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R.R · 03-29-2011, 10:13 PM

Then don't sleep with any of their daughters:

pax681 · 03-30-2011, 12:10 AM

and that proves what?
hale and pace can do sketches?
hardly relevant to freemasonry really.
you look around you can actually find the wording of the rituals easily online , and when the candidates finish giving their obligations they get told this
"in these days we neither could or could inflict such a penalty however you would be labelled a wilfully perjured individual not fit for any society of honourable men"
if you are going toi make a point... maybe try to make one instead of something kinda silly.
hale and pace weren't funny in the 80's, they still ain't funny now..lol

R.R · 03-30-2011, 01:22 AM

Anyone with half a brain who watches it through can see it's a pisstake and a blatant one at that.

You should rephrase your bias to:

'I don't find Hale and Pace funny, not back then and not now.'

Mainly because you aren't the judge of what is or isn't funny, but are entitled to say what you do or do not find funny.

It might not be relevant to Masonry and whats your point? The sketch is self explanatory as sillyness and nothing more, not meant to prove anything, just a bit of lighthearted fun based on something most on here are aware of - that Masons do silly initiation rituals.

I think I know your real motivation though, I annoyed you on your thread so you're repeating the favour. How childish. Its either that or you yourself are a Mason or have family within Masonry and this touches a nerve.

Just out of interest antients or moderns?

pax681 · 03-30-2011, 04:57 AM

Quote:I think I know your real motivation though, I annoyed you on your thread so you're repeating the favour.

assumption can often be folly... check the time of the posts, you will see this one was done first

Quote:Just out of interest antients or moderns?

i think you would find that was a rift that was a long time ago and now doesn't exist.

Quote:Its either that or you yourself are a Mason

erm.,... assumption... again is wrong

Quote:Just out of interest antients or moderns?

well if you knew yer stuff you would find that rift happend to the english cinstitution and not the Scottish
the odd thing about that rift was that the "moderns" were actually working the older rituals... go figure.
necessity may be the mother of invention but assumption can quite often ne the father of folly

R.R · 03-30-2011, 06:16 AM

There are still some Masons that harp on about that rift as to who is the more legitimate today.

Anyway I'm not interested in continuing this discussion - its taking a childish twist and I refuse to be given philosophical quotes when the level of wisdom displayed is more befitting, well, lets just say the profane. Although I still wonder why the hostility for posting a vid taking the piss out of Masonry - you defended it like it meant something to you, but if you don't want to tell don't worry yourself, I won't assume anything about somebody on an internet forum, I have more important (and some irrelevant but still more important) things to worry about.

Ciao

***Dunamis*** · 03-30-2011, 06:53 AM

I thought it was funny as heck! "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts". LOL

And I am sorry, but pax, it was clearly posted for humour, so being so serious is kind of irrelevant. Maybe not posted in the right area for fiction [I've placed it in the off-topic category now], but the seriousness of your first message wasn't really constructive Wink

pax681 · 03-30-2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:I refuse to be given philosophical quotes when the level of wisdom displayed is more befitting, well, lets just say the profane.

profane?? VERY interesting choice of words there.
are you inferring you are a mason by saying this?
as that is a term very much used by masons to describe non masons.
in fact i'd go as far as to say that really.. it's pretty much only masons that use it outside of old Jewish texts. this is exemplified most especially in the scrolls found in Qumran.

***Dunamis*** · 03-30-2011, 06:58 AM

Read my update, your getting a little carried away. And you have just used the same word as well, in a humour thread on masonry, so it makes sense as to why he used that word, I don't think you get that he was using a play on words for humour.

R.R · 03-30-2011, 07:40 AM

(03-30-2011 06:55 AM)pax681 Wrote:
Quote:I refuse to be given philosophical quotes when the level of wisdom displayed is more befitting, well, lets just say the profane.
profane?? VERY interesting choice of words there.
are you inferring you are a mason by saying this?
as that is a term very much used by masons to describe non masons.
in fact i'd go as far as to say that really.. it's pretty much only masons that use it outside of old Jewish texts. this is exemplified most especially in the scrolls found in Qumran.

assumption can often be folly...

Deathaniel · 03-30-2011, 05:35 PM

washing down rituals seems to be the norm of the 1900's and on, not surprised the mason's fell into that same issue as the old guard probably knows the importance of the old rites, and the new guard doesn't not to mention what did they change was it to make them seem more normal for recruitment purposes? or was it some parts that led to future truths scrubbed as too much has leaked already...

i know it's a joke thread but as one who pays little attention to the "mason and etc crowd" curious if the changes they like Mormons and other groups that let the NWO/ PC crowd change there traditions and beliefs to a more mainstream outlook for dealing with the Sheeple.

pax681 · 03-31-2011, 01:13 AM

the ancients and moderns thing was a looooooong time ago.
Freemasonry in Scotland has been going for a very long time before that.
Lodge of Edinburgh,Mary Chapel Number 1 has minutes going back to 1599... and Mother Kilwinning lays claim to be going before that but didn't have the minutes to back it up.
Recently there has been murmuring of evidence of Freemasonry in Scotland going back to 1025.
interesting you mention mormons as it could well be said that the mormon religion is a "bastardisation" of Freemasonry in a sense as far as some elements of the rituals and "signs,tokens and grips".
i have a couple of documentaries about them .
they are made by ex-Mormons.. they are called "the God makers" parts 1 and 2
i'll put them up if you want if they are not up already

R.R · 03-31-2011, 01:29 AM

The founders of Mormonism were Masons so there is no surprise in the similarities.

I wouldn't be surprised of Masonrys' existence in Scotland gos back that far, especially with some lodges claiming Masonry in England goes back to King Athelstan in the 900's.

I tend to think there is some deeper truth in some of Masonry's grander claims of going back thousands of years or being the continuation of an ancient system. Maybe Anno Lucis is a clue.....