Illuminati Strangeness

[SiLVa]

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Quote:Sabretooth, you seem to know Leo.

According to one member of his family, he was repeatedly sexually abused in his teens by his father and a priest who liked to call him "Pinocchio". Do you know if this is in any way true?

I have not seen any solid proof of sexual abuse, and I cannot confirm this. He was however badly abused in other ways by his father, leading to a weird need to somehow gain his father's approval. He was never good enough for his father, and he tries even today to make up for that.

In a conversation with him before he was taken into a mental institution some years ago, he told me about how his planned thelemic gathering in Egypt had as main purpose to fly the various leaders into Sicily where they would meet his father, and tell him what a great guy Leo was. The day before this was about to happen Leo planned a workshop on reincarnation, and would then disclose how he was the incarnation of Cagliostro, Aleister Crowley AND Jesus Christ, all in one, the proper heir to all of OTO (You might have noticed his Khaled Khan XII* OTO signature), and be accepted on the spot as the true head of the OTO.

Unfortunatly for Leo, the leader of the biggest OTO group reacted to Leo claiming him as one of the talkers in a negative way, and asked to be left out of it. This left Leo in a fit of rage, and his started a campaign to smear the OTO, with his at that time masonic friends in UGLE, while at the same time trying to keep the Egypt celebration together. Seeing his plan starting to fail, he then did his best to threaten people into joining him, as remember being presented with a printout of http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/dplanet...t/ok24.htm as evidence of what nasty people the OTO has in its ranks.

He was kicked out of the OTO shortly after this, the planning group behind the Egypt visit disbanded and he started a crusade against one of the people he believed was behind this with more than 3 years of weird e-mails, 100's of text messages, and publishing of personal info all over the place.
This has all come in his periods of illness, and they are happening more often these days. If you look through his website you'll find several references from his former associates about his disease, and wondering if he is doing ok.


/S

Sabretooth would you care to explain to us on this board what your relationship is with Leo, how you got to know Leo and what your intentions are regarding Leo and this forum?

I knew he wouldnt have an answer.

[Shinobi]

sabretooth on a smear campaign it seems ....

[sabretooth]

Quote:I knew he wouldnt have an answer.

See the following post:
Warning :illuminati Spreading False E-mails To Discredit Me In This Forum
OTO/ILLUMINATI AT WORK IN THIS FORUM

I really can't be bothered to apologise for enjoying my xmas and new year vacation, without spending time here...

Have a nice day!

[Shinobi]

^ This guy is on a serious wind up

[Shinobi]

Quote:I know the story too. Unfortunately my source is Leo himself, just before his first psychiatric hospitalization.

Another idiot that signed up just to slander and support the rest of his Illuminazi scum pals ..
dream on! and carry on peddling to another forum you complete twat.

[ephilution]

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Quote:I knew he wouldnt have an answer.

See the following post:
Warning :illuminati Spreading False E-mails To Discredit Me In This Forum
OTO/ILLUMINATI AT WORK IN THIS FORUM

I really can't be bothered to apologise for enjoying my xmas and new year vacation, without spending time here...

Have a nice day!

:biggrin: Good to hear you're having fun here mate. Now, would you care to share with us here what is the raison d'etre of this mysterious gathering referred to as Thelema? What is its goal? Would you also care to explain to us what the reason was for you to join them? Also could you specifically point out to us what claims Leo made are untrue according to you? (and I don't mean claims of the metaphysical)

[Njegosh]

Leo has made several claims that are both untrue and malicious. These include calling John Faerseth "a brain-washed satanist involved in sexual perversions with the local catholic clergy", claiming he is responsible for posting a letter that included Leos's phone number on his previous website, calling a named Norwegian politician "a pervert" and making claims that a Norwegian theatre manager have been involved in church burning. All of these claims can be found around this forum and on Leo's website.

Unfortunately the police are unable to act upon this because of his psychiatric diagnosis even though he has been reported several times.

[j0osh]

hahahah

gotta love them agents...



You aren't fooling anyone.

[sabretooth]

Quote::biggrin: Good to hear you're having fun here mate. Now, would you care to share with us here what is the raison d'etre of this mysterious gathering referred to as Thelema? What is its goal? Would you also care to explain to us what the reason was for you to join them? Also could you specifically point out to us what claims Leo made are untrue according to you? (and I don't mean claims of the metaphysical)

This is almost as entertaining as the south park 9/11 episode. I am currently enjoying that one, so my answer might be a little brief.

Thelema is the philosophy described in Crowley's book of the law from 1904. It is also greek for will, and it is the core of the basic teachings of the OTO.
You've probably seen other people quote the "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Law is the Law, Love under Will". This is described as the most important part of the teachings.
The key word is "Will", which is seen as an expression of natural movement through time and space based upon all the experiences one has had. The sum of these will give a direction to the movement, and acting according to this causes a life in accordance with the natural flow, and what is described as universal freedom, while struggling against causes distress. A lot like drift diving in many ways.

If you are interested you can find a quite good summary of this in the intro here; http://www.library.silver-gate.com/book.pdf

The goal of OTO is to spread this understanding of freedom to all the people interested in listening to it.

When I joined it was with curiosity about ceremonial magic, and with an interest in the way focused will can accomplish changes in the world around you. The first realization about this was that the only thing that can be changed for better or for worse is yourself, and the only one able to actually do this is yourself. Adding a lot of symbols, and making use of rituals are just tools to accomplish this.
I still find this intriguing, and enjoy it very much, as it to me has brought a different perspective on life, with a emphasis on my own responsibility for all I do, and the freedom that comes with that.

Ok, done with the pep-talk :-) I tried to keep it short.


When it comes to your final question, I'll elaborate on that later, but in brief;

we clearly disagree upon:

- the story behind his visit in the mental asylum, and the egypt story
- his position in various masonic and fringe-masonic orders that have expelled him
- his wild accusations against various people
- his illuminati and masonic authority

That's the major points, and now.. back to south park.

have a nice evening!


/S

[ephilution]

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Quote: :biggrin: Good to hear you're having fun here mate. Now, would you care to share with us here what is the raison d'etre of this mysterious gathering referred to as Thelema? What is its goal? Would you also care to explain to us what the reason was for you to join them? Also could you specifically point out to us what claims Leo made are untrue according to you? (and I don't mean claims of the metaphysical)

Thelema is the philosophy described in Crowley's book of the law from 1904. It is also greek for will, and it is the core of the basic teachings of the OTO.
You've probably seen other people quote the "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Law is the Law, Love under Will". This is described as the most important part of the teachings.

I presume you mean "Love is the Law, Love under Will" otherwise the first part would be semantically void and would render the phrase poor of meaning and confusing. The first statement is where I have most difficulties with. If you authorise yourself to do whatever you please then since humans are socially interacting creatures your ambitions are bound to interfere and collide with other peoples ambitions and goal perseverance. At times of such collisions who gains the ethical upper hand in carrying on with accomplishing one's goals? There's no moral safety net for potential victims who happened to stand in the way of people who take the law into their own hands as is justified with the "Do As Thou Wilt" slogan.

Secondly, to make both law declaring statements mutually compatible one has to assert that "Do What Thou Wilt" and "Love" are semantically one and the same. That's quite some kind of love. Now personally I'd very much favor to carry out whatever incentive pops up in my head but I also feel that any incentive has to give way to and be overruled by my higher sense of morality as soon as the incentive would or could hurt some other person in one way or another. Freedom is a worthy ideal to strive after but there are some basic social laws of conduct that need to be respected or society would all too soon be subjected to anarchy and may ultimately self-destruct. And given the perversity of society and the great many psychos that fill up its ranks I don't think that would be such a difficult to attain doomsday scenario.

Quote:The key word is "Will", which is seen as an expression of natural movement through time and space based upon all the experiences one has had. The sum of these will give a direction to the movement, and acting according to this causes a life in accordance with the natural flow, and what is described as universal freedom, while struggling against causes distress. A lot like drift diving in many ways.

If you are interested you can find a quite good summary of this in the intro here; http://www.library.silver-gate.com/book.pdf

The goal of OTO is to spread this understanding of freedom to all the people interested in listening to it.

Cheers for the link Sabre, will have a look later on. Freedom is great, I just doubt that most people are mature enough to handle it properly and not to abuse it to dominate and exploit other people. By the way, this seems to be the very problem the elite is having 'trying' to govern us. It kinda begs the contention that they may be more fond of Crowley than Jesus.

Quote:When I joined it was with curiosity about ceremonial magic, and with an interest in the way focused will can accomplish changes in the world around you. The first realization about this was that the only thing that can be changed for better or for worse is yourself, and the only one able to actually do this is yourself. Adding a lot of symbols, and making use of rituals are just tools to accomplish this.
I still find this intriguing, and enjoy it very much, as it to me has brought a different perspective on life, with a emphasis on my own responsibility for all I do, and the freedom that comes with that.

Ok, done with the pep-talk :-) I tried to keep it short.

How do you judge these changes to be good or bad? Also, what can be good for you couldn't this be bad for someone else? Don't you see the need for an ethical failsafe system that protects those around you from your OTO stunts?

Have a nice evening and I'm glad at least one of us enjoyed the 911 Southpark episode. :biggrin:

[shZ]

It took you agents this long to respond? Wow, I thought you guys would be a little more competent at spreading disinfo than that.:rolleyes:This isn't a sheeple forum, you're wasting your time.