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NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive' - Easy Skanking - 02-16-2008

It's a little old, but it's very relevant. I think the statement made is an accurate definition of what NASA's duties are. Unfortunately, the sheep are told to think that it is "naive". Baaaaaaa Hop on the bandwagon...conform...baaaaa...consume...baaaaa...do what you're told...baaaa.

Quote:NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive'

By Andrea Thompson, LiveScience Staff Writer

posted: 31 May 2007 01:35 pm ET

NASA sought today to deflect criticism its chief received following skeptical comments he made on the topic of the agency's role in global warming research.

During an interview Wednesday with NPR, NASA Administrator Michael Griffin expressed doubts that global warming was an issue that humans could or should address.

In a telephone interview today, NASA spokesman David Mould told LiveScience that climate is an important issue about which the agency provides a significant quantity of data, and that it will continue to provide that data, but that NASA's job is not to make policies or advise on policies.

Along the same lines, NASA clarified Griffin's remarks in a press release issued late Wednesday:

"NASA is the world's preeminent organization in the study of Earth and the conditions that contribute to climate change and global warming. The agency is responsible for collecting data that is used by the science community and policy makers as part of an ongoing discussion regarding our planet's evolving systems. It is NASA's responsibility to collect, analyze and release information. It is not NASA's mission to make policy regarding possible climate change mitigation strategies. As I stated in the NPR interview, we are proud of our role and I believe we do it well."

Griffin's comments to NPR's Morning Edition included: “I have no doubt that global—that a trend of global warming exists. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that is a problem we must wrestle with.”

He further stated that it is wrong for mankind to say what climate conditions are best for the planet.

“To assume that [global warming] is a problem is to assume that the state of the Earth’s climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure it doesn’t change,” he said. “First of all, I don’t think it’s within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown.”

“Second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings—where and when—are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we might have right here today, right now, is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that’s a rather arrogant position for people to take.”

Anthony Kreindler, a spokesman for Environmental Defense, an environmental rights organization, today agreed in part with NASA's clarification: “It’s not within NASA’s responsibility to make policy,” he said.

But he disagreed with Griffin’s earlier remarks.

“To suggest that we can’t do anything to fix the climate change problem is a direct [refutation of recent IPCC findings],” he told LiveScience. “I think it’s just ignoring the scientific consensus.”

Mould disputes this interpretation of Griffin’s remarks.

“I don’t think that’s what he said at all,” he said.

Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist with NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies responded via email to a request from LiveScience to comment on the NASA chief's remarks to NPR: “Griffin's comments seem surprisingly naive. We are not in a situation where we are shopping around for an ideal climate, but that we have adapted to the climate we have, and that therefore large changes to it are not likely to be beneficial.”
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NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive' - rsol - 02-29-2008

reading those comments... he does sound nieve..


NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive' - jonnydangerous - 02-29-2008

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Quote: “First of all, I don’t think it’s within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown.”

Anthony Kreindler, a spokesman for Environmental Defense, an environmental rights organization [ ] disagreed with Griffin’s remarks:

“To suggest that we can’t do anything to fix the climate change problem is a direct [refutation of recent IPCC findings],” he told LiveScience. “I think it’s just ignoring the scientific consensus.”

I wouldn't trust the IPCC as far as I could throw a lead hippopotamus, NASA aren't exactly kept in the dark as to what's going on (imo). Do you think it possible this might be the first statement subtly put out there in the mass media to begin "acclimatising" (pun intended) the general public to the proposition that we are facing a situation that humanity has nix control over ? That's how I read between the lines on this anyway.. 2c3ntivos


I wouldnt trust any of these snake worshipping bastards! NASA's job is to lie, and the IPCC is controlled by the SAME POWER STRUCTURE. At least the NASA chief was honest enough to tell the sheep the truth of their situation. None of the "green" organizations have the funding nor technology capable of creating the change required in reversing the damage to our atmosphere, however the governments do. But remember the government's are too busy playing with their weather machines to care. This article is a war of words as far as I can see. Everyone on both sides are busy TALKING and not DOING. The tech exists to recreate massive amounts of Ozone and pump it back into the areas needed. It has nothing to do with buying a hybrid car or taking the bus to the grocery store to "spare the air", thats just slick advertising, lol.


NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive' - Guest - 02-29-2008

I agree that they are full of "hot air" as the saying goes but there's debate that the focus on 'holes' in the ozone layer is a straw man in itself i.e why only over the poles and not heavily industrialised/urbanised areas? I'm not saying I subscribe to that but it's out there...

My own meaning was that perhaps the change in climate is not only "man-made" but perhaps now starting to be more widely discussed within the scientific community as being due to greater cosmological changes - whereas before the idea was taboo as it detracted from the singular focus apon CO2 emissions.

A cosmological change which, of course, if a reality, we have no influence over whatsoever in terms of effecting any change. Although as rsol has previously pointed out, this in itself, could well be a ruse by oil companies.

The idea that the entire solar system is undergoing rapid change is pretty stark :blink:


NASA Chief's Global Warming Remarks Called 'Naive' - icosaface - 02-29-2008

The reasons why the holes appear over the poles is the air circulation patterns within each hemisphere, at least this is still the official story.
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/ozonehole.html

But I recall reading numerous stories (this century)about the Eskimos not being able to find their way in the wintertime because the wind patterns had
changed completely from what they had been for hundreds of years. They used to be able to tell directions by looking at the ridges made in the snow by the wind.