Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
[split] Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
05-30-2012, 03:35 AM,
#16
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
this poll solves nothing
Reply
05-31-2012, 06:58 AM,
#17
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
Cant see how this poll is going to solve the problem.
Yeti has already said he wants to go with the unlimited so seems like the poll is just to establish whether the funds will appear to support this decision. Judging by the responses that doesnt seem likely as most of the supporters qualify this by saying they also dont have the cash to do it.
As no other options are being considered that seems to take us back to square one.

I have contributed in the past (and would consider doing so again) but dont now as it has been made clear on a number of occasions that the site is not a democracy when decisions are being taken and if we dont like how it is, then we should either take the abuse doled out by the owner, or go elsewhere, so I think "ok just get on with it then but dont expect me to subsidise your toy".

Even the admins struggle to justify the macho approach and seem to work on a damage limitation / lets try to smooth it over model.

You cant have it both ways Yeti, if you want people to have ownership and contribute then you have to change tack with how you respond to legitimate criticism and ideas which are maybe not your own preferred ones. And no Im not saying that you should embrace every idea proposed, but there are enough techies on this site to provide just as valid technical expertise as yourself - I dont know if you are good, bad or indifferent at what you do, but I do know that there are other ways to do things which arent being considered at present.

In the UK we call this "painting yourself into a corner" and becoming so entrenched that you cant allow change in case you lose face.

If you need evidence of the above, just look at eg the wiki. Im sure you put a lot of work into setting this up because it seemed a good idea to you, but without really asking anyone. Result - no one uses it and so its just sitting there.
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-01-2012, 08:24 AM,
#18
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
(05-31-2012, 06:58 AM)Swordfish Wrote: Yeti has already said he wants to go with the unlimited

He clearly voted for $150.00 per month 1TB capped, with no server seeding or FTP !

Quote:Judging by the responses that doesnt seem likely as most of the supporters qualify this by saying they also dont have the cash to do it.

Actually, it's a near tied vote… and every night when I've checked in… the votes for trying out $220 a month, have been winning.

Quote:I have contributed in the past (and would consider doing so again)

me too… either way though.

Quote:decisions are being taken and if we dont like how it is, then we should either take the abuse doled out by the owner, or go elsewhere, so I think "ok just get on with it then but dont expect me to subsidise your toy".

Abuse? How have you been hurt or cruelly treated ? What do you not like about the way "ConCen" is ? ? ?

ConCen is not yeti's toy… and no part of me feels like yeti treats ConCen this way!

Quote:In the UK we call this "painting yourself into a corner" and becoming so entrenched that you cant allow change in case you lose face.

Why do you think yeti doesn't constantly think about what's best for concen ? I ask this because I know he does…

Quote:If you need evidence of the above, just look at eg the wiki. Im sure you put a lot of work into setting this up because it seemed a good idea to you, but without really asking anyone. Result - no one uses it and so its just sitting there.

No… the wiki was talked about much in the past. Do a search on it here. There's been lots of discussion over it in the mod box (where the mods chat.) Dunamis, was ready to dive in to this project…. and due to outside circumstances, has needed to take an important leave of absence.

We got thrown a curve ball and we've already rolled with the punches… why not just keep moving forward ? Moving forward appears like it will work out from my perspective… If doing so proves to be impossible, I'm sure again we'll roll with the punches with an alternative path or voyage that will again, pull through. I put no faith in bills breaking up this band… and the votes seem to concur.
This vote and the decision will solve a lot, and we'll adapt again if it doesn't. Yeti puts his blood sweat and tears into this place constantly. I don't have any reason to believe that he wouldn't adjust or revamp the minor issues to keep up the major ones, like the reasons we're all here in the first place.

No worries ConCen… this too shall work out. [Image: happy0062.gif]

Reply
06-01-2012, 07:40 PM,
#19
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
from April
Quote:Abuse? How have you been hurt or cruelly treated ?
I havent personally been "hurt" as Im a big boy and can give as good as I get if I choose to, but if you dont think being called a "whining girl" an "asshole" etc and being on the receiving end of the other rather neanderthal, macho limited vocabulary is abuse then I guess you may have a point.
Comments have been made many times that abuse from the "owner" would never be tolerated from other members.

from April
Quote:He clearly voted for $150.00 per month 1TB capped, with no server seeding or FTP !

Can you direct us to exactly where this statement/vote is as below are some quotes directly from Yeti which say something opposite to that:

Quote:The fact is that it is possible to keep the existing plan, but I would have to basically shut down any seeding from the server. Many of you have benefitted from the server's seeding by seeing huge throughput on new an popular torrents.

You may recall (and can see the thread) that this started a conversation about why it was necessary to seed from the server and which Yeti went to great lengths to defend so he clearly does NOT see "no server seeding" as an option. This was the crux of how he and Epinnoia got into their dick waving exercise.

Quote:YOU seem to think this site is only a tracker. This site is more than the tracker. It also hosts FTP and a forum as well as a wiki. It has its own mail server too. Without a data cap we could serve a lot more data, don't you think?

That looks to me like a vote for unlimited. And if those quotes arent clear:

Quote:3Z has assured me they will change nothing to the routing of my server when I switch to unmetered, so your concerns are unjustified"

NOTE: It says WHEN not IF which seems to suggest a decision already made to me.

The fact is that if Yeti WAS prepared to not seed in the current way, there wouldnt even be a need for the vote (as there would be sufficient bandwidth), there wouldnt have been an argument, Epinnoia wouldnt have been banned, and we would all be sleeping easy in our beds happy knowing that concen was looking after the world and its problems as always!
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-01-2012, 10:18 PM,
#20
RE: [split] Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
frank is a sensible writer. listen up to the chap.
When i download i also seed thats the way it is. If everyone does this and the emphasis be on sharing, through external links and to those who visit the tracker anyway, i dont see why it shouldnt work. However actually seeding and then sharing within the hour is by far the best way, and then the web will be teaming with the mighty info that needs to get out. Stop seeing money as the obstacle everyone.
Reply
06-02-2012, 03:01 PM,
#21
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
Swordfish wrote:
Quote:I have contributed in the past (and would consider doing so again) but dont now as it has been made clear on a number of occasions that the site is not a democracy when decisions are being taken and if we dont like how it is, then we should either take the abuse doled out by the owner, or go elsewhere, so I think "ok just get on with it then but dont expect me to subsidise your toy".

Even the admins struggle to justify the macho approach and seem to work on a damage limitation / lets try to smooth it over model.

You say you have contributed in the past, what have you contributed?

Are you saying that your suggestions should be implimented forthwith because you somehow know that most of the members think you are right regardless of what the poll results are.

You imply that the poll is irrelevant and that most of those voting for unmetered have no money. How do you know that most of them have no money?

You say you won't contribute anymore because yeti won't do what you and Epinnoia wanted to be done. What specifically have you contributed?

You say that the mods try to "justify the macho approach" as well as using the smoothing over method of conflict resolution. In other words us mods have no balls.
It looks to me like you object to funds, which you didn't donate, being spent on performance improving options of which you don't approve of. The members who have donated funds have not echoed your concerns. I hear you saying that you know that most members think that what you think is right is right.

Everybody is out of step except for Swordfish and Epinnoia.

yeti tends to this site every day, he is the head gardener "inch by inch row by row we're going to make this garden grow", he chants this every day as he stomps through the data structures. You can see the fruits of his labors where ever you look around this here site. What is it that you are trying to plant here Swordfish?

I have to go and play with my guitar now because I am feeling strung out.



An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
Reply
06-02-2012, 10:23 PM,
#22
[split] $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?

@ xiando http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=45780&pid=243061#pid243061
Reply
06-03-2012, 03:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-03-2012, 03:33 PM by Swordfish.)
#23
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
@icosoface
Quote:You say you have contributed in the past, what have you contributed?
None of your business, and just in case you wondered - it was under other forum names and not recently.

Quote:Are you saying that your suggestions should be implimented forthwith because you somehow know that most of the members think you are right regardless of what the poll results are.
No Im not. Re read my post - if its not clear I am making the observation that most of the posts on this poll are suggesting OTHER alternatives than the false (ie selective) choice being offerred. Its no different than a political election. ie you are presented with a false choice as the actual alternative choices are not even listed, just the 2.

Quote:You imply that the poll is irrelevant and that most of those voting for unmetered have no money. How do you know that most of them have no money?
Because of the supporters in the thread (I reckon there are about 4 at most out of 30 plus posts) said those very words - take a look. I dont say they have no money, they do.
And the poll IS irrelevant if (as April says) that Yeti supports the current plan with no seeding etc. It was opposition to this that started this discussion - please keep up Icon_biggrin

Quote:You say you won't contribute anymore because yeti won't do what you and Epinnoia wanted to be done. What specifically have you contributed?
No I didnt say that. I wrote (and please put your glasses on and reread "I have contributed in the past (and would consider doing so again)".
And do not associate me with Epinnoia - I dont know him or anything about him - I speak for myself only as I always do.
What I have contributed is none of your business, its not relevant to the discussion, and is an attempt to divert attention away from the discussion.

Quote: In other words us mods have no balls.
Your words not mine.

Quote:It looks to me like you object to funds, which you didn't donate, being spent on performance improving options of which you don't approve of. The members who have donated funds have not echoed your concerns. I hear you saying that you know that most members think that what you think is right is right.

I think if you own a site and want to spend your own and others money on it you are free to do so in anyway you like - just dont be selective when the bills come in and then put ownership on others, or devise a poll which does not include the full picture of alternatives.
What I actually object to is statements like you have made "[i]The members who have donated funds have not echoed your concerns[/i]" when you have whole threads of comments saying the opposite. I also dont claim that members think I am right - my claim is that any member who offers resistance or an alternative is shouted down, "assholed", banned or (as you have attempted do do in the quote below) use the rather obvious divide and rule / isolation technique. It didnt work by the way... Lets take an example: "Everybody is out of step..." I could equally argue that of 45,009 members, only 53 give a shit to pay more.

Quote:Everybody is out of step except for Swordfish and Epinnoia.

Quote:yeti tends to this site every day, he is the head gardener "inch by inch row by row we're going to make this garden grow"...What is it that you are trying to plant here Swordfish?
Nice metaphor of the friendly gardnerLOL Thanks for making my day. [Image: Guerilla-Gardening-2-No-that-would-be-Go...90x300.jpg]
Icon_biggrin
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-04-2012, 07:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-04-2012, 07:51 AM by Swordfish.)
#24
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
On a technical point, shouldnt a poll be time limited to have any value?

Ive never heard of any election or similar poll which just asked for a decision but didnt give a closing date.

Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-04-2012, 06:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-04-2012, 07:06 PM by Swordfish.)
#25
[split] $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
On a technical point, shouldnt a poll be time limited to have any value?

Ive never heard of any election or similar poll which just asked for a decision but didnt give a closing date.

This seems a legitimate comment on this thread and which is asking a reasonable question - not sure why it was sidelined to "fists of fury"?See the evidence

Are we being censored now on concen?Huh
I always thought the idea of a forum was to share ideas and ask questions.....
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-04-2012, 07:27 PM,
#26
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
(06-04-2012, 06:54 PM)Swordfish Wrote: On a technical point, shouldnt a poll be time limited to have any value?

Ive never heard of any election or similar poll which just asked for a decision but didnt give a closing date.

A member is actively trying to have concen shut down and your worried about how long we keep a open voting poll up ?

Poll numbers are still rising. Not every contributing member comes here every day. We're just trying to include as many folks as possible by being patient.

Reply
06-04-2012, 08:28 PM,
#27
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
Im not worried at all about this April - Im just making a comment on a forum.
btw If Epinnoia was going to shut it down he would have done it by now dont you think - hes just messing with the management thats all.
Keep calm and carry on...Icon_biggrin

But its a legitimate question about the poll otherwise how do you know what the result is? Leave it a couple of months? Wait until the next bill? Its like a race with no finish line at present
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-04-2012, 10:30 PM,
#28
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
(06-04-2012, 08:28 PM)Swordfish Wrote: btw If Epinnoia was going to shut it down he would have done it by now dont you think - hes just messing with the management thats all.

The guy tried to shut the place down by sending emails to 3Z and PayPal claiming I violated their service agreements:
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=45862
That's a lot more than "just messing with the management", isn't it?

BTW, your claim that this poll is a sham because I already decided to go for unmetered doesn't match reality considering I voted against the unmetered plan.

You really like to twist reality around to suit your agenda, don't you troll?
[Image: randquote.png]
Reply
06-05-2012, 08:24 AM,
#29
RE: [split] Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
No he just wanted you to think he was going to shut the place down because of your "interaction" which didnt end well. Hes an IT specialist - how difficult is it to pretend to have sent something without actually doing it? Even I can do that.
Has anyone even been in touch about this? No! If they had the account would be suspended which Im guessing it hasnt as you havent announced it.


And if you voted against the unmetered then why are you having a poll in the first place? Wasnt that your idea to hold it as you DIDNT want to stop seeding from the server (NOTE: this is based on a number of direct quotes from you - see post 20 on this thread). And as its your site, its your decision (your words not mine) as to what happens on the site.

Wasnt there an argument with your arch enemy in which you resisted this very suggestion, or is it that you have just changed your mind because it makes sense but wont admit to it.
If you want the metered plan then whats the problem - just do it - why do you need a (non time limited) poll?

I dont need to twist reality, I can make my case just copying and pasting quotes on the forum

And I didnt say the poll was a sham, i said quote
Quote:Cant see how this poll is going to solve the problem
so whos twisting reality now.

I see you are pointing the "troll" finger at me now because I am making posts - is this why only about 20 or so members ever make a post on the forum I wonder.
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
Reply
06-05-2012, 11:29 PM,
#30
RE: [split] Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: No he just wanted you to think he was going to shut the place down because of your "interaction" which didnt end well.

When someone libels me publicly on a site I run, it never ends well.

He said he did it to me and to the members of cybersage.net. IMO and others, that's bad enough. It would be irresponsible at that point for me to assume he didn't do it.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: Hes an IT specialist - how difficult is it to pretend to have sent something without actually doing it? Even I can do that.

It's possible that he forged the email headers, but I have to accept the possibility that he didn't. Since you're claiming that he didn't send them, what evidence do you base that on?

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: Has anyone even been in touch about this? No! If they had the account would be suspended which Im guessing it hasnt as you havent announced it.

You seem so sure that I would be contacted by either PayPal or 3Z just because someone complained. This is a false assumption, something you seem to do constantly.

FYI someone else requested 3Z to have a site I was hosting removed because he claimed a copyright violation (which was true - he was the author of the web pages). I never heard a word from 3Z about it. They sent him an email response back stating that without a court order they will do nothing. The only reason I got a copy of the email was because he CC'd me by accident. BTW I complied with the request and had the owners of the domain rebuild the site themselves.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: And if you voted against the unmetered then why are you having a poll in the first place?

What a stupid question. I can't believe I'm wasting my time on your trolling.

I posted the poll because I want to know the members' opinions on whether or not to commit to spending more per month.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: Wasnt that your idea to hold it as you DIDNT want to stop seeding from the server

I didn't want to have to pay extra to seed from the server, and up until niggling little shits like you and Epinnoia reminded me how much I hate donating my time to provide info for the members only to have it thrown back in my face, I was willing to continue finding and launching torrents from the server.

No more. I'm done, unless there is no metering simply because it's not worth my time micromanaging torrents, especially when ordered to by ungrateful whining little fucks with nothing better to do than shit on people who are donating their time for free.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: (NOTE: this is based on a number of direct quotes from you - see post 20 on this thread).

I saw your quotes but they are out of context and irrelevant because I voted against the increase. You're flogging a dead horse. Your assumption has been proven to be incorrect again but you stubbornly refuse to admit it, a trait you share with your good buddy Epinnoia.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: And as its your site, its your decision (your words not mine) as to what happens on the site.

I understand why someone like you twists my words around to use as an insult because that's a troll's M.O.

The simple fact is that whether a decision is made by me or not, ultimately I am the one who has to implement it. Trolls like you love to twist that around to try and claim that I'm a dictator.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: Wasnt there an argument with your arch enemy

My arch enemy? You mean he's not your arch enemy? He tried to blackmail me into unbanning him by threatening to shut the place down. This makes him the most notorious arch enemy this site has ever had!

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: in which you resisted this very suggestion, or is it that you have just changed your mind because it makes sense but wont admit to it.

Again with the trolling insult assumptions! The answer is neither.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: If you want the metered plan then whats the problem - just do it - why do you need a (non time limited) poll?

Because I want to know what the members want.

I'm glad the fact that the poll doesn't have a time limit bothers you. I want you to be as bothered as I am by you and your trolling. I'm warning you though, if you keep it up my patience will run out.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: I dont need to twist reality, I can make my case just copying and pasting quotes on the forum

Why am I not surprised that you would not admit your problem?

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: And I didnt say the poll was a sham, i said quote
Quote:Cant see how this poll is going to solve the problem

I didn't say you said it was a sham, I said you claimed it was a sham. I used a perfectly apt word to describe your words, called a synonym.

It is obvious to anyone with a basic grasp of English that you think this poll is a sham. Therefore I stand by my words. Go ahead and nitpick a little more as another excuse to whine, troll.

[quote='Swordfish' pid='243899' dateline='1338881068']so whos twisting reality now.


You. Constantly. You are a troll who's trying to bust my balls for whatever reason, certainly not for the good of this site.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: I see you are pointing the "troll" finger at me now because I am making posts

LOL

You just claimed I'm calling you a troll because you post! What an absurd statement! Does your reality distortion field allow you to see how stupid that makes you look?

You are a troll because you make shit up and fling it at people. Throughout this entire exchange you have not made a single positive statement. It's been whining and lying and assumptions designed purely to insult.

(06-05-2012, 08:24 AM)Swordfish Wrote: is this why only about 20 or so members ever make a post on the forum I wonder.

Wow. I guess your reality distortion field prevents you from seeing the stats that completely contradict you, because that would deny you another insult.

BTW, you claim you made a financial contribution in the past, yet you refuse to say how much or under what name because it's none of our business. I find this very strange. If what you say is true, then you would be the first person in ConCen history I'm aware of who refuses to prove they donated. Since you have demonstrated repeatedly that you are of dubious character, and are unwilling to provide evidence that you actually have donated, I'm going to assume that you haven't. I welcome any evidence which may prove my assumption incorrect.

At this point I will remind the members that you have a shit ratio (you leech off others' bandwidth), you have never uploaded a torrent, and there is no evidence that you ever donated. Therefore you really should ditch your sense of entitlement and claim that you speak for members who actually do contribute to this site.

  1. Are you as miserable in real life as you seem to be here?
  2. If you really care about ConCen, instead of trolling the SysOp, why not do something positive?
  3. If you think my poll is flawed, why not post one of your own?
  4. If you see how the site can be improved, why not post a suggestion instead of a lot of whining accusations?
[Image: randquote.png]
Reply


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  [split] Marines' 'Poster Boy' for Suicide Prevention Kills Self JFK 6 1,287 03-10-2013, 01:51 AM
Last Post: macfadden
  [split] Slavery macfadden 39 2,509 02-13-2013, 07:08 AM
Last Post: macfadden
  [split] "Mob rule" is the answer macfadden 57 3,461 01-21-2013, 02:29 AM
Last Post: macfadden
Exclamation [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges Epinnoia 141 21,127 11-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Last Post: poopoopoogoo
  [split] Jimmy Savile BBC Paedophile Sex Ring - IMG INT Negentropic 17 4,800 10-28-2012, 07:36 AM
Last Post: geogaddi00
  [split] Your signature means your Luciferian! overcomer 12 2,567 11-24-2011, 07:08 AM
Last Post: Antisthenes
  concen is pretty dead sekular 6 1,457 06-06-2011, 01:36 AM
Last Post: Mike_Smith
  [Off topic split] Four Corners - The Forgotten Man Castiel 5 1,581 04-03-2011, 12:26 AM
Last Post: Dunamis
  [Flamer split] Linking climate change to the Japan quake/tsunami Melchor 39 9,018 04-02-2011, 01:36 AM
Last Post: ^v^hooters ex
  [split] DNA Evolutions Death Knell Mami 0 723 02-12-2011, 03:13 AM
Last Post: Mami

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)