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Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
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03-05-2010, 12:21 PM
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Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
Quote:Sinister news today, as psychologists in the US unveil plans for so-called "neuromarketing" - the use of magnetic-resonance brainscans to maximise the appeal of products while they are being designed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/05/neuromarketing/ The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall. - Che Guevara Resistance Films Youtube Channel TriWooOx Podcast |
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05-11-2010, 04:05 AM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
scary. paternalistic liberalists will assign choice architects to help the group make the "right" decision on which candidate to support, while the candidates have already been previously constructed/suited according to the results of various MRI scans taken of the group.
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05-11-2010, 05:02 AM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
Nothing scary about this technology being applied in the free market, where rational people can choose not to buy those products no matter how appealing the marketing is (or not look at ads altogether), and parting a fool from his dollar is no one's fault but the fool's.
What is scary is the violent monopoly (aka government) using this to design better Obamas and Romneys, as well as better Judas goats like Ron Paul to sucker the people who should know better back into the corrupt political system that is used to rationalize and justify their own enslavement! |
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05-11-2010, 09:07 AM
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Quote:The two profs' paper, Neuromarketing: the hope and hype of neuroimaging in business, is published here in Nature Reviews Neuroscience (subscriber link). Can anyone get access to a copy of this paper? The link errors out now. There are no others, there is only us. http://FastTadpole.com/ |
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05-13-2010, 01:10 AM
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A copy of the paper Neuromarketing: the hope and hype of neuroimaging in business is now available on the Stanford.edu site at http://www-psych.stanford.edu/~knutson/bad/ariely10.pdf
More information on the technology and capabilities behind MRI brain scanning. Harvard and MIT professors working under the banner of Boston's Massachusetts General Hospital were involved in the development. It was being further developed and marketed by a PA corporation called Siemens Medical Solutions. Quote:A Better Brain Scannerhttp://www.technologyreview.com/printer_...e§ion= There are no others, there is only us. http://FastTadpole.com/ |
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05-13-2010, 04:35 AM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
they're already using brain monitoring in market surveys. EEG's are commonplace, particularly in advertising campaigns for smokers and fast-food consumers. I'd imagine the costs for using MRI's are pretty substantial, and this seems more like an advertising campaign directed at market research companies to buy MRI machines than reporting of what's likely to become a trend. I'd expect that those who "unveiled" this concept are pretty heavily invested in the technology...
looks like I'll have to spend some time looking into it.
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05-13-2010, 05:23 AM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
I'd apply the 20 year rule on this technology.
The real question is how it will be utilized. I've seen it demonstrated on an episode of Popular Science The Future of.. as a replacement to the lie detector. It will have its inaugural test in court very shortly. Quote:Lie-Detection Brain Scan Could Be Used in Court for First Timehttp://digg.com/general_sciences/Lie_Det...r_1st_Time http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/0...ion-civil/ Future crime prosecution (under the fear of terrorism of course) and profiling may not be far off. Joe Biden on Chip Tracking and Future Crime http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=31603 Crime Prediction Software Is Here and It's a Very Bad Idea http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=32472 There are no others, there is only us. http://FastTadpole.com/ |
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05-13-2010, 05:25 AM
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that doesn't bode well...
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05-13-2010, 05:53 AM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
Update: Brain Scan Dismissed by Brooklyn Judge as Court Evidence
But another case that would submit fMRI scans to the legal test is coming up in Tennessee By Jeremy Hsu Posted 05.07.2010 at 11:50 am http://www.popsci.com/science/article/20...ence?page= They'll keep trying to set the precedent and then perpetually cite it or maybe they are just giving the appearance of a fight when the outcome is predetermined. There are no others, there is only us. http://FastTadpole.com/ |
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05-13-2010, 05:57 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-13-2010 05:57 AM by h3rm35.)
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thanks for the update... no doubt that prosecutors will try to wrap their grubby fingers onto anything that allows them to seem more infallible. I expect we'll see it's use before too long, and we won't hear much about it when it happens. I wonder how much the going rate for a judge is?
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05-13-2010, 06:09 AM
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Released today, seems things are ramping up in this arena ..
Quote:Traces of the past: Computer algorithm able to 'read' memorieshttp://digg.com/general_sciences/Compute...t_Memories http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/News/Media-off...058860.htm Study Reference: Martin J. Chadwick, Demis Hassabis, Nikolaus Weiskopf, and Eleanor A. Maguire. Decoding Individual Episodic Memory Traces in the Human Hippocampus. Current Biology, 2010; DOI: 10.1016/j.cub.2010.01.053 It would be interesting to see the funding channels and personal connections to this charity organization - Wellcome Trust Centre for Neuroimaging at UCL. There are no others, there is only us. http://FastTadpole.com/ |
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05-14-2010, 10:09 PM
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RE: Brain scanners to be used to 'design' political candidates
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/0...plaintiff/
Jury Reaches Decision in Brain-Scan Test Case Decision After a judge excluded brain scan evidence offered by the plaintiff, a jury quickly found for the defense in a Brooklyn sexual harassment case this week. The case, which drew national attention following a Wired.com article earlier this month, was one of the first times that fMRI brain scanning had been offered as evidence in court. David Zevin, the plaintiff’s lead attorney, had argued that his client, temp worker Cynette Wilson, had been blacklisted from assignments after complaining about sexual harassment at a work site. The plaintiff’s key witness claimed his boss at the staffing agency, Edwin Medina, told him not to give Wilson any more assignments. The staffing agency denied the allegation. To try to prove his witness was not lying, Zevin contacted the brain scanning company Cephos, which agreed to provide their fMRI lie-detection test for free. When asked several questions like, “Did Edwin Medina tell you not to place Cynette because she was too legally savvy?” the witness, according to Cephos, answered truthfully. But the New York State Court jury felt otherwise. They deliberated for less than half an hour before finding for the defense. “Given that the jury took so little time to deliberate, it certainly suggests that they did not believe that this witness was credible,” wrote Jessica Cortes of Davis & Gilbert LLP, lead attorney for the defense, in an e-mail to Wired.com. “The plaintiff’s witness admitted under oath to the jury that his earlier sworn testimony — which was the basis of the plaintiff’s case and her only alleged evidence of retaliation — was not true. So it certainly begs the question as to how reliable the fMRI test could be?” But Zevin said that his witness’ statements in the previous sworn testimony were minor timeline issues and that on the core issue of whether Medina had blackballed Wilson, his witness was telling the truth. Cortes successfully argued in pretrial motions that the fMRI evidence should be excluded because it was the fundamental right of juries, not machines, to determine the credibility of witnesses, regardless of their respective accuracy. In this case, the jury’s estimation of the case presumably differed from that delivered by Cephos’ brain scan report. The line-of-attack sidestepped the lively scientific debate over the reliability of brain scanning techniques. The judge in the Brooklyn case plans to issue a legal opinion on why he excluded the fMRI evidence within the next several days. Meanwhile, in a Tennessee Federal court, Cephos’ fMRI evidence is getting a much more thorough vetting. In a case involving Medicare and Medicaid fraud, the brain scans are going through a Daubert hearing, the Federal court process that determines the admissibility of scientific evidence. The hearing began yesterday and wrapped up this morning. A ruling will come bfore June 1, when the trial is slated to begin. According to an observer at the trial who ScienceInsider’s Greg Miller interviewed last night, the hearing was not clearly going in any direction. “At the end of the day, it wasn’t clear who was winning, [University of Pennsylvania cognitive neuroscientist Martha] Farah said. But she says that Judge [Tu] Pham seems determined to hear everyone out. “I think that we are getting a fairly complete picture of what’s known and not known about the validity of this method,’” Miller wrote. If the evidence is admitted, it will be the first time fMRI evidence about the truthfulness of testimony makes it into a U.S. court.
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