The Morality of NLP: A Double Edged Sword to be Used or Outright Theft of Free Will?

[FastTadpole]

I have a close friend that is considering taking courses in NLP with good intentions in mind. But all roads ...

I have been considering the merits of using this tool on one's self on others to combat the "evil" mind control that is prevalent head on. A fighting fire with fire sort of juxtaposition but I stopped myself from embarking on that path. My soul told me it was wrong and strips people of their sacred free will no matter how we frame or justify the ends to the means.

An idea should be considered on it's own merit without it being sullied by any manipulation by the salesman. That said certain forces persist to bombard people's thoughts with and subliminal suggestion. It can be argued that that is where the playing field truly is. Is that stooping down to that level or just fighting a necessary evil on a different plane of thought? Is there a technique to deprogram or wipe messaging such as this to level the thought process out and lift the cloud that is in place rather than add more chaos to an already polluted subconscious individual?

I had briefly read about ibogaine as a sort of reset button for certain thoughts, I wonder if could be applicable in achieving the same ends in such instances.

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The course my friend is considering enrolment in is described here:

Live with Power NLP Seminars
http://www.livewithpower.com/index.php?o...&Itemid=27

.. and her thoughts

Quote:Click on it and tell me how and why you wouldn’t want to take this course and learn this skill!!!!!

Whatever the case - I pose the question -- is NLP Neuro-Linguistic Programming moral, a grey area or something that should be avoided at all costs? Also is there an alternative as in rolling back someone's programming or putting up a better filter for defending such attacks?

[Easy Skanking]

Any strong psychedelic will cause you to question everything and will be active in undoing the programming already present in our minds. If you set out with the mission of un-programming yourself before a psychedelic experience, the results will be much greater. Since Iboga and Ibogaine are some of the strongest psychedelics, the change in mindset can be very profound.

I think if you are aware of how NLP works or are a particularly critical thinker anyway, it is easier to resist NLP. Many times when I am listening to it being used, I get a slimy feeling from the speaker. Kinda weird...

I think that using NLP is immoral. Then again I'm against influencing others in any way other than appealing to their reason.

[Hans Olo]

> I think that using NLP is immoral.

That's like saying using a gun is immoral. Or using a hammer. Think about it. Any tool can be used for good or bad. The error here lies in the question. It implies either .. or while it's both - and more.

[FastTadpole]

Quote:That's like saying using a gun is immoral. Or using a hammer. Think about it. Any tool can be used for good or bad. The error here lies in the question. It implies either .. or while it's both - and more.

That pretty much answers the question from your POV, the alternative being it is inherently bad.

This begs the question of the context in which it can be used for good. What about using it on yourself to learn or shape perception? Would you be denying yourself free will or your inbred nature in that instance or is it moot since you administered it knowingly (as a tool) on yourself?

[Hans Olo]

> it is inherently bad.

That begs the question, how can a skill in itself, or having a certain skill be bad?

> This begs the question of the context in which it can be used for good.

There are many contexts in which it can be used for good. You can help people get rid of something ridiculous as an elevator phobia, or just use it to remove negative suggestions (bad NLP) from someone's mind that mainstream-media brainwashing put there. You can make a crime victim stop repeating a bad memory over and over and over in their mind. Or just make the voice in your head sound more pleasant. Or model a skill someone else has and learn it in a fraction of the time they spent mastering it.

> What about using it on yourself to learn or shape perception? Would you be denying yourself free will

I think no, you're just adding some tools to your toolbox. What are you afraid of? Being the master of your own mind? It's your brain, if you're not in charge of it, somebody else will be.

Check out Richard Bandler's recent work if you want to have a look at NLP.

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it's not that i don't think that people choosing NLP as a self help method is necessarily or inherently a bad thing but is it not just gameplay really?

i can only see having an understanding of it as being useful in being aware of tin pot wizards trying to broach my tinfoil?

[Easy Skanking]

(03-24-2010 09:43 AM)Hans Olo Wrote:  > I think that using NLP is immoral.

That's like saying using a gun is immoral. Or using a hammer. Think about it. Any tool can be used for good or bad. The error here lies in the question. It implies either .. or while it's both - and more.

Then I shall more refine my statement.
I think that using NLP on another person against their will is immoral.

Happy now?