Trying To Get Started Believing

[treebeard]

Hey everyone, im new to this whole UFO thing and forums like this so forgive me if I break any unspoken rules etc...

I was on youtube a few days ago, and for fun I typed in UFO. I watched a few videos and got interested... then I eventually worked my way up to "the disclosure project" which I still believe is the most legitimate online video ive seen on the subject. Please let me know that I am either right or wrong to believe this video.

After this I moved onto some bob lazar material, and his describing of the makeup and back engineering of the crafts that they had either found or been given, possibly even made themselves? If anyone has any opinions on this also as to weather its legitimate or not please let me know.

I’ve seen many other videos on the subject, but I would like to stick to these two to start off with, since I know a heavy post could cause problems and I wouldn’t end up getting but half of my questions answered, as people mostly tend to focus their attention to one or two questions at the end of the post rather than each question individually. Actually ill just write them out with numbers and if you could answer each respectively that would be great.

1. "The disclosure project" legitimate correct? all of it?

2. Bob Lazar, also legitimate? or a government plant?

3. Where are the craft lazar was working on, assuming he’s credible, coming from? USA made entirely? given to us? Recovered?

4. I think ive come to understand the basic principals of the antigravity systems the craft run on, however one thing does confuse me. How do the beings inside the craft keep from flying into the walls and being smashed into a pulp whenever the craft takes off at 10,000 MPH then abruptly, immediately stops...? Do the antigravity generators on the bottom of the craft cancel out the properties of inertia inside the craft? If anyone knows that would be great.


Thanks a lot to anyone who can help, and im sure ill be posting A LOT more questions in the coming days!

[nukunuku]

The whole subject of UFOs is very messy and litered with info/disinfo from so many different fractions its really hard to sort it out, nobody knows the whole truth.
As for your questions:

1. supposedly so

2/3. i belive his story is that he worked on reverse engineering an alien craft, as for his credibility, there are those who belive him and those who dont. Those who dont mostly use his supposedly fake background on his scholar degrees as a measure of his sencerity

3. They are not affected by gravity becouse they are in a sort of a no-gravity bubble. There is a gravity distortion in front of the ship and the ship pulls itself behind it. There are 3 moving "somethings" (engines if you want) inside the ship that control the direction of this distortion, so the pilot supposedly turns these engines towards where he wants to go and the ship follows the distortion....oh but you knew that;)

Bare in mind that there are different kinds of Ufos as well. One kind for instance is supposedly only a projection, so these beings actually sit somewhere on the other side of the universe and just project themselves to Earth, thus they are not able to interact with us, they can only observe. This kind was remote viewed by the most famous remote viewer for US gov. agencies, i belive his name is Ed Dames or something like that.

Oh and then you have etheric light vehicles seen in Peru ( Greer talks about these) that can travel trough solid objects.

hope it helps, i just know how much i dont know;)

peace

[Keen]

Quote:The whole subject of UFOs is very messy and litered with info/disinfo from so many different fractions its really hard to sort it out, nobody knows the whole truth.

Yes, this is very true. While I do think there is something real regarding UFO's and aliens, the information and events regarding those subjects must be looked at carefully, imho. There was much disinformation especially after WWII.

In looking at any credible UFO research, sightings or so called "pictures" by "ordinary" people are not often able to be verified. The best information available is from the airforce or military and others who are trained to know what it is they are seeing in the sky. And obviously, people from those areas have seen unknown objects that defy their current knowledge. Other research that I have read deals with ancient history and sightings that seem to fit the description of modern day ones.

The best book that covers everything about ufo's/aliens is Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs. I haven't read any other major books dealing with these issues other than this one. He covers all information and looks at the disinformation as well.

1. It appears so, but it hasn't gone anywhere in the last few years (from what I understand). Greer is still very passionate about it, but he said 9/11 effectively stopped the project from going anywhere.

2. Bob Lazar is an interesting one, he still believes his orginally story and told people they can go to hell if they don't believe him. People that try to debunk him use his technical knowledge for that arguement. His credentials on the other hand, have been checked out by another individual. It is proven based on a W-2 Wage and Tax Statement that he was employed as United States Department of Naval Intelligence. I believe what he had to say, but he may have been out of the loop on what was going on.

3. The craft he claimed to have worked on was in a hanger near Area 51. From what I understand, he believed the craft was of ET origin and not man-made, as the inside was not designed for humans. When he got a job there, he was apparently shown a "intro" film that showed a slideshow of history regarding UFO's, showing saucers and aliens.

4. I do not understand this myself, but then again I know little about advanced physics and science and nor do actual scientists know everything about the universe. Our knowledge is limited to what we are currently capable of. AND what is available to government or military is not necessarily what is available to the average citizen.

[pizzaman777]

Treebeard,

First, welcome to the forums. I would probably have to agree with everyones posts so far. Greer for the most part is credible (at least most of his witnesses are). Bob Lazar is still up in the air though. Personally, I think there is some truth in his story. As for anti-gravity, I honestly don't know alot about that but I could point you to some sites if you're interesed. Feel free to poke around in this topic for some other interesting subjects.

[tsoldrin]

Quote:The whole subject of UFOs is very messy and litered with info/disinfo from so many different fractions its really hard to sort it out, nobody knows the whole truth.

I often feel the same way about the 9/11 so-called Truth Movement.

[Cycle of Eternity]

Quote:Hey everyone, im new to this whole UFO thing and forums like this so forgive me if I break any unspoken rules etc...

I was on youtube a few days ago, and for fun I typed in UFO. I watched a few videos and got interested... then I eventually worked my way up to "the disclosure project" which I still believe is the most legitimate online video ive seen on the subject. Please let me know that I am either right or wrong to believe this video.

After this I moved onto some bob lazar material, and his describing of the makeup and back engineering of the crafts that they had either found or been given, possibly even made themselves? If anyone has any opinions on this also as to weather its legitimate or not please let me know.

I’ve seen many other videos on the subject, but I would like to stick to these two to start off with, since I know a heavy post could cause problems and I wouldn’t end up getting but half of my questions answered, as people mostly tend to focus their attention to one or two questions at the end of the post rather than each question individually. Actually ill just write them out with numbers and if you could answer each respectively that would be great.

1. "The disclosure project" legitimate correct? all of it?

2. Bob Lazar, also legitimate? or a government plant?

3. Where are the craft lazar was working on, assuming he’s credible, coming from? USA made entirely? given to us? Recovered?

4. I think ive come to understand the basic principals of the antigravity systems the craft run on, however one thing does confuse me. How do the beings inside the craft keep from flying into the walls and being smashed into a pulp whenever the craft takes off at 10,000 MPH then abruptly, immediately stops...? Do the antigravity generators on the bottom of the craft cancel out the properties of inertia inside the craft? If anyone knows that would be great.


Thanks a lot to anyone who can help, and im sure ill be posting A LOT more questions in the coming days!

sorry if this been answered by the members above

1. The Disclosure Project is about as legitimate as it gets as far as politics, and Goverment/Corperate Witnesses.

2. Bob Lazar seems to be awfully alive for coming out. i would say believe what he says. but don't take
it him the person he claims so litteraly. but for all i know...he's the real deal.

3. it was a captured/shot down/crashed Extra-Terrestial space craft he helped reverse engineered.
to produce Terrrestial man made space craft that are capable of the same things of the ET space craft.

4. well lol. if anyone really knew that...they would be rich or killed lol.
but my theory is...the matter just outside the ship and inside are isolated somehow.
i think ET's travel more by splitting time, and moving thru demensions you can call them, and instead
of traveling like 10x's the speed of light...they should open a invisible hole and kinda step thru it
like a threshhold. who knows tho...certainly not the public.

yes the UFOlogy scene is cluttered with personal opinons/beliefs/info/"disinfo" it can be confusing
to "know" the truth. but you have to look at it with a open mind. and don't just believe what you hear.
what im saying is just because you don't know for something to be true, does not mean its not.
use your common sense and decide for yourself...and if you rely on physical evidence, the smart thing
is to stop where you are and don't go any further into the subject. because chances are you won't believe.
anyone with a normal working brain just know we're not alone. i know we're not alone. i know we've been
visited many times. and i know we, us humans, are not indigenous to this planet. the historical evidence
is phenomenal. like the bible, ancient heiroglyphs, ancient recorded text, and of course us...
keep doing your digging.

here's a good video to start with:
Jaimie Maussan UFO Conference - 2005
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=62...71593&q=UFO

welcome to the forum too btw. enjoy your stay:)