The Music Industry’s New Extortion Scheme

[markko]

Hey guys.. After you download this please seed! I'd like to see it too. Thanks!

[TeslaandLyne]

I see the thread continues.

I know that a DVD rip gives you a set of files of one directory, folder, and the copy onto
a DVD disk will give you a playable DVD.

I made tapes and not much I can do with them.

I need a cup of coffee and hope to see if these rips are the same "Big Bangs" content
as I start the torrent.
These were UK programs and thus computer files are the best way to go.

I could bring the tapes to some one with a tape to DVD capability... a project I will consider.

In growing up one day as I sit on the rug at home. Was I too small to sit in grown up chairs?
My brother played Chopin and I liked all the piano classics he did and actually wondered
if I would hear anything better. I didn't. Live music, sitting real close and by the masters is
a long journey back to the beginning.

ED: trying this one now
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1176741
This is working;
http://www.mininova.org/tor/550582

[psilocybin]

Zerror, in line with what you are talking about with perfectly tempered instruments. The piano, if tuned exactly mathematically correct, sounds like absolute shit. People that tune pianos collapse the fifths a tiny bit every octave they go up. It's quite interesting.

One thing I do have to say with music is that the temperament is the least important thing in my mind. I think the ideas are what makes music special. I am a Jazz drummer and a senseless improvisation junkie. If I couldn't go out and just play with people, I would probably quit music. I did the classical clarinet thing for a while and I just put it down. It's much too monotonous just playing pieces. Now, meeting up with people and indulging our souls in the moment, that is fun.

I've read a lot about the tempered scale being unnatural, especially in regards to staying in a key center for a really long time.

Another interesting idea I've read about is rhythm and naturalness. I forget the source exactly, but it was an essay on duple rhythms vs triple rhythms and how the heart beats in a pattern of three and all these subdivisions of 4 and 2 completely contrast our natural biorhythms. People equate the swing in jazz as being something that was pushing against these duple rhythms. I find thins especially interesting, because when I move to music, even if it is in four, I'll usually feel it in my core polyrhythmically as three, ie three over four.

With all this said, I have such a good time playing music and make a decent living too, so I'm not going to change everything up just because of these intellectualizations.

[humbug]

no intellectualizations here, just simplification. as as drummer psilocybin is obviously not a victim of the circle of Vs, not directly at least. a harmonious system would allow for many a freedom and virtually obliterate the complex game manual called music theory. alone this shift of would make music more accessible. then again ancient knowledge was the first to be obscured once conquered by the crazy checkerboard tricksters placing it in the golden cage of bondage. all fair and square.

people that tune pianos are quite remarkable in a way, i am having quite the time doing mine.

do and re are just two quints away....

math from music, not music from math
math from music, not music from math
math from music, not music from math

[alibasho]

It's nice to see how the topic improved to this point of view...


I think too that the "concerts" or "live" acts can be the keys to open a solution in the music business. but...

I'm a musician too playing in a private chamber orchestra where 22 people gather and (theoricly) try to understand each other (<-- there are a lot to talk about that too.. maybe next time) and play a peace lets say bach's kunst der fuge. the problem is we need a lot of money to make live concerts!... I dont exactly know how it works in the states but here in Greece the tickets for chamber orch. concerts are between 6-20 €.. even if the hall gets full it doesnt compansate the expenses. Ok there are companies and banks as sponsors but actually they hate for that beacuse its the most expensive way of advertisement for them...
anyway I dont know...

The thing is I bought 3 or 4 cds since 5 years but i got 15gb of flac inside my HD.

I saw the other day a post about how can "ISP based tax" work (the tax will not be applied directly on consumers, but on ISPs !!! And ISps will simply charge more customers using, say, aver 3Gb of bandwidth usage, because it’s way enough for regular internet usage.)

That means nothing but "the-african-whose-hands-full-of-cd's-down-the-road" for a lot of people.



So what to do?



PS.

Quote:" Modern Music is one of the chief destroyers of our once decent culture. "

What?? Why? because it doesnt give you the serotonin or whatever enough?


PSS Madonna is just a celeb. with balls

[markko]

Culture is our operating system, the core in our behaviour and actions. Music is a part of that culture.
Because of that, music has way more power over our lifes as it seems at the first glance. I'd be very careful of what I listen. I never touch any pop, rap or stuff like that, for obvious reasons.

The other thing is we should stop consuming the culture, but create it. Play an instrument, improvise, compose, create. DO NOT listen. DO NOT follow.

Quote:" Modern Music is one of the chief destroyers of our once decent culture. "

I agree.
Turn on MTV and watch it for 10 minutes. I don't need to say any other thing here.

[alibasho]

Hmm... When he said " Modern Music " what came to my mind was composers such as Schnittke or Penderecki or Ligeti...

They can be quite disturbing too actually... have you ever listened Penderecki's "threnody for the victims of hiroshima" : no single relaxing tone!

[markko]

Culture is shaped by the music majority listens to, not minority. To see the effect of modern music on society, we should study the music most people listen to, and that's MTV.;)

[TeslaandLyne]

We may have to do it an Illuminati way by passing a law.

A relative studied art, this was years back, and was enthusiastic about some
agreement that all new buildings in the city were to have art work.

I can't fully give all the details but it sounded like the old WPA that put artists
to work on their projects.

A private chamber orchestra can't open for the Stones, but proceeds might be
set aside.

The private chamber orchestra are usually play in some large estate or
academic location not too frequented by the fanatical fans of rock music.

ED: Getting into music a few years back and hopefully return soon, I did
venture into music theory.. compared with what artists did.... and found
they did what sounded right.
In tuning a guitar to open G, only a few frets are chords when the slide
is used.

[fjaneson]

I certainly didn't mean to condemn anyone who is composing/performing in the field of traditional music.

I am angry with the simian reptile brained noise that as marko points out can be found by the ton on MTV.

Remember 'Music soothes the savage beast' implies music might just be able to do the reverse as well.


God bless anyone who plays chamber music.

[humbug]

of course, as expected musicians, especially "experts" or "professionals" are sensitive to this type of thinking. sometimes its hard to face the facts. alas imo the most genius conspiracy EVER, since it touches us all, the fundament of all conspiracies. rather than bashing the rothschilds, the mtv, the jesuits, the zionists, the the and the strokes, forcefully trying to find the culprit, it would be high time to deal with the root of all this evil. by doing so even all the dodgy characters with their authority and influence would gradually start to fade away.

the problem not being people, but more the general way of mind, as seen on tv.

to get back to the original topic. hence,

imo labels are not the problem, if they would be working FOR the artists instead of using them as unwitting pawns for their game of chess. even a "band" out to promote itself can be defined a label. but then again with a decent base to build a culture upon there would be no need for public relation stuntmen in the first place.

tuning up....

Quote:Penderecki's "threnody for the victims of hiroshima"

another good example of pretentious western good intentioness.

Quote:Ligeti.

hahahaha.

Quote:What?? Why? because it doesnt give you the serotonin or whatever enough?

no, "confused noise", it gives me a headache. i killed one of my potplants with 2 : 2pow(7/12) last year. microbeat it to death

[stanteau]

I'm horribly late and probably won't be around for followups and such, but what do people want out of the labels? Just to drop $100,000 on producing the album, $200,000 advertising it, and however much money to actually print up and ship it all out and stuff and then not expect ANYTHING back? Back in the day (i.e. 1910-1955) all live artists belonged to unions that guaranteed you'd get paid from live shows (and guaranteed hefty performance fees at that, no "here's some beer and a $20"), ensured your equipment, etc. but guess what? Too many scabs (i.e. the rock gods we all love to death) were willing to play for less so that they wouldn't have to pay union dues and the clubs loved it for obvious reasons, and 60 years later here we are.

For what it's worth (which is nothing) the artist fucked up the business, and now the labels are GOING to get their money no matter what, we just fucked it up so there's no more money left for us.

And I've said it 50 times here it goes again, in 1999 NSync's album set the record for highest selling album in a single week with 2.1 million CD's sold, last year Alicia Keys hit the mark with 65,000 sold in one week. That 2.1 million sale helped pay for all the acts that never make money, watch Dig!, the say it right in there, "90% of records don't make money but the label can support it because that 1 album sold millions" well now NO ONE BUYS MUSIC, you can't get blood from a rock. Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers, all our favorite "alternative/rebellious/against the grain/whatever" bands owe everything they have to big music industry, Loser doesn't wind up on MTV 500 times a day for nothing, they spent MONEY on these bands, isn't it right that Beck pays back that money to the label?

If an album doesn't sell labels are out money, so they lay people off, sometimes it's big name CEO's, BUT sometimes it's receptionists and factory workers, you and me.

The label system is dead, now we have to find a new way to keep everyone happy, make money, and provide means for mainstream exposure.

Call me a cocksucker, but I don't want to live in the "Myspace band of the week" world of basement cuts, I like my gajillion dollar super-polished world of favorite bands (that's a fuckin joke nowadays) and a room full of professional writers hanging over the "artist's" back to make it THAT MUCH better.

peace.

[markko]

Quote:Call me a cocksucker, but I don't want to live in the "Myspace band of the week" world of basement cuts, I like my gajillion dollar super-polished world of favorite bands (that's a fuckin joke nowadays) and a room full of professional writers hanging over the "artist's" back to make it THAT MUCH better.

Cocksucker:)(that's a joke, so there won't be any misunderstandings)
I want to live in a world where everyone starts producing art and stops consuming it. If that means "Myspace band of the week", fine. If there are other means, even better.
And let me tell you what I don't want. I don't want to live in a world where one cocksucking bitch like Britney Spears moans about her idiotic problems, adventures and her "exciting" life to millions of listeners in her lyrics. And in a world where people are actually dumb enough to listen to that crap.

Let me repeat, don't consume art, create art! Don't be passive, participate and be active. Think with your own head, produce your own music, don't follow like sheep, follow your own ideas.

[stanteau]

[quote name='marko' date='Apr 30 2008, 06:07 PM' post='136710']

Quote:And let me tell you what I don't want. I don't want to live in a world where one cocksucking bitch like Britney Spears moans about her idiotic problems, adventures and her "exciting" life to millions of listeners in her lyrics. And in a world where people are actually dumb enough to listen to that crap.

But what if someone wants to hear it? What's the difference between what she does and say "Hurt" by NIN or "Under the Bridge" by Red Hot Chili Peppers? If there is a fan, how can you judge it and say it should not be available?

Here's what it comes down to, there will be no national acts. National acts are formed out of corporations. Everyone harps about Radiohead's "free" album (which is now in stores but whatever) and how "they did it!" and "proved a label doesn't have to be involved!" but WHOOPS! They've been in the system for some 10+ years now and have benefited greatly from the millions upon millions in advertising and payola labels have spent on them.

You take away the labels you take away the national acts, 40,000 seat arenas go empty while the bars and open mics surge (theoretically, this is all speculation), I'm not going to pass judgement on that type of society but I remember high school when I had FAVORITE BANDS! Bought EVERY album, had T-shirts, went to EVERY concert within 6 hours, that is dead, period. People's fuckin Myspace's have 5,000 bands, people know the gimmick songs, have 20,000 albums downloaded and listen to maybe 2 songs off each, and noone spends a motherfuckin penny on their favorite band than get bummed that the road ate them alive.

My digital music teacher has a "wall of shame" of all the statistics of the money being sucked out of the industry by thieves. As we stand, some 40-50% of Americans under 18 have NEVER BOUGHT AN ALBUM, in store of online, PERIOD! Why? You know why.

You wanna see the industry die? Fine, everyone's doing a great job, but don't be surprised when the "industry" becomes a sea of nobody's with kids and 40 hour factory jobs playing for beer and getting stranded at a Denny's because gas is $12 a gallon.

I'm sure most here have seen Dig! You know how if you root for the bad guy the movie's perspective changes? Try and root for the industry guys, it's sad.

"Labels spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on bands like the Dandy Warholes and the make ridiculous videos no one wants to watch."

Or just imagine being TVT Records and have Anton just completely fuck the album like that after spending all the cash to BUILD HIM A FUCKIN STUDIO! Should he not have to return on that deal?

And BTW, Anton revolted against the system his whole life and he is fuckin washed up.