief Justices" even exists. Smile

"The mute question is whether the unification of humankind will happen after unimaginable horrors precipitated by humanity’s stubborn clinging to old patterns of behaviour, or is to be embraced now by an act of consultative will."

Problem - Reaction - Solution


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - macfadden - 12-11-2012

I'm in favor of global government and world law as long as the government is a liberal secular democratic constitutional republic under the rule of fair and just laws based in reason that apply to every individual and entity equally and unconditionally regardless of race, gender, wealth, status, or numbers. But I suspect that the "International Conference of Chief Justices" is more about instituting an undemocratic neo-feudal tyranny administrated by unelected technocrats on behalf of a group of decadent degenerate elitist parasites, or in other words The New World Order.


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - SiLVa - 12-11-2012

Agreed iC1. Blatant double speak.

(12-11-2012, 04:56 AM)macfadden Wrote: I'm in favor of global government and world law as long as the government is a liberal secular democratic constitutional republic under the rule of fair and just laws based in reason that apply to every individual and entity equally and unconditionally regardless of race, gender, wealth, status, or numbers. But I suspect that the "International Conference of Chief Justices" is more about instituting an undemocratic neo-feudal tyranny administrated by unelected technocrats on behalf of a group of decadent degenerate elitist parasites, or in other words The New World Order.
No thanks re: World Government. I dont give a flying fuck how good they paint it or dress it up. Its still going to suck for all the regular people.
What do you think they are going to do? Do you think they're going to tell you its a tyrannical dictatorship style world government? Of course not. They'll use great buzz words like social justice, equality, democracy...just like they do now. I think we all know better than to believe that bullshit.
And you said that you dont believe in divine law or natural law yet you believe that their can be a system of "world law" that is valid and justified? No way am I buying into that nonsense.


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - FastTadpole - 12-11-2012

LIST OF 484 EMINENT CHIEF JUSTICES, JUDGES & HEADS OF STATE FROM 103 COUNTRIES WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE PREVIOUS TWELVE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES OF CHIEF JUSTICES OF THE
WORLD ON ARTICLE 51 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA.

http://www.cmseducation.org/Article51/408participants.pdf

It seems to have started on the topic and incorporated terrorism into the push for global law. Through a combination of childhood indoctrination and global law enforcement by dangling the carrot of world peace and anti-US sentiment.

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More from the conference on the nuclear disarmament point.

Quote:13th International Conference of Chief Justices of the World on Article 51 of the Constitution of India

ARTICLE 51. Promotion of international peace and security:

The State shall endeavor to —

(a) promote international peace and security;

(b) maintain just and honorable relations between nations;

© foster respect for international law and encourage settlement of international disputes by arbitration.

Since the Second World War, 199 wars have been fought by 81 countries and 69 countries have been directly the theatres of war (Mr Janez Stanovnik, Paris, UNESCO, 1978). Mr Gil Elliot, who made a valiant attempt to count the man-made deaths in 20th century has arrived at a total of 110 millions from 1900 to 1970. This figure includes 38 million soldiers. It means that one out of every 30 inhabitants on the earth was killed through government criminality (pages 43-44,’ Victims of Politics : The State and Human Rights’ by K. Glaser and S. T. Possony, New York, Columbia University Press, 1979).

After 1970 there have been more deaths in wars in Middle East and African countries. India was no exception, which has been attacked several times and is subject to cross-border terrorism in which thousands have been killed. Terrorist attack on World Trade Centre, New York, on 11th September 2001 and, subsequently, bombing to contain terrorism in Afghanistan has also resulted in killings of a large number of people, including women and children. We are also witness of war on Iraq and also of subsequent killings by suicide squads.

Thousands have been killed or maimed. Use of depleted uranium dust on missiles heads will have devastating affect not only on the victims but also on future generations. Stockpiling of a large number of nuclear armaments, chemical and biological weapons and degradation of ecology and environment have created a situation in which future of children is not safe. Children world over are living in appalling conditions. If huge resources spent on armaments are consecrated to their welfare, the world will become a place worth living.

In such world scenario, spirit of the provisions of Article 51 as enshrined in the Constitution of India, acts as a beacon and reflects an earnest desire for maintenance of world peace and security by avoiding conflicts and wars in the interest of entire human race. Although the said Article 51 is one of the ‘directive principles of the state policy’ and cannot be interpreted as implying a mandate to create a new world order, but the development of science, technology, transport and communication and developed information technology, expansion of international trade and commerce have brought the world together as a ‘global village’ and hence all these developments call for a new world order which is possible only by maintenance of world peace and security as envisaged in Article 51 of the Constitution of India.

The present problems of the world, like huge stock-pile of nuclear arms, capable of devastating the entire world several times, dangers of low and high intensity wars among nations, terrorism (including cross-border terrorism), boundary-disputes, ethnic disputes, economic and political problems, environmental degradation, pollution, problems of disputes based on religions, etc, which affect the entire humanity, can be solved only by a rationale view and awareness, taking into account enormity of the present situations and by creating an impartial world body, with enough powers to implement its directives, decisions or law. The said Article 51 gives a new vision and such provisions should not only be adopted by all nations in their respective constitutions but every nation must adhere to those provisions, in spirit and action, in dealings with other countries.

From ancient times Indian philosophy and vision seeks to bring humankind to the path of peace, cooperation, co-existence, non-violence, human dignity and human advancement and believes in universality of mankind as one human family (Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam). The provisions of Article 51 of the Constitution of India embodies an affirmation of that philosophy and ideals. The promotion of international peace and security as a constitutional directive is a declaration made by the people of India not only to the Indian society but indeed to all people of the world. For, every declaration affecting international life and International relations is a declaration made to all mankind.

The vision given by Article 51of the Constitution of India for international peace and security also enjoins us all in its clause© to strive for fostering ‘respect for international law’. But one can have respect for international law if it is based on justice and equality, is enacted by a duly constituted world body having universal sanction and is enforceable on all peoples and nation states. The present ‘so called’ international law has no universal sanction and is not enforceable and, therefore, it has proved to be inadequate in-as-much as it has not been able to solve problems. The result has been that big and powerful nations, by bombings and imposing sanctions, have only brought misery, hunger, disease and poverty to more people and problems remain unsolved and sometimes aggravated.

Thus, it is obvious that the provisions of Article 51 of the Constitution of India is a unique provision propounding a great Indian philosophy and which creates an awareness and acts as a beacon for international peace and security. It can serve as a guideline for framing international law based on justice, equality, co-existence and human dignity in this strife-torn world for the ultimate objective of human advancement. Therefore, Article 51 of the Constitution of India is the reference point of the conference and emphasis has been given to its clause© which enjoins the state ‘to foster respect for international law’. It also follows that international or world law has to have universal sanction, be applicable to all countries and peoples of the world and must be enforceable. In order to enforce obedience to such law there has to be an executive authority and world judiciary to decide disputes and for interpretation of such laws. “Laws not enforced cease to be laws and rights not defended wither away” (Thomas Moriarty).

Today, people all over the world, particularly the children are deeply perturbed and fear for their future. Most people are mortally afraid that the enormous nuclear stockpile of nearly 36,000 warheads, assembled by the seven nuclear countries, will one day end all life on our planet either in a deliberate war or by accident. The United Nations has proved utterly incapable of stopping this suicidal arms race. Before the UN came into existence, there was only one country i.e. USA which had the Atom Bomb (a toy bomb in comparison to the Nuclear Bomb). Today, we have seven countries with about 35,990 nuclear warheads (see details below):

1. United States has 12,070 nuclear bombs capable of reaching all over the world

2. Russia has 22,500 nuclear bombs with range of 11,000 kms

3. France has 500 nuclear bombs with range of 5,300 kms

4. China has 450 nuclear bombswith range of 11,000 kms

5. Great Britain has 380 nuclear bombswith range of 12,000 kms

6. India has 65 nuclear bombs with range of 2,500 kms

7. Pakistan has 25 nuclear bombs with range of 1,500 kms

Total - 35,990 Nuclear Bombs

In addition, about 80 countries have developed and stockpiled deadly chemical and biological weapons. No country has the technical know-how nor enough money to destroy these weapons of mass destruction. According to experts twenty times more money and technology will be required to destroy a bomb than was used in its manufacture and just one percent of the existing nuclear stockpile is sufficient to obliterate all life on earth.

Also, Gil Eliot has calculated that about 110 million people have perished in man-made deaths during the first 70 years of the 20th century which includes 38 million soldiers. It means that one out of every 30 inhabitants on earth was killed through government criminality.

It is thus clear that there is an urgent need to redeem humanity from its present condition. It is also equally clear that only 'a new international political and economic order' can eliminate this huge nuclear stockpiles. It is in this context that Article 51 of the Constitution of India, specially clause ©, assumes paramount importance.

A RAY OF HOPE FOR SAVING THE WORLD:

The provisions enshrined in Article 51 of the Indian Constitution is a beacon and provide a ray of hope for saving the world from the impending nuclear and environmental catastrophe. Only a legally constituted 'World Parliament' with the power to enact international laws that apply to all countries of the world as well as to all individuals, can provide the much-desired peace and security to the people of the world.

SAFEGUARDING THE CHILDREN'S FUTURE:

In 1999, CMS students collected nearly 100,000 signatures of the citizens of Lucknow on an appeal on behalf of children of the world, requesting the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Dr Kofi A. Annan, to safeguard the future of world's children by initiating steps to form a World Government capable of ensuring world peace, eliminating all weapons of mass destruction, protecting the people from international terrorism and conserving the ecology and environment. The appeal also drew the attention of the Secretary General to Article 51 of the Indian Constitution and urged him to request all governments to add a similar provision in their respective constitutions. This appeal was personally presented on behalf of the children of the world, by the undersigned at the Millennium Forum meeting held at the United Nations headquarters in New York from 22nd to 26th May, 2000.

LETTER TO CMS FROM DR. KOFI A. ANNAN SECRETARY GENERAL, UNO:

In his reply to CMS, the Secretary General Dr Kofi A. Annan expressed helplessness of the United Nations. He said that "People all over the world look to the United Nations to protect them - from hunger, disease, violence, and natural disasters - whenever the task seems too big for nations, or regions, to handle alone. But we at the United Nations can do nothing alone, either. Our strength is the strength of our member states, when they agree to act together for the common good. Next year, leaders from all over the world will come to New York for the Millennium Summit. They will consider the challenges ahead, and what the United Nations can do to face them. Those leaders will be representing you, the peoples of the United Nations. It is up to you to make sure that they come here firmly resolved to take decisions which can lead to a better life for all of us, and for our children ... and I am counting on you all."

FAILURE OF MILLENNIUM SUMMIT IN ITS PURPOSE:

Unfortunately, in the final analysis the Millennium Summit failed to come to any concrete conclusion and the participating leaders did not discuss the most vital and crucial item on the Summit's agenda, namely the formation of a new international political and economic order. Most of the leaders only spoke on the issues that concerned their own individual countries and were silent on the most important issue of them all namely the formation of a "new international political and economic order".

SURRENDERING A PART OF SOVEREIGNTY TO SAVE EXISTENCE OF MANKIND:

Admittedly, for this to happen countries will have to surrender a part of their sovereignty, but then the choice before us is State sovereignty versus the existence of mankind. It pointed out that the time has come, for all the right-minded individuals of the world to make a sincere endeavor for propagating the spirit of Article 51 of Indian Constitution.
http://worldparliament-gov.org/events/13th-international-conference-of-chief-justices-of-the-world-on-article-51-of-the-constitution-of-india/

UNESCO seems to be supporting this heavily, but hey, they are on the same page as UNESCO has brought to you the Earth Charter

UNESCO Earth Charter
http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/TLSF/theme_a/mod02/img/earthcharter.pdf


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - CharliePrime - 12-11-2012

The push for a World Government is really taking off. In the past people would ridicule you as a nut for saying World Government was in the works. Now it's becoming fashionable among the "progressive" hipsters to lobby for it.

The Elites funded the communist movement because this is what they have wanted for over a hundred years.

Now the Pope is getting in on it...

http://www.theglobalistreport.com/vatican-world-government-new-world-order/

Quote:In a speech made at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace on Monday December 3 2012, the Pope called for the “construction of a world community, with a corresponding authority,” to serve the “common good of the human family”.

The pope was quoted as saying:

"The proposed body (World Government) would not be a superpower, concentrated in the hands of a few, which would dominate all peoples, exploiting the weakest."

...which like all government statements, means the exact OPPOSITE of what it says.

"The proposed body (World Government) would be a superpower, concentrated in the hands of a few, which would dominate all peoples, exploiting the weakest."


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - macfadden - 12-12-2012

(12-11-2012, 09:58 PM)SiLVa Wrote: What do you think they are going to do? Do you think they're going to tell you its a tyrannical dictatorship style world government?

Yes, they will tell everyone exactly that by how they intend to structure the government and the legal framework they plan to erect in order to establish the system. The devil is in the details and being the savvy son of a bitch that I am, I would insist on a full disclosure and careful analysis before I gave consent.

(12-11-2012, 09:58 PM)SiLVa Wrote: No thanks re: World Government. I dont give a flying fuck how good they paint it or dress it up. Its still going to suck for all the regular people.
Of course not. They'll use great buzz words like social justice, equality, democracy...just like they do now. I think we all know better than to believe that bullshit.

Which is why you ignore the empty rhetoric and just skip to reading the fine print, they can't just sneak a government on you unless you are some kind of a king stooge or something, some kind of a soft touch mark, some kind of a chump, some kind of a lamb to the slaughter, some kind of a prize pigeon.

(12-11-2012, 09:58 PM)SiLVa Wrote: And you said that you dont believe in divine law or natural law yet you believe that their can be a system of "world law" that is valid and justified? No way am I buying into that nonsense.

Noway José , SiLVa's momma didn't raise no fool.










RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - SiLVa - 12-12-2012

(12-12-2012, 12:05 AM)macfadden Wrote: Yes, they will tell everyone exactly that by how they intend to structure the government and the legal framework they plan to erect in order to establish the system. The devil is in the details and being the savvy son of a bitch that I am, I would insist on a full disclosure and careful analysis before I gave consent.

Ok its even more obvious that you dont seem to understand how these things really happen in the real world. The establishment has always and will always roll out changes in policy without telling everyone a damn thing. They have and always will implement tyrannical laws and regulations not giving a shit about "legal frameworks".
Whether or not you give YOUR consent means nothing to them. If you intend to work, raise kids, eat and live in their global system, you will comply or you will rot in a jail or worse.

(12-12-2012, 12:05 AM)macfadden Wrote: Which is why you ignore the empty rhetoric and just skip to reading the fine print, they can't just sneak a government on you unless you are some kind of a king stooge or something, some kind of a soft touch mark, some kind of a chump, some kind of a lamb to the slaughter, some kind of a prize pigeon.
Empty rhetoric is all they do. And its not whether they sneak it on us or not- once its a world governing body, do you think it matters to them whether they need to sneak anything or not? They will implement it and you will either comply or you wont, in which case you will be labeled a terrorist, a criminal, an insurgent, or whatever name they can come up with that sounds bad they will use it. Not much different then it is right now, eh? It wont be any better with a world government. Besides...just who do you think will implement this benevolent world government that you seem to believe is possible?

Those videos of the FUKN NEWZ guy are funny and all but full of bullshit and innacurate red herring nonsense. As if Haliburton only gets paid from contracts it works out with the U.S. government - bullshit!
Halliburton isnt even based in the U.S. anymore! Just because someone isnt a globalist does not mean they are a nationalist. And just because a company like Haliburton made a lot of money with the U.S. doesnt mean they wont contract out to other governments, including a world government. Matter of fact, the military industrial complex will benefit and profit most handily from a world governing body with plenty of "problems" to address worldwide. SOFEX and other military defense expos are proof enough to show you how they can, will and do work together.


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - macfadden - 12-13-2012

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: just who do you think will implement this benevolent world government that you seem to believe is possible?

World government is an unavoidable inescapable necessity that will inevitably coalesce over the next few decades. Without question there will be a world government, the only real question is whether that government will be a participatory democracy or an undemocratic technocracy.

There are many groups which oppose neo-liberal globalization and are fighting for a new international order of law and justice in a more integrated world.

Quote:The term "globalization" has been appropriated by the powerful to refer to a specific form of international economic integration, one based on investor rights, with the interests of people incidental. That is why the business press, in its more honest moments, refers to the "free trade agreements" as "free investment agreements" (Wall St. Journal). Accordingly, advocates of other forms of globalization are described as "anti-globalization"; and some, unfortunately, even accept this term, though it is a term of propaganda that should be dismissed with ridicule. No sane person is opposed to globalization, that is, international integration. Surely not the left and the workers movements, which were founded on the principle of international solidarity—that is, globalization in a form that attends to the rights of people, not private power systems. - Noam Chomsky



RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - FastTadpole - 12-13-2012

Hard to go pro-globalist with this crowd as every plan that the so called 'elite' has been barbed with spin on the negatives, which there are almost exclusive in pretty much every document - leaked and public alike.

We're left with a no-brainer when it comes to their way but there could be a way where there is a Universally Preferable Behaviour or Natural Law to conform to.

My fellow ConCeners and I speak to the evolution of humanity in a more pragmatic sense in this related discussion thread, which started off pretty strong but has veered off kilter into more of a debate than a discussion lately.

Individualism vs Collectivism, The True Debate of Our Time (IMG INT)
http://concen.org/forum/thread-35103.html

I fathom that we can thrive in any system, more or less, given that people are vigilant and ruled by an underlying set of common morality with a "do not steal" attitude as a primary credo.

Globalization is an inevitability, but global law can manifest in many forms and systems. I would far prefer to retain the local identity, and thus the values of each tribe, in order to have humanity thrive not as a straight line but more organically as a tree expressing itself in every twist and turn imaginable, learning from eachother but taking care in nurturing its roots as we all need them to exist, to co-exist and fuel our development as both individuals and as a collective species.


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - macfadden - 12-13-2012

(12-13-2012, 09:08 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Hard to go pro-globalist with this crowd as every plan that the so called 'elite' has been barbed with spin on the negatives, which there are almost exclusive in pretty much every document - leaked and public alike. We're left with a no-brainer when it comes to their way but there could be a way where there is a Universally Preferable Behaviour or Natural Law to conform to.

The last thing the elitist globalists want is a global government, what they are after is global governance. The globalists want all of the benefits with none of the accountability, this is achieved through metagovernance and network governance.

There is no law for the globalists and the transnationals, it's a wild west bonanza of global piracy.

"Governance is not government — it is the framework of rules, institutions, and practices that set limits on the behavior of individuals, organizations and companies." (U.N. Human Development Report, 1999, page 34.)

""Global governance is here, here to stay, and, driven by economic and environmental globalization, global governance will inevitably expand." Gustave Speth (former member of Clinton's Transition team and Executive Director of UN Development Program)


I don't recall that I have said — and I don't think that I really feel — that we need a world government. We need governments of the world that work together and collaborate. But, I can't imagine that there would be any likelihood — or even that it would be desirable — to have a single government elected by the people of the world.
David Rockefeller In an interview with Benjamin Fulford (13 November 2007)






(12-13-2012, 09:08 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Globalization is an inevitability, but global law can manifest in many forms and systems. I would far prefer to retain the local identity, and thus the values of each tribe, in order to have humanity thrive not as a straight line but more organically as a tree expressing itself in every twist and turn imaginable, learning from eachother but taking care in nurturing its roots as we all need them to exist, to co-exist and fuel our development as both individuals and as a collective species.

I agree but I think a global government would protect local identity where the global governance of global corporatism is bent on standardizing and homogenizing all peoples, cultures, and societies.

Counter-hegemonic globalization

Cosmopolitan democracy

Democratic globalization

Democratic World Federalists

Coalition for Democratic World Government

Democratic mundialization


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - CharliePrime - 12-13-2012

(12-13-2012, 11:21 AM)macfadden Wrote: The last thing the elitist globalists want is a global government, what they are after is global governance.

What is the difference between Global Government and Global Governance?


RE: Enforcable World Government Primary Topic of Globalist Chief Justices' Meeting - macfadden - 12-18-2012

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote:
(12-12-2012, 12:05 AM)macfadden Wrote: Yes, they will tell everyone exactly that by how they intend to structure the government and the legal framework they plan to erect in order to establish the system. The devil is in the details and being the savvy son of a bitch that I am, I would insist on a full disclosure and careful analysis before I gave consent.

Ok its even more obvious that you dont seem to understand how these things really happen in the real world. The establishment has always and will always roll out changes in policy without telling everyone a damn thing. They have and always will implement tyrannical laws and regulations not giving a shit about "legal frameworks".
Whether or not you give YOUR consent means nothing to them. If you intend to work, raise kids, eat and live in their global system, you will comply or you will rot in a jail or worse.

Total nonsense, you don't "understand how these things really happen in the real world". All these treaties, trade agreements, and unions are nothing more than legal contracts, people agree to enter into these conventions, like nafta or the EU, but they never bother to read the fine print, it's all duly instituted and it's all legal.

Quote:The Treaties of the European Union are a set of international treaties between the European Union (EU) member states which sets out the EU's constitutional basis. They establish the various EU institutions together with their remit, procedures and objectives. The EU can only act within the competences granted to it through these treaties and amendment to the treaties requires the agreement and ratification (according to their national procedures) of every single signatory.

There are two core functional treaties that lay out how the EU operates and a number of satellite treaties which are interconnected with them. The treaties have been repeatedly amended by other treaties over the 60 years since they first began. The modern amended versions are known as the "consolidated treaties".


If they could just do whatever the hell they want, and you believe they want world government, then why aren't we living under a world government right now?

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote:
(12-12-2012, 12:05 AM)macfadden Wrote: Which is why you ignore the empty rhetoric and just skip to reading the fine print, they can't just sneak a government on you unless you are some kind of a king stooge or something, some kind of a soft touch mark, some kind of a chump, some kind of a lamb to the slaughter, some kind of a prize pigeon.

Empty rhetoric is all they do.

I guess that's all they do if you don't count the drafting and ratification of extremely complex legally binding international treaties and trade contracts that formally create the bodies of regional and global governance that all have a very meticulously defined procedure and purview.

Quote:A treaty is an express agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organizations. A treaty may also be known as an (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention or exchange of letters, among other terms. Regardless of terminology, all of these forms of agreements are, under international law, equally considered treaties and the rules are the same.

Treaties can be loosely compared to contracts: both are means of willing parties assuming obligations among themselves, and a party to either that fails to live up to their obligations can be held liable under international law.

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: And its not whether they sneak it on us or not- once its a world governing body, do you think it matters to them whether they need to sneak anything or not? They will implement it and you will either comply or you wont, in which case you will be labeled a terrorist, a criminal, an insurgent, or whatever name they can come up with that sounds bad they will use it.

Again, that would all depend on the form and structure of government adopted by the world.

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Not much different then it is right now, eh? It wont be any better with a world government.

That would be very different than it is right now, that does not happen routinely in any western democracy and it has never been done to anyone that wasn't involved in some kind of violent extremist terrorist activities. You have some kind of weird persecution delusion and you are spoiled rotten, you don't have the first inkling about actual real political persecution or state oppression, get real.

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: As if Haliburton only gets paid from contracts it works out with the U.S. government - bullshit!

I think that was Conspiracy Clown's entire point, that companies like Haliburton are global entities that operate free of any national laws and they have run amok as a consequence. Conspiracy Clown's point was that there is no enforcement agency with a global jurisdiction capable of prosecuting these rogue criminal transnationals and it would be nice if there was such an agency.


(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Halliburton isnt even based in the U.S. anymore!

Hence the need for a global government.

(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Just because someone isnt a globalist does not mean they are a nationalist.

OK, now you're talking about the Free Market Goldists, I agree, a person doesn't have to be a nationalist to be a loon.


(12-12-2012, 05:44 PM)SiLVa Wrote: And just because a company like Haliburton made a lot of money with the U.S. doesnt mean they wont contract out to other governments, including a world government. Matter of fact, the military industrial complex will benefit and profit most handily from a world governing body with plenty of "problems" to address worldwide.

A democratic constitutional republican government is more than capable of breaking the iron triangles, taking the profit out of war, and wresting control of its military from private interests. And despite what Ron Paul told you, military intervention and military policing and conflict resolution are not inherently evil. It all depends on who is directing the military and for what purposes.