Poll: would you like to be able to upload and download politically motivtated comedy from the tracker?

yeti · (This post was last modified: 12-23-2010 10:28 AM by yeti.)

(12-23-2010 09:53 AM)h3rm35 Wrote:
(12-23-2010 09:29 AM)yeti Wrote:
(12-23-2010 08:31 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I used an unorthodox reply style so that you'd have to pay attention while you responded.

One shot.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077416/
Well now, how cryptic...

care to clarify?

Watch the movie. If you have already, watch it again. Spot me. Spot you.

Which character is you? Which is me?

What is ConCen to you? What is ConCen to me? Do I give a shit about ConCen? Do you?

Watch the movie through ConCen eyes...

h3rm35 · (This post was last modified: 12-23-2010 10:15 AM by h3rm35.)

(12-23-2010 09:52 AM)yeti Wrote:
(12-23-2010 08:31 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I may very well be proven wrong, but I believe that the majority of current users of the site would like to have Lewis Black, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, or Rush Limbaugh available to them, as long as they were fans of any of those performers and wouldn't appreciate the banning of any of them simply because of the marketing angle in which they're ensconced.

You're describing an alternate reality.

"Lewis Black, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh" you describe as performers. I see only one performer - Lewis Black. The rest are journalists. Therefore they are liable for their words.

Who has been banned on your list, other than Black, if even him?

Listen. First off, I'm not trying to fight with you. I've gotten defensive when I felt as though I was being attacked unfairly, and that hasn't been but once or twice. I respect your job, as well as its responsibilities.

my list? meaning what, exactly?

You consider Glenn Beck, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh as journalists?

No - I consider them sensationalist entertainers, and people like george carlin, bill hicks, lewis black, john oliver, stephen colbert, mark thomas, are certainly no lower on the non-fiction scale than Glenn Beck. It's flat out wrong, and to label them the way you do is wrong, and I don't understand why a place as advanced as this would continue to allow one and not the other or ban one and not the other.

yeti · 12-23-2010, 10:15 AM

(12-23-2010 10:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: You consider Glenn Beck, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh as journalists?

My personal opinion is irrelevant. They present themselves as journalists. Therefore they are liable for their words in the courts of law. Artists aren't.

yeti · 12-23-2010, 10:23 AM

(12-23-2010 10:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: I consider them sensationalist entertainers, and people like george carlin, bill hicks, lewis black, john oliver, stephen colbert, mark thomas, are certainly no lower on the non-fiction scale than Glenn Beck. It's flat out wrong, and to label them the way you do is wrong, and I don't understand why a place as advanced as this would continue to allow one and not the other or ban one and not the other.

OK. I'm sorry that you can't understand a core tenet of ConCen - or maybe you do, but you're pretending you're thick?

h3rm35 · 12-23-2010, 10:53 AM

(12-23-2010 10:15 AM)yeti Wrote:
(12-23-2010 10:11 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: You consider Glenn Beck, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh as journalists?

My personal opinion is irrelevant. They present themselves as journalists. Therefore they are liable for their words in the courts of law. Artists aren't.

in what sense are they liable in a court? Don't you think that someone would have filed suit against Glenn Beck on behalf of the president over the fact that he said he was trained in a madrassa? Don't you think we wouldn't be hearing about how hard the state department was working to come up with a way to file charges against Assange, even as a non-citizen, if he could be prosecuted for exercising his first amendment rights? Or did you forget about the first amendment... It's kind of a big deal here that protects everybody who speaks their mind without creating a public emergency.

fox news has repetitively said in interview after interview that Beck, O'rielly, Hannity, the Fox & Friends crew, Greta Van Sustren, and many other are considered "entertainers" and "commentators," and not to be considered "news"

Call me thick all you want, I know that being insulting has kind of become your "thing" recently, but Jones and Limbaugh represent the same thing that Fox doesn't consider news.

Which is the same as any political commentary given on stage.

none of your insults change that.

crystal · 12-23-2010, 10:57 AM

An oversly serious quarrel about comedy. Just make a topic called comedy, with links. Easy!

yeti · 12-23-2010, 10:58 AM

(12-23-2010 10:57 AM)crystal Wrote: An oversly serious quarrel about comedy. Just make a topic called comedy, with links. Easy!

Words of wisdom.

ZeroCenter · 12-23-2010, 03:25 PM

the problem isn't with comedy, but with politics.
Politics are a joke, which makes it too easy for comedy... and anything "too easy" is a low-class, gutter-slut. :-)

rsol · 12-23-2010, 03:33 PM

(12-23-2010 09:38 AM)h3rm35 Wrote:
(12-23-2010 08:58 AM)rsol Wrote: I am a political comedian in my own way, when i try to explain things to people i often make it funny.
comedy is often to do with pointing out inconsistances in life. government is a great subject for this.

I dont think we need to be throwing all comedians out there who ever mentioned the word government.(1)
I think this vote has been raised because of the mark thomas video im hoping to download properly (2) tonght. mark wouldnt be considered a political comedian more an activist comedian(3). I think he has a place here.

h3rm35 actually mentioned the whole management making the call thing. Its interesting how people actually reacted to this (4). there are people out there that will use you then if you make a change they cant trust you. (5) this is echoed in public/government relationships too. food for thought when addressing issues of the day. (6)

(1) what does that mean? what do you mean by "throwing them out there?"

(2) download properly... how so? Freeleech here, or pick it up from the VODO site, which I'm sure actually gets recognition and credit in its attempts to fundraise by getting downloads from their own site, off their tracker?

(3) Since when has there been a differentiation between "political" and "activist" comedians? What the hell is going on here?

(4) How did people react to this, and what is "this?"

(5) to whom are you referring?

(6) what issues are you talking about?

I don't mean to nitpick, but a lot of that seemed a little vague, and I'm sincerely trying to gauge the members' opinions on this subject.

sorry when i mean political comedian i mean basicly a pundit with a sense of humour. you see some of them on question time. and activist comedian goes out there and does something apart from talk. as for "throwing them out there" i really meant "throwing them out"

what i was also highlighting is the bias toward suspision in forums just like this. some guys are just over paranoid and this was highlighted by the recend merg of the torrent comments.

***Dunamis*** · 12-23-2010, 06:53 PM

(12-23-2010 02:14 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: this post was inspired by this thread:
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid205834

The above torrent was deleted upon reflection. I hadn't actually seen most of it at the time and really understand that due to to "poetic licence" used by comedians (who I agree, are in fact artists in that sense), such material has to be classed as non-fiction.

Gladly I have a DVD of Mark Thomas that is suitable for the tracker though, so will upload that at a later date.

By the way, the Vodo site gets money for producers from donations, just to clear that up.

Poll: would you like to be able to upload and download politically motivtated comedy from the tracker?
	yes
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