The 3 Unworthy Craftsmen?

[strawman]

Amidst a somewhat brutally painful interview on the Rick Adams (does this guy know how to manage his callers?) show last night on RBN, Alan Watt was discussing the masonic signatures at the JFK assassination and on September 11. He raised a point I had never heard discussed before.

Regarding JFK (the killing of the king, with the brain exposed to the sun) - he talked about the masonic nature of Dealey plaza (trident shape, pyramid building in behind, and the court with dragon atop it behind the pyramid) but then mentioned the three 'Juwes' in the form of the three transients that were always discussed in the media's reporting of the murder. He then continues to discuss 911 with the three Israelis (Jews = Juwes) caught taking pictures as the towers burned. Further he mentioned the Jack the Ripper case (having just seen From Hell this rang familiar with me), and after one murder reference to the Juwes was written on the wall.

What I could gather was the Juwes were Jahbulon, and two other J's I am not familiar with, but I understand these are the 3 unworthy craftsmen. Could someone on the board expand on this, as it's an angle I'd never heard of, but sounds worthy of more discussion.

Thanks

[ephilution]

I have no idea what you mean mate. I'll have to listen to the show first. For those not in the know, the show at hand can be found @

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Rick07.html

[strawman]

The discussion in question happens in the first hour, around the 15 minute mark.

[Lee]

The Jewes is a reference to the three guys who killed Hiram Abiff.. apparently.

[watcherof]

remember it is Juwes not Jews
to suggest they are the same is nonsense.

If indeed Juwes does relate to those responsible for the death in Masonic tradition Jews would not be the meaning of the word as it was in Israel and most if not all of the population would have been Jewish

quote from this site
http://www.moria.co.nz/horror/fromhell.htm

Quote:What is even more infuriating is From Hell's reliance on one of the hokier Ripper theories - that the killings were really organized by a Freemason conspiracy in order to protect the country from finding out about Prince Albert Victor's marriage to a prostitute in a Catholic ceremony. This is a theory that was put forward in a 1973 BBC documentary and then elaborated by Stephen Knight in his book Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1976). This is an ingenious theory, no denying, but one that has little real plausibility outside of the rampant alarmism of conspiracy theory and one that has been criticized by Ripperologists for its basis more in hearsay and unfounded speculation than in any hard supporting evidence. The idea of Prince Albert Victor marrying a Whitechapel prostitute is akin to say Prince Charles having an illicit affair with a $5 crack whore. One piece of 'proof' that Stephen Knight bases his argument on is a piece of graffiti found several blocks from the Catherine Eddowes murder - "The Juwes are not men that will not be blamed for nothing," which Stephen Knight inventively suggests was not, as always assumed, a misspelling of 'Jews' but rather reference to three mythical Freemason assassins. What Knight fails to take into account is the likelihood of his theory - first of all there is no proof the graffiti even came from the Ripper's hand. Secondly did anybody think that the world of half-a-dozen gin-soaked whores would be taken seriously enough to unseat an empire? Nor do the killings really seem like assassinations - if the women were being assassinated, someone might slit their throats - but rather the women were extensively butchered and sexually mutilated, clearly indication that the killer wasn't so much carrying out their duty as they were enjoying what they were doing. And lastly, is it really likely considering the secrecy with which the Freemasons usually carry out their business that one of the assassins, fleeing the scene in an area that was being heavily patrolled by the police, would stop to write a cryptic, not to mention grammatically incoherent, piece of graffiti advertising their presence? It should also be pointed out that the Freemason conspiracy and Annie Crook story did not emerge until 1973, not at the time of the Ripper murders, and that Inspector Abberline himself was insistent up until his death that Jack the Ripper was the Polish barber Severin Klosowski/George Chapman, whose name is not even mentioned in the film. The fact that the only Jack the Ripper films to air any of the theories argued in Ripperology - Murder By Decree and this - resort to this complicated and improbable theory says something about the public fascination with conspiracy theories.

[strawman]

Quote:remember it is Juwes not Jews
to suggest they are the same is nonsense.

If indeed Juwes does relate to those responsible for the death in Masonic tradition Jews would not be the meaning of the word as it was in Israel and most if not all of the population would have been Jewish

I never meant to suggest that Jews and Juwes were interchangeable - it was a poor choice of phrasing on my part. I meant that Jews were used taking pics from the moving van on 911 as the word Jews is an homonym for Juwes, and thus Watt's connotation that this was a masonic signature of their involvement in the event.

It's most important to hear the words as they are spoken for when you read them their 'spell' is cast on you.... :cool:

[SerialExpLain]

You know it gets rather heady and surreal. You watch TV and secret societies are generally a taboo subject, but then the insipid programming brings you to the internet. There you find a NEWS FLASH the world you really live in was not the world you were told it was.

Masons were supposed to be good guys, charitable and all that. I remember being a kid and while out riding in the car asking my mom about what masons did, because there were so many masonic license plates, I remember being perplexed by all the secrecy.

So once you land on the internet, things become pretty heady -- this mountain of disclosure -- and its like whoa...not that too...damm THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING!! You would have thought they would have needed lodges the size of stadiums. Ah, the power of money.:umm:

[Soul Real]

This is from http://en.allexperts.com/e/j/ju/juwes.htm


I have heard this before but it is uncertain and theoretical.

Juwes
Juwes1.jpg

A still from the 1978 movie Murder by Decree, which depicts the word "Juwes"
The word Juwes reportedly appeared in chalk graffiti on a wall in the Whitechapel district of London following the killing and mutilation of Catherine Eddowes on September 30, 1888 as part of the Jack the Ripper series of murders.

Various police at the time could not agree on whether the word in question was spelled Juwes, Juews or Jewes, or perhaps some other variant. The newspapers had widely reported that the police were at the time looking for a Jewish suspect nicknamed "Leather Apron".

Some people do not believe the killer had anything to do with the graffiti in question and point out that the building upon which it was found was the residence of several members of that faith and could have merely been anti-Semitic scrawlings unrelated to the case.
Proposed Masonic connection
Author Stephen Knight claimed that Juwes is a word in Freemasonry to refer to Jubelo, Jubela and Jubelum, the three killers of Hiram Abif, a legendary figure in Masonic ritual.

Knight made his claims about the word "Juwes" as part of his argument that the Ripper killings were committed by a royal conspiracy with the help of Freemasons in the police. Knight went on to write a book, The Brotherhood, which set out to claim the Freemasons were involved in any number of other conspiracies.

[Fou Cault]

The blame placed on Leather Apron, which started after the first murder and then escalated because the second murder site, a backyard, had a Leather Apron drying outside, must be the obvious reference. The killer would know if he was blamed for nothing or not.
I think the Apron presented itself by coincidence in the first two murders and then the killer, knowing full-well the Masonic association of the Apron, was inspired to go with the Masonic signature and the fourth murder, committed in Mitre Square, had the fourth victim's apron beneath the grafitto.
Ripper author, Stan Russo, suggests on a Ripper podcast espisode, that the killer was sending a message to the Masons but wasn't one himself.

I don't dismiss a conspiracy along the lines of Stephen Knight's Final Solution. My research leads me to the conclusion Mary Kelly, the final victim, DID have a secret child with a high ranking Mason from the Marlborough Club. The Freemasons may have thought the killer was one of their own and interfered with the investigation. They certainly covered up the identity of Mary Kelly and her child.
Three worthy "candidates" Feldman, Cantor and Rubenstein, a Ripperologist, profiler and history professor respectively, all promote James Maybrick, the brother of composer Michael Maybrick, as Jack the Ripper, which tends to lend credence to the possibility the Freemason father was none other than Sir Arthur Sullivan.

[Fou Cault]

Dealey Plaza--Site of first Masonic lodge in Dallas, Masonic configuration, "trident shape, pyramid building in behind" (strawman).

Zodiac--liked Mikado, operetta written by Freemason, Arthur Sullivan; geographic configuration to murder sites.

Jack the Ripper--Masonic connection, possible geographic configuration (Vesica Pisces or perhaps, unicurcal hexagram, occult symbol created by Freemason Aleister Crowley.)

Jimmy Hoffa--Freemason