The History of YHWH the Demon God

[charlieweird]

Anarchist
WHile you obviously put alot of research and time into this I think you need to reexamine some of your own research material - I would have typed a lengthy response pointing out what my problems were with your address here but Tim eloquently put most of my concerns into his response - thanks Tim...!!!
I can understand your passion toward the subject - I have studied religous and biblical/extrabiblical history extensively... and one can come to some odd conclusions if they are not careful... but take what you wrote - put the misquotes... and quotes that are (mis)representing the quoted author in context.... and suddenly the mountain of truth begins to crumble away as suppositions are built upon (wrongly attributed or improperly understood) suppositions ...
Whats that bible verse...?
For precept must be built upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little?
Anyhow - I AM glad this interests you - its important stuff and not current enough to fascinate most.... however if you wanna know where your going to - you must know where your coming from.... I find that its often important to approach these topics not from the standpoint of defending your current belief systems - but to take everything as you find it - compile it and see what it represents whem viewed objectively and as a whole...
Cheers
Charliewired

[fujiinn]

(07-04-2012 08:43 PM)Anarchist Wrote:  Sounds like someone just watched Zeitgeist and believed everything it said. The trinity is fake, El does not mean "G*d" (why people put an astrik over the o I do not know, please explain that), but power. [...] Do some research on Zeitgeist, and see what you find. I know there was a guy, if I find his site or video I will edit this post, he is offering a $5000 cash reward for anyone who can verify the claims of Zeitgeist.

I don't know about the $5000 prize but I know about Chris White's $1000 challenge here: http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

G*d as far as I know is used as a form of respect: http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

[Watchdog]

IMO the Bible is a programming tool for the masses and the "god" found in them pages is definetly not benevolent. I'm sure we can find positive examples, but the negative ones are sufficient to understand the dangers of using such literature to build religions. This also helps to understand the behavior of those base their actions on religious texts. They somehow feel justified, be it conscious or not.

I got these examples of the internet:

" It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself.

Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice."

[Anarchist]

Chalieweird:

I try to keep an open mind and research as much as I can. I am not a part of any establish religion, as religions are designed to control the masses. I made this thread for two reasons, the first being what I knew at the time to help compile my thoughts (I have learned more since, although quite a bit of this still remains the same to me) and the second was for Christians in particular, who do not know that their brand of Christianity is not following with Scripture. A topic I hinted on was who the Hebrews are, but there are plenty out there to explain the Ashkenazi and Khazars. When you study who the real Hebrews are, Scripture seems less confusing. 2 Esdras 13, specifically v. 40-45 tell of the northern ten tribes leaving via the Euphrates to a land uninhabited, presumably what we call the Americas. This is why after Babylonian captivity, we hear nothing in Scripture of the other ten tribes really. After 70 AD and the Roman invasion, the remaining two tribes and the few of other tribes left fled into the wilderness, or Africa. There is a book called From Babylon to Timbuktu that is a good read. It seems the remaining tribes were then captivated on the north of Africa and sold into slavery.

Deuteronomy 28:68

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Egypt is bondage, so a land of bondage. They shall not see Israel again (so these people there cannot be the people of Scripture). Buy means redeem, so they shall not be redeemed as a people.

Of course, I am getting off topic, and I digress. As I said, I wanted some Christians to hopefully see that their religion, as they have been sold, does not even follow Scripture (Hardline, you reading?). It was a great little project, I may have to do another some time soon with more info and updated quotes. In retrospect, the quotes may have been taken out of context. I am just surprised this thread was dug up, I assumed it died to the archives, in a dark corner of our dark corner of the 'net.

Watchdog:

The commandment is Thou shall not MURDER, to murder is to kill unjustly. You can argue for the 70,000 after David ordered the census, but as from the cities, from what I find, the reason behind this was due to the seed of Nephilim.

Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Have you read the books of Enoch? They make for an interesting read and further elaborate on these "giants". As far as the sheep and oxen, I have no idea as to why they were skilled as well. I was reading an interesting theory that it was because they were select bred or something which made them more or less unpure, and not as effective, and so it was ordered to protect the cattle they had?

As for 2 Kings 10:18-27.

Quote:18 And Jehu gathered all the people together, and said unto them, Ahab served Baal a little; but Jehu shall serve him much.

19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtilty, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal.

20 And Jehu said, Proclaim a solemn assembly for Baal. And they proclaimed it.

21 And Jehu sent through all Israel: and all the worshippers of Baal came, so that there was not a man left that came not. And they came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal was full from one end to another.

22 And he said unto him that was over the vestry, Bring forth vestments for all the worshippers of Baal. And he brought them forth vestments.

23 And Jehu went, and Jehonadab the son of Rechab, into the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers of Baal, Search, and look that there be here with you none of the servants of the Lord, but the worshippers of Baal only.

24 And when they went in to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings, Jehu appointed fourscore men without, and said, If any of the men whom I have brought into your hands escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him.

25 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of offering the burnt offering, that Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, and slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal.

26 And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them.

27 And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day.

It seems to me they killed them because they worshiped Ba'al, who was likened to be Satan himself, the chief deity of the Cana'anites. "Thou shall have no other gods before Me?"

Now, slavery in the sense most argue is a bit of a folly, as it can be likened much more to working a job today. A more appropriate word is servitude, and one would go into it voluntarily. They did have people they enslaves, though. I just say this to illustrate when it mentions servitude, that does not necessarily means slavery, but there are cases of it.

Judges 11:29-40 is a bit of a stretch, take this part from v. 33 for example:
"Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel."
I take it that we did not see 6 year old Israelites killing 6 year old Ammonites. By children it seems to mean descendent. Correct me if you think I am wrong here. As for Isaiah 13, try reading the whole thing. It seems to talk abou the day of wrath and what shall happen to Babylon in the end days, not just going around dicing up children like tomatoes.

Quote:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

In the end, it is talking about the end days and the pain Babylon will suffer, not at the current time Isaiah was alive, not even our current time.

Hosea seems to be talking of the punishment that would fall upon Samaria, not necessarily killing children. Now Psalms, you could have an argument there.

Matthew 19 seems to me to be talking about putting away wives, not castrating yourself to enter heaven. Roll with it how you want to, but I would need a bit more convincing on that point. Reading that, though, reminded me of Attis and how, according to one rumored way he died, was by castrating himself under a tree. It would seem interesting, that if Paul, while teaching Christ's gospel, would say that circumcision does not matter, Matthew is teaching people to castrate themselves. That would be a bit odd.

Now, animal sacrifice was a big part of the OT. The blood was required to wash sins clean, for the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). This seems to correlate with the first sin, when Adam ate of the fruit (Genesis 2:17) "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". Sin brings death, the law of death exists with sin. Animals, then, died to lift the sin. After Christ came, who was to be the sacrifice, through His blood sin was washed away, and that is why the punishment of death was removed. No longer were animal sacrifices needed, but stoning and all forms of death punishment were washed away as well. As for human sacrifice, the only place in Scripture I can find of human sacrifice is Christ Himself, the next closest is when Abraham was told to kill Isaac as a test, but was stopped from killing his son. Perhaps I overlooked that part.

I am not a crazy Christian who is here to force dogma down anyone's throat, and discussion is more than welcome. As I said, this project helped me to learn more and to refine what I knew, and I figured I would share it. I enjoy reading as much as I can, and discussing what I read, so feel free to comment and disagree.

[pax681]

Anarchist Wrote:As far as the sheep and oxen, I have no idea as to why they were skilled as well

well here in Scotland in Aberdeen ad some of the Islands.. the sheep are very skilled at running........ from Aberdonians and Islanders, especially is the have wellington boots(gum boots to Americans) with velcro along the shins
sorry , couldn't help myself there ...

[Watchdog]