Occupy Wall Street Protests :: Smug Arrogant Faces

[Armilus]

It seems to be a genuine grassroots protest, nothing sponsored. Few red flags here and there, and sellouts like Moore trying to hijack it, is something to be expected. I am not sure about their strategy, but i admire the spirit.

Quote:I am at the protest right now.

It is a hotbed of radical insanity....not. It's actually kind of fun. I should have brought my guitar and played some Skynyrd. It's mostly kids and mostly White. I would estimate about 400-500 HQ'd in the park opposite the world trade center site. About 30 uniformed cops on the perimeter. Lots of music. Some hairbrained speeches.

I will start a thread with photos and a full report when I get home. A march is planned for 5pm after the market close. Next month they are headed to Washinton, where they will end up as a soundbite in Obama's plea for higher taxes to help the helpless.

THESE KIDS ARE THE ANTI TEA PARTY. THEY DON'T HAVE A FUTURE TO STEAL.

Could these kids be mobilized into serious street action? Sure. They're unemployed and unattached. These aren't the White kids who went to Yale and joined Skull & Bones. If a dozen racial cadre descended on the park in green hair and cuttoff BDU's they could get some traction- provided they didn't say anything about the third reich right off the bat.

No evidence of deep pocket organized communism as yet. This is low budget and as grass roots as it gets. I'm going to get into position now to photograph the march, unless it's called for heavy rain.

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Quote:I saw the march. They have two marches a day, group meditation sessions, speeches at 7.pm and ongoing symposiums of various types. About 350 people went on the march down wall street and right in front of the federal reserve HQ with about 50 cops to corral them.

The cops are scum for hurting these kids. They are no threat to anyone.

Wall Street is an area of thirty odd square blocks with a workday population of maybe half a million. The idea that 500 or so people are going to "occupy" it or shut it down or cost anyone a nickel of business is ridiculous. Most people walk right by the park without a moment's notice. It's part street fair, part protest, but what it really is: a nucleus of dissaffected people with a desire to be heard. Let's hope it grows.

Also- no pro Obama signs in evidence and several pro- Palestinian signs. Pictures to follow when I get home. I just found a brand new computer cart in the street and I want to grab it before someone else does.

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Quote:I was down there today. I assure you nobody is "behind" these people. They have no money. They don't even have good signs or flyers to hand out. They represent a variety of political beliefs. I saw no pro Obama messages and no pro diversity messages. Yes it is embarrassing to hear us supporting the police state against these people.

The average New Yorker doesn't give a whit about this protest. Talk to people ten blocks away and they don't even know it's going on. You can't see more than 100 feet in any direction downtown on account of the tall buildings and traffic, nor can you hear somebody screaming at the top of their lungs half a block away. The only people getting pissed off are the NYPD and Stormfront. Yet the powers that be are afraid to move in and clean out the park. This would take about ten minutes with a few mounted officers and shotguns loaded with gas pellets, but they don't do it because it would be all over Youtube in a flash.

That's another lesson to be learned from all this.

If they had more people on their side they actually could shut down Wall Street -lots more, thousands more. I hope more will join them in delivering this blow to our enemies, but I don't think the mood is right just yet. Nevertheless, it's a beginning.

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Quote:They arrested 700 people peacefully walking across the Brooklyn bridge today. I'm going down on Monday. It appears the protest has grown about ten fold since I was there on Thursday.

A word of advice to anyone attending one of these things: the cops are out for blood. Do not bring anything that could be construed as a weapon, such as a can of pepper spray or a small pocket knife. If you are arrested with these objects on your person they will charge you with criminal possession of a weapon, plus anything else they can tack on to give you a record.

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Quote:I went to the protest tonight around 9pm EST.

I wondered if the rain, the onset of cool weather and multiple arrests might have put a damper on things, but Liberty Park is packed. Much more so than when I went there on last Thursday.

There was a guy in the crowd saying "We have to get on a unified message, let's make big Arrest LLoyd Blankfein signs to carrry on the next march." The other guy claimed the crowd wouldn't know who Blankfein (Goldman Sachs CEO) is. I told them I knew, and it was a great idea.

It is also true that the Marines have showed up to stand with the protesters. This guy was one of four or five vets I saw.

Also, END THE FED signs and Abolish The IRS signs are starting to pop up. Ron Paulites must be working the growing crowd along with various Lefties, Paleocons, Greens and the odd narc. The NYPD has a gimmick I've never seen before. The cops are in an enclosed cherry picker crane across the street so they can look down on the park with infrared and god knows what else. Yeesh, can't they just rent a hotel room like they do in the movies?

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[Dunamis]

(10-02-2011 08:20 PM)Armilus Wrote:  I stand by what i said, no matter what reason, i won't support the communists. They do not represent me, and i won't support any protest organized by them. The fact they have Michael Moore on their side, who is 200+ million USD "fat", speaks a lot about who the "shill" is.

In other words, the fact i see the forest over trees is the reason i reject these protests even when i would normally want more protesting done by people, but only when organized by individuals who are for liberty, not commies who are nothing else than tools of those they are protesting against.

(10-03-2011 08:51 AM)Armilus Wrote:  It seems to be a genuine grassroots protest, nothing sponsored. Few red flags here and there, and sellouts like Moore trying to hijack it, is something to be expected. I am not sure about their strategy, but i admire the spirit.

[DoomSayer]

(10-02-2011 05:52 PM)Solve et Coagula Wrote:  - Israel now on the way to South Africa style isolation.
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Chomsky warns “the Zionist state would risk a collapse if that support was to be withdrawn or compromised – much like apartheid-era South Africa.” ­He recalls how South Africans felt safe to ignore a UN embargo and corporations pulling out of their country throughout the 1980s, as long as the Reagan administration continued to support them.

As soon as the US withdrew its support, the apartheid regime collapsed. “For 35 years, the US and Israel have been rejecting a political settlement that is supported virtually by the entire world.

A couple of months ago, there was a meeting of the oligarchs — people who pretty much run the economy of Israel,” Chomsky says, “and they warned the government that it better accept something like this resolution, because otherwise, Israel will be, as they put it, South Africanized: even more isolated, with boycotts, refusal to load ships, and their economy will collapse.”

I couldn't help but be reminded of the connection between South Africa and Israel that blossomed under the sanctions placed on the apartheid era export of goods. The Israeli covert repackaging and resale of South African produce was in direct violation of the spirit of international efforts to bring about the end of the oppressive regime. I wonder how many hundreds of millions of USD were made by greedy Israeli businesses and how much longer the South Africans had to wait for the Government to finally fall as a result of that partnership?
It would be a fitting end to the hypocrisy, should the Israelis follow the South Africans down the same crooked path to destruction.

[Armilus]

(10-03-2011 03:31 PM)Dunamis Wrote:  

Initial impression i got was different from what i saw later. It is always best to check multiple sources before jumping to conclusions.

A lot of people are suspicious, for example:

Quote:This does seem very staged, not the "organic" protest they are making it out to be on the news lately. These people are unaware that they are only being used as pawns in this little game. But the trick is to figure out what angle this is being played as. Are they going to use these protests as a reason to increase martial law? Are they trying to force the class warfare they have desperately wanted for fifty years? Are they just trying to keep everyone distracted until no-one knows what's going on? Perhaps it will amount to nothing in the end...
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Relevant torrent:
The Alex Jones Show 2011.10.02 Occupy Wall Street Special
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=25745

Alex is saying similar things i said in this thread, also how bankers try to divert the attention of the people from the Federal Reserve, and want them to basically just focus on the Wall Street as in capitalism, and to support anti-capitalist ideas like redistribution of wealth. These may sound nice, but in the end elites use this to control people and to get super-rich in the process.

This capitalism vs. communism may be similar to the left vs. right paradigm, or republicans vs. democrats, both controlled by the same cabal.

[zapoper]

DC live stream http://www.livestream.com/october2011 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/october2011

http://october2011.org/livewelcome Chicago http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupychicago http://www.livestream.com/occupychicago LA http://www.livestream.com/owslosangeles Boston http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston

UPDATE The whole list: http://occupyinfo.tumblr.com/

[zapoper]

http://timeoutchicago.com/things-to-do/t...f-we-are-t

[Dunamis]

(10-06-2011 09:24 PM)zapoper Wrote:  

http://timeoutchicago.com/things-to-do/t...f-we-are-t

Easy to remember they aren't any different from you and I when they make their own banners...lol. A good reality check for many I am sure, infuriating for some as well I bet.

[Armilus]

Quote:Lies, Damn Lies and Photoshop [image of Occupy Wall Street turnout faked]
A fellow skeptic (President of the Granite State Skeptics Travis Roy) recently posted a request on the Skeptoid mailing list regarding an image that has been making the rounds on Facebook. The image is an aerial shot of a supposedly huge turnout for the Occupy Wall St protest against corruption and greed. What appears to be thousands of protesters clog the streets of New York near the City Hall, with a caption stating:

"Occupy Wall Street Turnout: My TV says nothing. The only thing I hear is its [sic] a small 100 person turn out. Turn off your TV. Ask your friends. Dont [sic] trust the media they lie!"

After a request from Wettstein (and a warning from my hosting provider) I have removed his plagiarised propaganda image from my site. However the original can be found on Google Image Search.

My skeptical colleague saw this image and immediately smelled something fishy. Travis noticed that the image was an aerial photo of New York City Hall, whereas the protests were happening several blocks away at Liberty Square. He sent the image to the mailing list for other opinions. To my eyes the mass of protesters looked out of place, the crowd looked too uniform and dense to be real. I took the image into Photoshop to see if I could pick up any pattern to the image. My original thought was that they had used the clone tool to make a smaller group of people look much larger. Not being able to find anything obvious, I started to wonder where the background plate may have come from. Immediately Google Maps came to mind. I looked up the location featured in the image, and then I saw it: [...]

Read more:
http://blog.timparkinson.net/2011/09/30/...photoshop/
https://sites.google.com/site/timparkinsonnet/ (mirror)


faked photo above & satellite image from Google Maps

"The comments after the blog post are astounding, especially the ones made by the loser who made the fake photos and attempts to justify his lies. Unbelievable."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2787469/posts

[FastTadpole]

@Armilus Where was the 'shopped image used? Any Newspapers or bigger websites?

Here's another artist's representation.

   

[Armilus]

From what i gather, it was successfully distributed via Facebook, mailing lists, various blogs and forums. We could say it went viral for a bit of time, not sure if any media was directly involved.

Quote:Reply from the image creator is in:

“yes its photoshopped I was hyping the event lol you do know the news is lying to us all day long. So they have CNN and Fox the 99% have me lol

Sincerely,
Jason Wettstein”




Travis Roy

October 1, 2011 at 3:58 am

So I replied. “So they lie, it’s okay for you to lie?”

His reply to that:

” Yes!!

I would do anything to help fight the elites and banksters. I feel overstating the turnout when it is being ignored by the mainstream media might inspire people to head on down.

My take is the world is on its deathbed I would lie cheat, steal and murder to save my daughter a place on this planet these banksters are destroying for imaginary profits.

You can make this an issue but when the food runs out I am eating you.

Sincerely,
Jason Wettstein"

Source: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...663097/pg1

For more info about his sponsors check this post/thread:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...1#27484757

[Telecaster72]

Where is the no-fly zone?
Why isn't Hillary sending her techno experts to aid the protesters in this "American spring"?

[FastTadpole]

Wall Street firms utilized a Rent a Cop program that is heavily subsidized by taxpayers to corral, entrap, arrest and assault Occupy protesters.

Quote:Who Do the White Shirt Police Report to at Occupy Wall Street Protests?
Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll
October 10, 2011
by PAM MARTENS

Videos are springing up across the internet showing uniformed members of the New York Police Department in white shirts (as opposed to the typical NYPD blue uniforms) pepper spraying and brutalizing peaceful, nonthreatening protestors attempting to take part in the Occupy Wall Street marches. Corporate media are reporting that these white shirts are police supervisors as opposed to rank and file. Recently discovered documents suggest something else may be at work.

If you’re a Wall Street behemoth, there are endless opportunities to privatize profits and socialize losses beyond collecting trillions of dollars in bailouts from taxpayers. One of the ingenious methods that has remained below the public’s radar was started by the Rudy Giuliani administration in New York City in 1998. It’s called the Paid Detail Unit and it allows the New York Stock Exchange and Wall Street corporations, including those repeatedly charged with crimes, to order up a flank of New York’s finest with the ease of dialing the deli for a pastrami on rye.

The corporations pay an average of $37 an hour (no medical, no pension benefit, no overtime pay) for a member of the NYPD, with gun, handcuffs and the ability to arrest. The officer is indemnified by the taxpayer, not the corporation.

New York City gets a 10 percent administrative fee on top of the $37 per hour paid to the police. The City’s 2011 budget called for $1,184,000 in Paid Detail fees, meaning private corporations were paying wages of $11.8 million to police participating in the Paid Detail Unit. The program has more than doubled in revenue to the city since 2002.

The taxpayer has paid for the training of the rent-a-cop, his uniform and gun, and will pick up the legal tab for lawsuits stemming from the police personnel following illegal instructions from its corporate master. Lawsuits have already sprung up from the program.

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Just this year, the Department of Justice revealed serious problems with the Paid Detail unit of the New Orleans Police Department. Now corruption probes are snowballing at NOPD, revealing cash payments to police in the Paid Detail and members of the department setting up limited liability corporations to run upwards of $250,000 in Paid Detail work billed to the city.

When the infamously mismanaged Wall Street firm, Lehman Brothers, collapsed on September 15, 2008, its bankruptcy filings in 2009 showed it owed money to 21 members of the NYPD’s Paid Detail Unit. (A phone call and email request to the NYPD for information on which Wall Street firms participate in the program were not responded to. The police unions appear to have only scant information about the program.)

Other Wall Street firms that are known to have used the Paid Detail include Goldman Sachs, the World Financial Center complex which houses financial firms, and the New York Stock Exchange.

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On September 8, 2004, Robert Britz, then President and Co-Chief Operating Officer of the New York Stock Exchange, testified as follows to the U.S. House Committee on Financial Services:

“…we have implemented new hiring standards requiring former law enforcement or military backgrounds for the security staff…We have established a 24-hour NYPD Paid Detail monitoring the perimeter of the data centers…We have implemented traffic control and vehicle screening at the checkpoints. We have installed fixed protective planters and movable vehicle barriers.”

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Wall Street is not the only sector renting cops in Manhattan. Department stores, parks, commercial banks and landmarks like Rockefeller Center, Jacob Javits Center and St. Patrick’s Cathedral have also participated in the Paid Detail Unit, according to insiders.

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We may be learning a lot more in the future about the tactics Wall Street and the NYPD have deployed against the Occupy Wall Street protestors. The highly regarded Partnership for Civil Justice Fund has filed a class action lawsuit over the approximately 700 arrests made on the Brooklyn Bridge on October 1. The formal complaint and related information is available at the organization’s web site, http://JusticeOnLine.org .

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The lawsuit lays out dwhat has been curtailing the constitutional rights of protestors for a very long time in New York City.

“As seen in the movements for social change in the Middle East and Europe, all movements for social justice, jobs, and democracy need room to breathe and grow and it is imperative that there be a halt to law enforcement actions used to shut down mass assembly and free expression of the people seeking to redress grievances…

“After escorting and leading a group of demonstrators and others well out onto the Brooklyn Bridge roadway, the NYPD suddenly and without warning curtailed further forward movement, blocked the ability of persons to leave the Bridge from the rear, and arrested hundreds of protestors in the absence of probable cause. This was a form of entrapment, both illegal and physical.

“That the trap and detain mass arrest was a command-level-driven intentional and calculated police operation is evidenced by the fact that the law enforcement officials who led the demonstration across the bridge were command officials, known as ‘white shirts.’ ”

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Full Story: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/f...r-payroll/

Related:

A Privately Owned Tax Funded Military - Blackwater/XE, IPOA Outsourced Recruitment
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=34645

So when/if the troops come home, as promised by the Obama administration in late June, it seems they are perfectly qualified to fill roles in the 'white shirt' program.

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and yes it is infiltrated...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOxERtkwN4

.. yes it's a clusterfuck, yes there is elements of it being directed (from it's inception or just cut off at the pas doesn't matter so much) -- but it can be infiltrated back, overwhelm the hierarchy of sheep dogs with sheer numbers and don't allow it to be directed by the some of organizers that have been planted to direct this manufactured dissension and have certain opinions promoted by getting selectively amplified at the behest certain interests that have the reigns of certain media and groups.

This is a great opportunity to get your own ideas that are most important to you and your community. Just concentrate on being heard .. at least initially until you get enough people moving to actually do something; whatever your views, whatever you think is most important.

We'll find some common goals, some localized solutions and attack some root issues from there once all the ideas are on the table for town hall discussion on town hall terms. Common interest can develop from there when and where it is feasible under a semblance of efficiency.

[Armilus]

That's very good advice, thanks! So far i noticed a lot of different views, and also conflicts among protesters, especially when there are different interest groups trying to influence them for their own agendas.

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Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

Quote:Occupy L.A. Speaker: “One of the speakers said the solution is nonviolent movement. No, my friend. I’ll give you two examples: French Revolution, and Indian so-called Revolution.

Gandhi, Gandhi today is, with respect to all of you, Gandhi today is a tumor that the ruling class is using constantly to mislead us. French Revolution made fundamental transformation. But it was bloody.

India, the result of Gandhi, is 600 million people living in maximum poverty.

So, ultimately, the bourgeoisie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.

Long live revolution! Long live socialism!”

Crowd: [Cheers.]

Andrew Breitbart: I Have E-Mails Showing Organized Plan For #OccupyWallStreet Protests To Destabilize Government




Special Report: In France, far right capitalizes on euro crisis
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-report-...01225.html

See! I said few days ago to expect some response from the far right, most probably from the EU. Although this is a very mild form of the "far right". Expect more intense responses from them as the economy takes a downturn.

Far left is also very busy at the moment, it certainly looks more organized than the conservatives.

[April]