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Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - Printable Version
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Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - RaFTertheONE - 11-03-2012

There have been a ton of chemtrails here of late. How bad have chemtrails been where you live? Maybe it's because of the election?


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - Anarchist - 11-03-2012

Yes, lots of chemtrails. I am not the only one in my area to notice it.


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - April - 11-04-2012

Yes. We've had heavier then average trails for the last week here in north west Indiana.

Can't really say it's that out of the ordinary though...


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - RaFTertheONE - 11-08-2012

I hate Chemtrails sooo MUCH!!! This has been the worse spraying during the daytime I have seen in years. Maybe I'll post a few images. Makes me so mad because how in the world can people miss this!?! A few years ago, it was really bad, where I would see like 16 lines in the sky at once, and 6 jets in the sky. And I don't even live in a big city! There would be crossing lines, chemtrails that would spread out, and some that would be falling down. Too bad I didn't get any pictures then. For the last couple of years, the spraying has been done mostly at night. When it was done in the day, it would be when it was really cloudy and it would be done over the clouds so you couldn't see it. Now the whole sky is cloudy, because of chemtrails, which a lot of times it was before, yet not like this. How can't people see it? Medication? I just don't understand how someone can't notice this.


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - macfadden - 11-12-2012

chemtrails are an interwebz conspiracy myth - no such thing as "chemtrails"

jazzroc will back me up

http://jazzroc.wordpress.com/


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - icosaface - 11-12-2012

If you want to stay blind, go hang out with razzjoc and don't come back here.



RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - Easy Skanking - 11-12-2012

JR is an old fool as has been shown on this forum many, many times. By supporting his views, you also become a fool. Byebye


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - macfadden - 11-13-2012

(11-12-2012, 11:45 PM)Easy Skanking Wrote: JR is an old fool as has been shown on this forum many, many times. By supporting his views, you also become a fool. Byebye


I don't know what his views are on other issues but his view of "chemtrails" is spot on. BTW, I am not simply supporting his view, what I am doing is endorsing his argument against "chemtrails", its methods and logic, and I am concurring with his conclusions, and I am doing this only after a thorough scrutiny and rigourous analysis of his material. I've conducted my own lengthy investigation into "chemtrails" and I have found that there is just simply no credible evidence to support the theory. I am not casually dismissing the theory out of hand as a dogmatic pseudo-skeptic, I am saying that after much thought and careful consideration of all the claims and all the evidence, that I remain unconvinced for a number of good reasons and find the theory highly implausible and extremely incredible.


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - ToddTraf - 11-13-2012

(11-13-2012, 07:29 AM)macfadden Wrote: I've conducted my own lengthy investigation into "chemtrails" and I have found that there is just simply no credible evidence to support the theory.

I'm on board with the idea that every contrail isn't a chemtrail. But the fact that Governments like US, China and Russia all have formally admitted to using or developing chemtrail and weather modification techniques should make you rethink your position.


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - Easy Skanking - 11-13-2012

(11-13-2012, 07:29 AM)macfadden Wrote: I don't know what his views are on other issues but his view of "chemtrails" is spot on. BTW, I am not simply supporting his view, what I am doing is endorsing his argument against "chemtrails", its methods and logic, and I am concurring with his conclusions, and I am doing this only after a thorough scrutiny and rigourous analysis of his material. I've conducted my own lengthy investigation into "chemtrails" and I have found that there is just simply no credible evidence to support the theory. I am not casually dismissing the theory out of hand as a dogmatic pseudo-skeptic, I am saying that after much thought and careful consideration of all the claims and all the evidence, that I remain unconvinced for a number of good reasons and find the theory highly implausible and extremely incredible.

Pull your head out of JR's ass and do your own research. As Todd mentioned, governments have ADMITTED using chemtrails.
Or, if you are on the same payroll as JR, then stick your head back up there. LOL


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - mexika - 11-14-2012

chemtrails have been heavy lately? whats up with this. there was one day when they did not spray, I think it was independence day....hahah...


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - macfadden - 11-14-2012

(11-13-2012, 09:40 PM)Easy Skanking Wrote: As Todd mentioned, governments have ADMITTED using chemtrails.

Can Todd, or anyone else for that matter, provide a link to the government admissions or produce any kind of proof at all for "chemtrails''?


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - Easy Skanking - 11-14-2012

Germany becomes the First Country to admit Clandestine Chemtrails Operations: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7232

US Government Bill Refers to Chemtrails HR 2977: http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/BWMD/us_government_plans_chemtrails_h.htm

CONGRESSMAN ACKNOWLEDGES CHEMTRAILS: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/congressman_admits_chemtrails.htm

Flashback: Dangerous Aerosols Sprayed From Planes Over Unwitting Public Admitted To By UK Guardian in 2002, ITV Program in 2004 & BBC Program In 2006: http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/flashback-dangerous-aerosols-sprayed-from-planes-over-unwitting-public-admitted-to-by-uk-guardian-in-2002-itv-program-in-2004-bbc-program-in-2006/

Swedish official admits toxic ‘chemtrails’ are real, not a wild conspiracy theory: https://aworldchaos.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/swedish-official-admits-toxic-chemtrails-are-real-not-a-wild-conspiracy-theory/

Scientists Admit Chemtrails Are Creating Artificial Clouds: http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientists-admit-chemtrails-are-creating-artificial-clouds.html

Air Force Pilot Admits Spraying Chemtrails: https://chemtrailsinourskies.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/air-force-pilot-admits-spraying-chemtrails/

China admits to dumping chemtrails for weather modification: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread710466/pg1

China Leads Weather Control Race: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11/china-leads-wea/

China's 'weather modification' works like magic: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/01/china-cloud-seeding-parade


RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - macfadden - 11-14-2012

(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Germany becomes the First Country to admit Clandestine Chemtrails Operations: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7232

Quote:Germans have admitted on television that they are spraying "chemtrails"

The following German tv report apparently states that the Germans have been spraying chemical trails (chemtrails) http://youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K_As

What we have here is a poor German to English translation. In the video, the word duppel is translated to "chemical trail". Duppel really translates to "chaff"[23]. Once we understand that the report is talking about chaff, the claim no longer holds any water.

"Chaff- Chaff, originally called Window by the British and Düppel by the World War 2 era German Luftwaffe is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminum.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/#ze_germans

(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: US Government Bill Refers to Chemtrails HR 2977: http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/BWMD/us_government_plans_chemtrails_h.htm


CONGRESSMAN ACKNOWLEDGES CHEMTRAILS: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/congressman_admits_chemtrails.htm
Quote:Kucinich wrote the Space Preservation Act HR 2977 which specifically banned chemtrails

This bill was actually written by UFO enthusiasts. The bill's goal was to:

Nullify a vast conspiracy by the "military-industrial complex"
Allow the use of suppressed alien technology for free energy
Avoid accidentally shooting down (or scaring away) visiting aliens

Some of the banned weapons and technologies the bill included were[22]:

electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;
chemtrails;
high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;
plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;
laser weapons systems;
strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and
chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons

So what does Dennis Kucinich have to do with all of this? Well it seems that he didn't read the bill before endorsing it. When he eventually did, he had the bill re-written. Unfortunately for him, the newly written bill never passed and was dropped entirely in 2002. Later when asked about this particular bill:

I'm not into that. Understand me. When I found out that was in there, I said, 'Look, I'm not interested in going there.

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/#hr2977

http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/


(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Flashback: Dangerous Aerosols Sprayed From Planes Over Unwitting Public Admitted To By UK Guardian in 2002, ITV Program in 2004 & BBC Program In 2006: http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/flashback-dangerous-aerosols-sprayed-from-planes-over-unwitting-public-admitted-to-by-uk-guardian-in-2002-itv-program-in-2004-bbc-program-in-2006/

Quote:The UK admits to spraying their citizens

Britain has recently released information on a series of secret biological warfare experiments conducted from 1940-1979. The research was being done to find out the British population's vulnerability to certain pathogens, in case the Russians were to release clouds of deadly germs over the country. Most of these experiments consisted of germ-like substitutes which had very little health risks.[15]

"In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless."

But of course that is what they would like you to believe... Several families have come forward and insisted that their child's birth defects were from these experiments. The Ministry of Defense notes that the most affected would be elderly people or people with respiratory problems. Birth defects would be unlikely, but still possible.

"In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms."

Sue Ellison, who worked for Porton Down, said:

'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Do any of these tests resemble the chemtrail phenomenon? To be more specific, did they "spray" any of these agents from altitudes of 30,000 feet? This is what conspiracy theorists would like you to believe but that claim is a bit misleading. Let's look at the different studies and compare them to the characteristic "chemtrails".

"The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour."

This overview doesn't give us specific information on how high the planes flew, but if they wanted to see the effects on the population, they were probably spraying the bacteria close to the ground. And where does it say that these planes left behind chemical trails? It say that the particles were fluorescent and drifted inland but what does this have to do with the persistent contrail phenomenon?

"between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius."

These "sprays" all came from a military ship. That's right. You know that smoke exiting ship's exhaust pipe? It's "Chemsmoke". (Hope I don't create another monster...)

"The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol."

"Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall."

So these tests released bacteria into buildings. My guess is that if the UK or any other country was spraying bacteria from planes, it would all be invisible to the naked eye. I don't see any reason for it to be colored, or to stay in the air in contrail-like bands. So this assertion 'that since the UK did it we did' is just pure speculation. If the government did secret biological spray experiments, the chemtrail phenomenon and its adherents would be no help in investigation because it has nothing to do with the tests that we know have already been done in the UK. If the "chemtrailers" were serious researchers, they would come out with a good scientific study and submit their findings to a peer reviewed journal. Like mentioned before, it would be illogical to spray at altitudes of 30,000 ft, and we know that persistent contrails have been around since the invention of jets.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/#uk_spray


(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Swedish official admits toxic ‘chemtrails’ are real, not a wild conspiracy theory: https://aworldchaos.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/swedish-official-admits-toxic-chemtrails-are-real-not-a-wild-conspiracy-theory/

She is not an official anything, she's not admitting anything because she can't make an admission because she isn't involved and has no first hand knowledge of anything, she isn't an official, she isn't an insider. All this women has done is make a wild accusation that she cannot in any way support or substantiate.

Quote:http://metabunk.org/threads/791-Swedish-Politician-Pernilla-Hagberg-raises-quot-chemtrail-quot-issue-in-parliament/page2

So who is this Pernilla Hagberg anyway? Can't see that name on the Swedish Green party's site http://www.mp.se/templates/Mct_177.aspx?number=209399, and why does she have an @yahoo.com address and not an @mp.se?
You have a point there. It has been very common for chemtrails folk to exagerrate their qualifications. I do find her mentioned as a "Leader", not sure of the translation, but the word in Swedish is "Gruppledare".
see:
http://www.mp.se/templates/Mct_177.aspx?number=237035

google translates "Member of Parliament" as "riksdagsledamot".

She is probably just a local leader, not an MP.

Maybe the title "group leader" is equivalent to precinct committee chairman, a volunteer working mainly on voter registration and get out the vote. In the first 11 pages of a google search, I didn't find any other references to her than the chemtrails remarks. The green party in Sweden only has 25 members of parliement.

I'm seeing this story pop up on a lot of chemtrail facebook pages under the headline "Swedish official admits chemtrails are real" or similar. The articles usually then go on to describe her as the Swedish Green Party leader. I've been pointing out the errors but no one seems to be taking any notice, I just get blocked from more and more pages.

She's doing well for herself. If Google translate has it right she's now a Swedish MEP!
Uhm, no.

The Google translation may be correct, but the source (Kopp Verlag) is a notorious company which offers hardly anything but bunk:
http://psiram.com/ge/index.php/Kopp_Verlag
(German)

The page you linked quotes the Swedish paper "Katrineholms-Kuriren". In the original article there is no hint of her being a MEP:
http://kkuriren.se/nyheter/katrineholm/1.1556640

On a profile page with source links, her status is member of city council of "Vingåker":
http://valpejl.se/politiker/14766/Pernilla_Hagberg

Vingåker had a population of 4282 in 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vingåker

Not exactly earth-shattering.

I asked the poster if they'd checked who Pernilla was and surprisingly the answer came back no. Still, makes a change from all the other articles listing her as the Swedish Green Party Leader.


Quote:"A Green party leader addresses Parliament" this is not the case and one has to wonder why this is being reported. This woman does not have the backing of her Party as she is NOT the leader, she has NOT spoken about this in Parliament

After discussions with people in Sweden and with Pernilla via a third person, it is clear that she is a Green party member who is a leader on the County Council. This would be the equivalent of a Green councillor in UK, whos job is within the local council and not in Parlaiment, this has now been proven by the lady

Pernilla Hagberg I will try to sort this out. I am the group leader of the local Mp party in the town Vingåker, and I´m not inthe parlament, witch I am very happy for, because otherwise I would never have been able to talk to the newspaper, and from my position I can influence much more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cx9IZgR6lzw


(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Scientists Admit Chemtrails Are Creating Artificial Clouds: http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientists-admit-chemtrails-are-creating-artificial-clouds.html

The scientist referenced in the article did not admit "Chemtrails Are Creating Artificial Clouds". This is nothing more than Alex Jones agitprop nonsense that is completely without substance. Here's the article that Paul Joseph Watson is shamefully distorting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1289893/Attack-vapours--jet-trails-block-sunshine.html

(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Air Force Pilot Admits Spraying Chemtrails: https://chemtrailsinourskies.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/air-force-pilot-admits-spraying-chemtrails/

I read the article and there is no Air Force pilot on record admitting anything. As far as I can tell the article is an advert for collodial silver as remedy for morgellons disease, it's a fear mongering tactic to hoc snake-oil.



(11-14-2012, 07:59 AM)Easy Skanking Wrote: China admits to dumping chemtrails for weather modification: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread710466/pg1

China Leads Weather Control Race: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11/china-leads-wea/

China's 'weather modification' works like magic: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/01/china-cloud-seeding-parade

All of those articles are referring to cloud seeding, I suppose you could term that "chemtrails" but that would be completely disingenuous because we all know that they're not the same.



Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
The largest cloud seeding system in the world is that of the People's Republic of China, which believes that it increases the amount of rain over several increasingly arid regions, including its capital city, Beijing, by firing silver iodide rockets into the sky where rain is desired. There is even political strife caused by neighboring regions which accuse each other of "stealing rain" using cloud seeding. About 24 countries currently practice weather modification operationally[citation needed]. China used cloud seeding in Beijing just before the 2008 Olympic Games in order to clear the air of pollution, but there are disputes regarding the Chinese claims. In February 2009, China also blasted iodide sticks over Beijing to artificially induce snowfall after four months of drought, and blasted iodide sticks over other areas of northern China to increase snowfall. The snowfall in Beijing lasted for approximately three days and led to the closure of 12 main roads around Beijing.[30] At the end of October 2009 Beijing claimed it had its earliest snowfall since 1987 due to cloud seeding.



RE: Chemtrails increase in your area of late? - April - 11-14-2012

(11-14-2012, 10:04 AM)macfadden Wrote: All of those articles are referring to cloud seeding, I suppose you could term that "chemtrails" but that would be completely disingenuous because we all know that they're not the same.

? semantics ?

and not the same ???
chemical elements are used to seed clouds !
silver iodide, aluminum, barium, strontium...

Chemtrails don't "exist", because it's not the official technical term dubbed by our overlords.

Maybe conspiracy researchers should stop using this word, and refer to the "technical term" which is cloud seeding...