Poor America - P a n o r a m a [B B C] - Broadcast Date: 13th February 2012

[rockclimber]

[Sovereignman]

I saw this special months ago, maybe in 2010 or early '11. There are jobs out there, Americans have just grown to take for granted the conveniences that modern technology provides. Americans have become lazy people who expect a big government to take care of them. Change the title from poor America to lazy America. Or entitlement America. Or braindead America. Pick one, they all are fitting.

I see plenty of jobs for house cleaning, disaster restoration, welders, auto technicians, window cleaners, Cnc lathe etc operators, aerospace companies, and so on.

Or, it doesn't cost much to start your own business. Anyone with 30-60 bucks can go down to the commerce commissioners office and apply for a business tax ID/license and register a new company, either a llc, c or s Corp. Anyone can even go to websites that specialize in printing people business cards for cheap, sometimes the first batch of hundred or so are free. Or you can make your own flyers with paper and pen/pencil, and a copy machine at the ups store or kinkos.

I've had numerous arguments with lefty liberal obamabot dipshits on politicalforums.com (before they banned me several times) about how it's not the GOP/republicans fault that people can't find employment.

Either you are a stubborn douche who doesnt want a shitty job and you refuse to take it because you aren't qualified for a better job, or you take the shitty job and also enroll in some courses to educate yourself to move up in the world.

The guy who used to lay tile could easily steal a job in the southwest from an illegal alien.

You think bill gates, Henry ford or Thomas Jefferson demanded that someone create a job for them? Lolololz. No, they created their own job. And in return, they created jobs for thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of people.

I'll agree that there are certain aspects to that video that are reality but those people can make a change if they really wanted. If a loser like myself is getting call backs from employers and staffing agencies I'm 100% positive that the guy who knows a trade like laying tile can find work. Hell, that's a great trade to be in, he could charge cash and never have to pay a fucking cent to the jack off IRS thus never having to fund a tyrant bankers manufactured war, an illegal aliens welfare, or some asshole congress mans bloated salary. If I knew how to lay tile, I'd do that job and save up a ton of cash, then probably bail from this lame nation before the shit really hits the fan.

I will say this in light of their living situation. When the shit does hit the fan, those people will know how to cope better than those who have just lost electricity and water since they have been doing it for some time now.

And I'll close with this, how many of those now homeless voted for obamas hope and change bullshit? And how many are now falling for Romney or santorums mainstream media and Goldman Sachs backed bullshit?

Remember people, you have the ability to make a change for the better by looking at history and vowing to not make the same mistake again. If you were watching fox, nbc, abc, and msnbc during the last election, and you're now watching those same outlets again expecting them to give you some valuable guidance, you may as well just shoot yourself in the head.

[rockclimber]

You're not in touch with reality. There are not "plenty of jobs out there". Everything you say is based on your perception and not based on any facts. I know plenty of people who are looking for work and many who have had to take menial jobs with a college education. Are there plenty of useless and lazy Americans? More than you can shake a stick at to be certain. I don't think all of those people living in tent cities or their cars like their new homes.

One thing is certain--it's going to get far worse.

I would say you really need to pay attention to sites like: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ or http://endoftheamericandream.com/ or listen to Mike from East Texas (on the tracker as MIET) to understand the gravity of the situation we are in. Jobs a plenty, what a joke. Ten million manufacturing jobs have been offshored since 2001 and you get a shitty 1/2 paying service job in return if there are any. It's a mess and it hasn't even started.

[Sovereignman]

Believe me I am living in reality. There are jobs out there but they suck. Sometimes work isn't fun.

I know the USA is going through a really rough time but I'll offer a challenge to anyone who doesn't have a job, just like I did to the kid on politicialforums who, surprise surprise, would never answer me back because he knew I was right.

Tell me what city you live in and what field of study you are in and I'll find you a job. Just those two things, I don't need any other personal info, just a general location and what you are most familiar with in terms of work. And unlike head hunters of staffing agencies, I'll do it for free.

I'll even give you my secret. Ppssst..... Craigslist. Monster.com or any other career or job search site in your area.

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And in watching some of this video is it safe to say that you are pro obamas healthcare law, which forces responsible healthy people to have to pay for irresponsible unhealthy people?

I used to have blue cross blue shield at my old employer, it was nice but I rarely used it.

Now being unemployed, I havent needed healthcare at all. If I get a cold I don't run to the doctor. That's another problems with Americans today, a large portion believe that they need to run straight to the doctor the second they get a runny nose.

What do I do? I head to the grocery store and get cranberry juice, orange juice, some vit c tabs like airborn, and then I go to whole foods and grab some whole body defense pills, basically immune system booster. Those combined with over the counter medicine like theraflu, Tylenol or advil stuff is usually plenty to cure any type of cold or flu.

I notice a lot of Americans are filthy slobs too who don't clean their house. When is the last time you, or anyone, swabbed their tele cell phones, door knobs, light switches etc with alcohol or some Lysol or clorox wipes? When's the last time anyone mopped their floor or vacuumed their carpet?

The dirtier you live, the higher the likelihood of you catching a illness, cold, bug whatever.

As for on the job injury, if you are doing a physically demanding job, your employer should have ins, if they don't, find a different job. If times are tough, allot some of your pay towards a healthcare policy.

[Shinobi]

The BBC's panorma rubbing it in more....

So can anyone say wether this crap was actually any good ?

[Dunamis]

(02-16-2012 09:28 AM)Sovereignman Wrote:  I saw this special months ago, maybe in 2010 or early '11.

How did you manage that man? It was only just broadcast! Not a single month has yet passed since.

[Sovereignman]

I saw a similar special on those people living under Vegas, I should have been more specific that it wasn't this exact show. But I have seen that couple before talking about the water flooding them.

[sitra11ahra]

(02-16-2012 08:53 PM)Sovereignman Wrote:  Believe me I am living in reality. There are jobs out there but they suck. Sometimes work isn't fun.

I know the USA is going through a really rough time but I'll offer a challenge to anyone who doesn't have a job, just like I did to the kid on politicialforums who, surprise surprise, would never answer me back because he knew I was right.

Tell me what city you live in and what field of study you are in and I'll find you a job. Just those two things, I don't need any other personal info, just a general location and what you are most familiar with in terms of work. And unlike head hunters of staffing agencies, I'll do it for free.

I'll even give you my secret. Ppssst..... Craigslist. Monster.com or any other career or job search site in your area.

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And in watching some of this video is it safe to say that you are pro obamas healthcare law, which forces responsible healthy people to have to pay for irresponsible unhealthy people?

I used to have blue cross blue shield at my old employer, it was nice but I rarely used it.

Now being unemployed, I havent needed healthcare at all. If I get a cold I don't run to the doctor. That's another problems with Americans today, a large portion believe that they need to run straight to the doctor the second they get a runny nose.

What do I do? I head to the grocery store and get cranberry juice, orange juice, some vit c tabs like airborn, and then I go to whole foods and grab some whole body defense pills, basically immune system booster. Those combined with over the counter medicine like theraflu, Tylenol or advil stuff is usually plenty to cure any type of cold or flu.

I notice a lot of Americans are filthy slobs too who don't clean their house. When is the last time you, or anyone, swabbed their tele cell phones, door knobs, light switches etc with alcohol or some Lysol or clorox wipes? When's the last time anyone mopped their floor or vacuumed their carpet?

The dirtier you live, the higher the likelihood of you catching a illness, cold, bug whatever.

As for on the job injury, if you are doing a physically demanding job, your employer should have ins, if they don't, find a different job. If times are tough, allot some of your pay towards a healthcare policy.

I have 3 cousins who are recent college graduates that havnt been able to find work since they got out and minum wage jobs wont hire them because theyre over qualified and theyre afraid theyll leave as soon as a better job offer comes about. Not only that but they dont have a well off parents to help with their living experiences. All their bills together come close to 1000 a month and this isnt including their student loans.

And theyre young.

Have you ever been poor? Probably not. You probably grew up in a middle class household. I could be wrong but I doubt it. I was homeless last summer but I managed to get a job and then get a room on the south side of syracuse in a bad neighborhood. My neighbors had three kids and one on the way. The man of the house road his bike to labor ready every day and they still ate roman noodles every night. Now I know countless people like this. I have all my life. How is someone living on 1300 $ a month supposed to support a family, pay rent, a phone bill, car insurance, pay for food, or even put gas in their car to get to these tons of jobs youre talking about? When you subtract the jobs that dont want someone with experience from the listings youre left with what? 10? 20? I know theres over at least 100 people in my city that are unemployed right now.

Sure you could say that it's their fault for having kids or going to school when they didnt have the money, but that doesnt change the fact that theyre in the position they are now. If they were to cut off welfare you would have riots in the street the next day. And even if the police were able to arrest every rioter youd still be paying for them in prison and a great deal more then youre paying for welfare. 80000 a year roughly for one inmate.

My friends dad worked at a factory for twenty years and they closed it down. Hes got a mortgage and two kids in the house and you expect him to take a job that pays 7.50 an hour? Yea theres lazy people but theres also a lot of people that arent that are struggling and a cleaning job aint gonna pay the rent and they dont have the money or the time to go back to school. You sound like a direct product of talk radio. Some idiot screaming, "well if the democrats would make it easier for companies to do business here then corporations wouldnt have to move jobs over seas". Its such a joke. The major campaign funders for both McCain and Obama were goldman sachs, merril lynch, stanley Morgan and chase, and the US government. Infact the government gave more money to Obama than McCain even though we had a republican as commander and chief. You know what that means? It means they put the democrat in office to take care of all the socialist stuff they need done and then a republican to take care of all the military and deregulation stuff. Its why Obama still goes behind the scenes and extends the patriot act and consolidates the departments that regulate trade and commerce, but fox news talks about how unconstitutional his extension of the patriot act is even though it was bush that proposed it in the first place. Its because theyre all pawns. Theyre just trying to make you think you have a choice. You may have a ron paul quote for your signature but you sound like rush or sean hannity when you recite rhetoric like that. You play into their hands.

We had 2 major factories that employed people in syracuse and theyre both gone. Those people werent lazy. The people that ran the factories were just greedy.
Do I believe in unregulated welfare? No. People should be drug tested and you shouldnt be able to claim ssi for something like bi polar disorder. Everyone should have to prove theyre looking for work in order to receive benefits. I would love it if everyone worked, but regardless of what you say there just arent the jobs and corporations get tons of money for moving jobs over seas. Walmart for example tells their employees to get on welfare because they dont offer health insurance, all their factories are based over seas and they pay their factory workers 3$/day if they work over time and what do they get in return? 1.08 billion dollars a year in tax subsidies from state governments to build parking lots and irrigation systems while we tell teachers that they have to pay more into their pensions because the state just doesnt have the money for them. But then again, you probably think that teachers and firefighters should pay more and stop expecting handouts.

I referred to this in another post. Its like everytime we get a democrat in office the problem amongst these truth movements think the problem is socialism, collectivism, welfare etc. And everytime we get a republican the problem is corporatism, fascism, and militarism. Its a combination of the two. Youre thinking exactly how they want you to think.

[Sovereignman]

Quote:I have 3 cousins who are recent college graduates that havnt been able to find work since they got out and minum wage jobs wont hire them because theyre over qualified and theyre afraid theyll leave as soon as a better job offer comes about. Not only that but they dont have a well off parents to help with their living experiences. All their bills together come close to 1000 a month and this isnt including their student loans.

*disclaimer* foul language ahead, no cliffs available.

They need to tailor their resumes then. Scale back the self congratulatory accomplishments and make the resumes less sophisticated.

I have experience in the automotive field, management, retail, warehouse, and field tech for computer related. If I'm applying for a position for something completely unrelated to any of this then I need to tailor my resume accordingly to appeal to the hiring manager.

They should also lie. I don't like lying but most Americans today are liars who make themselves sound better than they really are. It's a big reason why Obama is the president, and why companies like mcdonalds and walmart or so big.

If your cousins have been doing the same thing over and over and are not getting the results they want, then why continue to do the same thing over and over? It makes no sense.

My family was poor when I was young. I remember showing up to school on the first day (it was early grade school, first, second or third grade) and all the kids had new air Jordan nikes. I had cheap shoes from kmart which eventually came apart during pe class while I was running. Eventually my parents began to make great money, a combined income of 300k per year but they busted their asses to get there. They started their own business. For two to three years they didn't even take a paycheck. No president or congressional party provided a job for them. They went down to the commerce commissioners office and applied for a business license and commercial tax ID. They took INITIATIVE. They fought hard, put in twelve hour days, day after day, most times my dad working on sat and sun for a few hours. After three years of no pay they made something like 40k annual, then the next year around 60k. Their pay grew generously year after year because of hard work. They didn't demand that republican or democrat congressmen provide a job for them.

Today though I will say that from what I have read and heard it is more difficult for small businesses because of the increase in taxes placed upon them. Then of course having to compete with walmart and china is a heavy burden.

Why don't your cousins take a shit job for now, save up money and open their own business? Or take that shit job, and continue to look for a better job. Game those employers the way they game job seekers.

As for having kids that one can't afford, that's not my problem. It's not my responsibility to take care of other people's children. I can't afford kids so guess what, if I have sex I use this thing called birth control. Have you ever heard of that? There's these things called condoms for men, and women, and oral contraceptive for both men, and women. /end condescend.

I have absolutely no remorse for irresponsible assholes that put their selfish lusts and desires ahead of personal responsibility thus resulting in a mouth that they can't feed.

Fuck the democrats, and the republicans, both of them are shit. They play devils advocate off each other full well knowing that they aren't going to really represent their constituents at all, only catering to the lobbyists who funnel them money.

If you aren't being represented, vote the incumbent out. In the state I live in, we have had the same asshole congressmen for decades! Fucking decades! I attribute it to stupid old people who don't know how to use a computer and do research, or just that they lack two brain cells to rub together. Good thing their generation is on it's way out.

Fuck rush and hannity, I do not listen to them. I've never listened to rush, heard a few short soundbites that ive run into on the net and cant stand him, the guy is an asshole. Hannity I have watched briefly a small handful of times and I can't stand him either. What talking points of theirs am I reciting? Because I'm not familiar with their views.

I know Obama extended the patriot act, that piece of shit. I know he signed the ndaa bill too. He is a fucking bitch ass puppet of the federal reserve, trilateral commission, cfr, un, israeli dooshbags.

And fuck John McCain too, he's no fucking pow war hero. More like a bitch rat who sold out his nation and fellow troops. Do a google search for "John McCain traitor" and you will learn the truth about that ndaa creating scumbag.

Your second to last paragraph, I agree on your welfare views re mandatory drug testing. That was suggested and millions of democrats on msnbc and news vine (get dumber there) bitched and moaned about it. Oh you heartless republicans!

I hate walmart, hate them. I only buy shell rotella t6 oil from them if I'm out of town and need a quart. Other than that, I don't step foot near that place.

I don't believe teachers should pay more, or firefighters. Teachers though, most of them today are worthless, nothing more than pawns that indoctrinate children, teaching them lies about this nation and it's history (see Edison and all the credit he got for other people's inventions).

Im am not thinking exactly the way they want me to think, I understand the problems between the two. It's just that whenever I hear people complaining about finding unemployment I offer them the challenge or give them some pointers and they let it go in one ear and out the other as they quickly hit the reply button to label me.

What field of study did your cousins graduate in? Are you all in Syracuse?

I know little about the details of factories closing except that the number over the years is very high. Believe me, it makes me angry. I hate china, I hate that so many things today are made there in sweat shops. Again though, getting back to it, many Americans think they are above doing factory work, or any sweat work. Most twenty something's today all want to be American idol "stars". The unions and their pensions, I believe, is one aspect of what helped kill general motors. People getting paid 75 bucks an hour to bolt on a door to a chassis with a pneumatic tool? Give me a break, no skill involved there. Then they get some outrageous living wage after they retire. The other aspect is that for a decade and a half they built garbage vehicles that no one wanted. All that together = certain death. I was against a bailout for them. My mother and father never got a bail out. So many smaller companies struggling didn't get bail outs.

Socialism is a problem. When person b realizes he can sit on his ass and not work, but get a portion of what person a has earned, person a has less of a desire to work.

I wouldn't say corporatism is a problem, not is capitalism, the problem is when the federal government turns it head away from tax dodging like general electric, Hewlett packard, chase and many other large companies are guilty of doing, in the millions, and no one is holding them accountable, while taxes for middle class rise, and the poor just sit around claiming how rough it is for them while collecting a check.

Fascism is a problem in this nation right now and we have a democrat in office. It was also a problem under bush and bush jr. And Clinton.

Militarism, I believe that every nation needs a military to protect them but when that military is used to bully other nations so that bankers can topple leaders and implement there own thus controlling that nations currency and it's resources, well, that's a big problem.

This is why I like Ron Paul, because he wants to end the fed. I truly believe that the federal reserve and bankers rothschilds, etc are the creators of most of this worlds problems.

[Sovereignman]

No takers? No one wants a job or do they just want to complain that there are no jobs?

Sitra11ahra, just out of curiosity, who are your cousins poised to vote for? Not that their votes matter in the bigger picture because the globalists will stick whoever they want in office but I'm curious as to which presidential candidate they are supporting.

[yeti]

(02-16-2012 09:28 AM)Sovereignman Wrote:  I saw this special months ago, maybe in 2010 or early '11.

The program was produced in 2012.

[Sovereignman]

I have seen a similar special about the people living under Vegas long before this particular video came out. It was a shorter segment though.

I have nothing to gain by lying about something as petty as this.

Looks like no one wants to be proven wrong about not being able to find a job. I thought there was some hard working intelligent people on this forum, not lazy libs that want to si on unemployment forever.

Here, check the dates when these videos were uploaded. Two years ago, one year ago....

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_qu...2.6.3l11l0