The Kiddies Keeping The Holocaust Myth Alive [Warning: Load Times]

[Frank2]

(11-21-2012 05:49 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 04:43 PM)Frank2 Wrote:  see if you can find that

Sorry, buddy. I'm not doing your work.

Too busy fapping to Alan Watt?

here you are:

Quote: "ONE PROOF ... ONE SINGLE PROOF":
THIRTY-NINE CRIMINAL TRACES

A complete list of the “criminal traces” or “slips” found in the archives of the Auschwitz State Museum and the Warsaw Central Commission concerning the homicidal gas chambers in Birkenau Krematorien II, III, IV and V, presented together with original documents and two recapitulatory drawings by the author.

“ONE PROOF... ONE SINGLE PROOF”

[Request formulated by Robert Faurisson in an article on page 13 of the newspaper “Le Monde” of 16th January 1979, then used as a title for his letter of 29th February 1979 addressed in right of reply to the same newspaper, which refused to publish it. and which its author nevertheless published in his “Mémoire en défense” [statement for the defence], La Vieille Taupe, 1980, pages 96 to 100.]

Faurisson asked for “one proof... one single proof” of the existence of homicidal gas chambers. The “traditional” historians provided him with an “abundance of proofs” which were virtually all based on human testimony, from SS and surviving former prisoners and Sonderkommando men. But human testimony is fallible. It is unreliable and Faurisson wanted a CONCRETE historical proof, that is proof based on incontestable and irrefutable documents. Four types of historical document would meet these stringent criteria:


photographs and
films made between 1942 and the end of 1944 in KL Auschwitz.
German letters and documents,
original drawings concerned with the camp.


So far as we know at present, no film was made recording the extermination of a transport. On the other hand, there is no lack of photographs of Krematorien under construction or completed (in the “Bauleitung Album” not yet published) and of the arrival of four convoys of Hungarian Jews and selections of two of them (in “L’Album d’Auschwitz” by S. Klarsfeld and Seuil). The main obstacle to using these last photographs as evidence is that, except for three of them, they present only views of “peaceful country scenes” against a background of barbed wire. The SS photographers did actually go inside some of the Krematorien, but they did not record the final act, extermination in gas chambers. Some members of the Sonderkommando, according to the deposition by one of them, Henryk Tauber, took photographs showing corpses in the gas chambers, but after being buried near Krematorien II and III, these vital photographs have never been found, and if by chance they should be discovered now, they will be irretrievably damaged after over 40 years in the ground. We also have the three photographs known as the “Polish Resistance” photographs recording the incineration of bodies in a ditch behind Krematorium V in the summer of 1944 and of naked women with their backs to this same Krematorium. They are certainly of exemplary value, but are difficult to use in view of their small number and, like those of the “L’Album d’Auschwitz”, cannot be presented as definitive proof.

As for the technical drawings of the Krematorien, cited in legal actions and described as proving that they were planned for large scale assassination by gas (which is in fact incorrect). NOT ONE explicitly mentions in so many words anything like: Blausaüre (prussic acid) Vergasungs- or Gaskammer or -keller [gassing or gas chamber or cellar]. This is not because the drawings were “camouflaged” in any way, but is simply because the buildings concerned were converted from their original function, cremation pure and simple, and transformed for criminal use, so that the compromising words could not have been written on the original drawings of Krematorien II and III, and were probably left out on those of IV and V.

In the final analysis, there remain only the various items of correspondence and offical documents of German origin. Through the “slips” that can be found in them, they form a convincing body of presumptive evidence and clearly indicate the presence in the four Birkenau Krematorien (II, III, IV and V) of gas chambers using a prussic acid disinfestation agent sold under the name of “Zyklon-B”. In 1979-80, it was impossible to go any further than this, i.e. to demonstrate with the aid of “concrete” documents that these gas chambers had been used to execute human beings. At the end of the “Faurisson trial”, nobody had yet managed to produce “one proof ... one single proof” of the existence of “homicidal gas chambers” in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

In the absence of any “direct”, i.e. palpable, indisputable and evident proof (lacking so far as we know at present) such as a photograph of people killed by a toxic gas in an enclosed space that can be perfectly located and identified, or of a label on a Krematorium drawing of a “Gaskammer um Juden zu vergiften / gas chamber for poisoning Jews” an “indirect” proof may suffice and be valid. By “ndirect”, proof, I mean a German document that does not state in black and white that a gas chamber is for HOMICIDAL purposes, but one containing evidence that logically it is impossible for it to be anything else.

The first document [Document A] presented here is an inventory of equipment installed in Krematorium III and formed part of the file of documents compiled for the official handover of the new building to the camp administration.

[Auschwitz State Museum Archives reference BW 30/43, page 24. This document, held in the “October Revolution” Central State Archives in Moscow was sent by this body in 1964-65 to the Warsaw Central Commission for the investigation of Hitlerite crimes in Poland, which sent it under a covering letter of 30th October 1968 to the Vienna assize court to be part of the evidence in the trial of the Auschwitz Krematorium “architects”, former SS officers Walter DEJACO and Fritz ERTL. This trial was held from 18th January to 10th March 1972 and ended with the acquittal of the accused. The documents sent by the Poles to the Austrians were scarcely used by the “experts”, which explains the astonishing verdict of not guilty, in particular for Dejaco.]

This inventory indicates that the equipment installed for “Leichenkeller 1 / Corpse cellar [morgue] 1” included:

· “1 gasdichte Tür / 1 gas-tight door,” AND
· “14 Brausen / 14 showers”,

two items that are strictly INCOMPATIBLE with one another. This incompatibility constitutes the fundamental proof, for it is clear that:

Proposition A: A gas-tight door can be intended only for a gas chamber.

Question A: Why does a gas chamber have showers in it?

Reply A: Incomprehensible. Proposition A must be formulated differently for a logical reply.

Proposition B: A room fitted with showers is a place where people wash themselves.

Question B: Why does the only entrance to the shower room have a gas-tight door?

Reply B: Incomprehensible, Proposition B must be formulated differently for a logical reply.

Which sends us back to proposition A, question A, reply A, proposition B, etc. The reasoning is in a vicious circle which cannot be broken. The only way to escape the illogicality is to bring complementary proof demonstrating that one of the propositions IS INCORRECT. This can he done by means of the following arguments:

· The average area covered by a shower head, calculated on the basis of the drawings for the two shower installations at the Stammlager, the reception building (BW 160) and Block 26. and for those at Birkenau, BW 5a, 5b. and the Zentral Sauna (BW 32), works out at 1.83m²

· On this basis. Leichenkeller 1 of Krematorium III, with a floor area of 210m2, should have 115 shower heads.

· In fact only 14 were planned and we know that they were FITTED, because seven wooden bases to which similar shower heads were fitted are still visible in the ruins of the ceiling of L-keller 1 of Krema II.

· On one of the copies of the Krematorium II/III inventory drawing 2197, that from the Soviet “October Revolution” central state archives, water pipes are shown supplying the 3 taps of Leichenkeller 1 and the 5 of Leichenkeller 2, but none are connected to the “showers”, This is paradoxical because on this version of drawing 2197 even the lamps are drawn and on various other drawings showing shower installations the shower heads are necessarily shown and the associated pipework usually appears also.

· It can only be concluded that these are DUMMY SHOWERS, made of wood or other materialls, and painted, as stated by several former memhers of the Sonderkommando

This inventory is absolute and irrefutable proof of the existence of a gas chamber fitted with dummy showers in Krematorium III.

These dummy showers were not placed there by chance, or for purposes of decoration, but with a very precise purpose: to mislead the people entering Leichenkeller 1 / gas chamber l, a misrepresentation implying the deliberate intention to cause them to die by inhaling a deadly gas.

These Krematorium inventories. drawn up when the buildings were completed, also provide an almost incredible supplementary proof: mention of the device for introducing Zyklon-B into a Leichenkeller. The second document [Documents B and B'] [Auschwitz State Museum Archive reference BW 30/43, page 12, also from a Soviet source] contains a flagrant error on the part of the SS man who filled in the form.

The first line indicates that in the basement of Krematorium II, "Raum I, Leichenkeller / Room I, corpse cellar" was fitted with:

· “16 Lamp o. Kug, u. Tel. Feuchtsicher / 16 lamps other than globes, waterproof” and
· “5 Zapfhühne / 5 taps”.

The second line shows that “Raum 2 / room 2”, idem. [Leichenkeller] was fitted with:

· “10 Lamp o. Kug. u. Tel. Feuchtsicher / 10 lamps other than globes. waterproof”
· “3 Zapfhühne / 3 taps”,
· “4 Drahtnetzeinschiebvorrichtung / 4 wire mesh introduction devices” and
· “4 Holzblenden / 4 wooden covers.”

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...0429.shtml

[GasseGeir]

(11-21-2012 06:10 PM)Frank2 Wrote:  About the Jews' fear of showers.

I'll give you a logical problem to ponder. The Nizkor horror stories tell of naked Jews being forced by angry Nazis with sticks and angry barking dogs to the chambers of death. Occasionally to the sound of music.

...

And then there were dummy showers on the walls.

Why? They've already been forced into the room, so it makes no difference.

[Frank2]

(11-21-2012 06:55 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 06:10 PM)Frank2 Wrote:  About the Jews' fear of showers.

I'll give you a logical problem to ponder. The Nizkor horror stories tell of naked Jews being forced by angry Nazis with sticks and angry barking dogs to the chambers of death. Occasionally to the sound of music.

...

And then there were dummy showers on the walls.

Why? They've already been forced into the room, so it makes no difference.

Relying on Nizkor testimonies? Perhaps, it was more clinical.

[GasseGeir]

(11-21-2012 07:30 PM)Frank2 Wrote:  "Perhaps"

Yes, you like this word.

I'll enjoy a nice shower while I wait for evidence that the Nazis holocausted as much as a single Jew in the Nazi concentration camps in WWII.



Here's some money you can use to buy a cup of coffee or two. It's on me:

[Negentropic]

Don't forget the medically inspected brothel and the sauna !

http://holocaustdenial.com/Zyklon_B/judi...hwitz.html


http://www.air-photo.com/english/sauna.html


Who was that clown that claimed they fed people to bears & eagles ?

Quote: The story

"In the camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle, and every day, they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would pick at his bones."

"But that's unbelievable," whispered a visitor.

"It is unbelievable," said Mr. Hubert, "but it happened."


Extermination by bear and eagle at Buchenwald

Time 'Too Painful' to Remember

The Golden Age Club in the basement of an upper Manhattan synagogue was abuzz with gossip, laughter and the shuffle of cards when the rabbi, himself 79 years old, struck a spoon against a metal ash tray to get everyone's attention.

In the [Buchenwald] camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle. Every day they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would pick his bones."
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Source:

ARI L. GOLDMAN
New York Times New York, N.Y.
Nov 10, 1988
pg. A10, 1 pgs


http://www.historiography-project.com/cl...-eagl.html

What a moron !


The Mark Weber Report: holohoax deceit: ‘Remembrance,’ and Reality - 04 / 25 / 2012

http://reasonradionetwork.com/downloads/...120425.mp3



Deanna Spingola Interviews Thomas Goodrich, author of Hellstorm, the Death of National Socialist Germany, 1944-1947 - 10 / 31 / 2012 (Aberdeen Books, 2010), 303-795-1890

http://www.spingola.com/ThomasGoodrichHe...103112.mp3

http://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Na...097138522X





http://archive.org/details/TalesOfTheHol...alOfSatire

[GasseGeir]

He he!

[SirBustaBear]

(11-21-2012 04:04 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  You are the crazy conspiracy theorist - not me.

Wrong. I delivered many links to tons of references that you would have to study yourself if you seriously care about the truth at all. The only thing you have proven so far in that regard is your ignorance. The only thing you have mentioned so far that would be able to support your wild claim of a conspiracy of forgers and torturers is the Höß interrogation. And I can easily show that even that single instance among many, many Nazi testimonies (it wasn't just that one Nuremberg trial, you know) is flimsy. Actually I have already delivered the links that show that the known evidence (2 pieces) do not necessarily support your wild claim and even contradict your overall claim, as both sources actually confirm the factuality of the Shoah in general.

And it's not "horror stories from Nizkor" – why the need for such a derogatory term here? Afraid of the evidence Nizkor delivers? Nizkor just summarizes evidence from established sources like historical books, court records etc.. Unlike your regular Shoah denier he references this material in a scholarly way. He is able to see the bigger picture where evidence confirms each other and thus a consistent explanation is delivered. This is what real historians usually do, and yes, by times revisions of that picture are necessary. Your regular Shoah denier on the other hand usually focusses endlessly on tiny details and thinks if he can only debunk this tiny bit it would nullify ALL of the huge amount of evidence. Shermer once pointed out how wrong this approach is:

Quote:"Deniers seem to think that if they can just find one tiny crack in the Holocaust structure, the entire edifice will come tumbling down. This is the fundamental flaw in their reasoning. The Holocaust was not a single event... The Holocaust was thousands of events in tens of thousands of places, and is proved by the millions of bits of data that converge on one conclusion.”

Michael Shermer: „Why people believe weird things – Pseudoscience, superstition and other confusions of our time”

I would formulate it a bit differently: much of the evidence confirms each other and thus delivers a consistent bigger picture. Shoah deniers on the other hand never deliver a consistent picture that is able to explain the massive evidence and is alltogether more plausible than the view established by real historians. In fact they have not half the amount of hard evidence for their wild fantasy claim of a conspiracy of an army of Jewish forgers and torturers. Instead they endlessly try to disprove tiny details, often only by indirect means in order to spread doubt. Additionally they were caught many, many times how they lied and distorted historical facts, as I have shown several times already in this forum. Simple as that.

Another fitting quote from the brilliant Michael Shermer:

Quote:They focus on what is not known and ignore what is known, carefully selecting data that fit and ignoring data that do not fit their preconceived ideas. (Deniers stress what we do not know about the gas chambers and disregard eyewitness accounts, as well as photographs of the chambers in operation.)

Michael Shermer: „Denying History – Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it?”

Our "friend" GasseGeir with his wild conspiracy theory that must have included hundreds of yet undetected instructors, forgers and torturers thinks he can make very specific demands (hint: it takes historians to write complete books to make sound estimates of the number of victims based on different methods, like demographics – how to present that in the scope of a forum post? Mr. GasseGeir would have to read such a book himself) and if they are not met he can dismiss all and any evidence already referenced. Sorry buddy, that is not how the science of history works at all.

Quote:Prove that the Nazis holocausted a single Jew.

A serious question here would be: what kind of evidence could make a Shoah denier with a declared Neo-Nazi agenda make rethink his position? Obvious answer: Nothing. His cognitive dissonance is always stronger.

It always amazes me, to what degree the human mind is capable to develop some form of cognitive dissonance whenever the own belief system (in this case: a Neo-Nazi belief system) is endangered by inconvenient evidence.




Article regarding the Auschwitz brothel, that puts the wild 'the-concentration-camps-were-just-recreational-facilities-and-all-inmates-were-living-happily-ever-after' claim into a more realistic perspective:

http://web.archive.org/web/2008051021523...ale&id=672


Putting the Shoah deniers' endless soap & lampshades argument into perspective:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/technique...ap-01.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...-myth.html
Michael Shermer & Alex Grobman, "Denying History – Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it?" (see pages 114-117)

Quote:36) What evidence exists for the charge that the Nazis used the bodies of Jews to make, among other things, soap and lampshades?

Some evidence exists that this was done on a small, experimental scale. In any event, it is not critical to the Holocaust, but rather a sadistic by-product of it. "Revisionists" try to use this red herring to deflect discussion from the overwhelming proof of the Holocaust.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial/...m-qa.shtml

Quote:Yet most historians do not believe it. Deniers exploit this confusion, claiming it is a clear example of Holocaust myth-making, the unreliability of eyewitness testimony, and poor historiography.

"Denying History – Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it?"

Putting the Shoah deniers' Anne Frank argument into perspective:
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/annefrank2
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/annefrank1
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/annefrank3
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...html#qar56
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact#frank
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/f/f...ts-deniers
Deborah Lipstadt, "Denying the Holocaust – The growing assault on Truth and Memory" (see pages 223-228)

(11-21-2012 04:04 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  "Welcome to the super hi-tech Nazi gas chamber. Be sure to close the air-tight door."

First of all: you don't deliver any info on your claim here, where was this photograph supposedly taken, it could be anywhere. Second: you are aware that some of the gas chambers have been blown up by the SS and had been reconstructed after the war? The evidence delivered by Pressac regarding gas tight doors with peepholes clearly debunks your flawed attempt.

This is a typical example of the shady methods of the Shoah deniers.

[GasseGeir]

(11-23-2012 12:04 PM)SirBustaBear Wrote:  I delivered many links to tons of references that you would have to study yourself

Imagine you are in court...

Judge: Can I see the evidence now for that Mr. X gassed 6 million Eskimos?

SirBustaBear: Find it yourself. There's a lot of Eskimo websites on the Internet you can go to and read. Thousands of them. Not my job to prove anything.

..................

Admit the fact that you have absolutely zero proof that the Germans ever holocausted a single Jew. And then we can go on to discussing the real holocaust in WWII.

Real victims of a real holocaust:



A real death camp:

[SirBustaBear]

Another very nice article which reduces the claim of a conspiracy of an army of instructors, forgers and torturers to absurdity:

Quote:The Hoax of the Holocaust. Where's the Evidence?

[…]

No "revisionist" has yet responded to this essay.

[…] hoaxes don't form spontaneously. A hoax implies a hoaxer. There are no scams without scam artists.

What are we really being told? Let's look at the world through their eyes, let's look at things from this fantasy point of view.

Starting in 1942, the Jews began circulating rumors that they were all being killed. These rumors filtered through various news agencies, from various sources.

By 1945, the Jews had forged tens of thousands of Nazi documents, all "proving" that the Nazis had committed mass murder. The Jews invented the whole thing in a whirlwind effort. They invented the places where the gassings took place. They researched and invented the techniques that were used. They forged photographs and wove them into the documentary record.

Their Jewish chemists figured out which perfectly ordinary buildings would be palmed off as gas chambers. They forged reports of how well the gassing operations were going. They forged reports to Hitler saying that the Eastern territories were free of Jews.

They forged inventories of the morgues, saying there were showerheads and gas-tight doors in them. They forged the whole story about SS guards being taken to a special camp to get them used to the idea of killing Jews.

Everything, every bit of it, forged.

[Friedrich Berg:] "People who had been employed primarily to generate such 'evidence.'"

Who was the employer?

How many employees were there?

I work at a fairly small company; my department is about ten people. We don't try to do nearly as much as these fantastic Jewish forgers must have.

I mean, those guys must have been productive! Draftspeople to forge plans for the buildings, chemists to decide how the Nazis would have done the killing, authors to write fake diaries of the Sonderkommando and bury them at Auschwitz (to remain undiscovered for decades) ... voice talent and audio engineers to forge Himmler's hours-long Poznan speeches, writers to decide who would have written what memos to whom, and the typists -- good heavens, can you imagine the number of typists the whole Operation Jewish Forgery would have required!? They literally had to forge the entire workings of a small but significant part of the German government for four or five years.

Right down to the endless pages detailing which military groups took which positions and how many Jews they killed, rows and rows of small numbers, tabulated, formulated. They must have intercepted the actual routes that the Einsatzgruppen took, figured out which prisoners they took, forged documents saying that they'd executed all the Jews, and then inserted the forgeries into the appropriate places. Wow. That's a lot of work. Hundreds of Einsatzgruppen reports to forge. And that's just the Einsatzgruppen, that's just a million or so murders to report. Multiply that times ten, that's the scale we're talking.

Somehow the Jews got their Jew agents to be there when this forged evidence was presented to Hoess and Broad and Kremer and all the dozens of Nazis tried in 1945 and 1946. All of them must have had the same initial reaction: "what!? I never wrote that!?" but the Jew agents, of course, slapped them around a bit until they admitted it was true. And the Jew agents were very good, because every single one of them admitted that it was true. Those agents must have been quite good at making Nazis admit things, because a lot of those Nazis were seasoned military men. Where'd they hire those agents from?

They found a few thousand Jews who were willing to lie through their teeth and say that Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp. They must have held a big meeting, gathered all the survivors together, and briefed them. "OK," the Head Jew would have said, "repeat after me: Auschwitz was not a nice place to live. You did not go swimming at Auschwitz. Auschwitz used its morgues to gas people. In the summer of 1944 they burned bodies in ditches. Everyone on the left, you actually saw people being led to the gas chambers. You on the right, you did not, but you heard a lot about it." And so on.

All in all, the survivors did a good job of remembering their instructions. Sure, some of them went overboard and started talking about huge clouds of smoke billowing out of the crematories when it was actually pretty smoke-free. In fact these minor slip-ups would be the only way that, decades later, revisionists would deduce that they were lying. So overall, they all stuck to their story remarkably well.

And then they did the same thing over and over, for the trials in the 1950s and 1960s. Even for trails that took place in Germany, the Jewish agents found a way to torture innocent German defendants in German jail cells into confessing, before a German court, to crimes they didn't commit.

Most crafty of all, the Jews didn't forge documents that would provide hard links from Hitler to the gas chambers. They refused to forge a "Führer Order" that would indict Hitler. They pretended the gassings were cloaked in secrecy, so they forged documents that spoke only in code-words, and then other documents to link the code-words to murder.

Rather than forge an inventory of the gas chamber in which it was called a "gas chamber," they forged an inventory for a morgue which listed 17 showerheads -- and then let it remain undiscovered for years until researchers realized its importance!

The ultimate in sneaky!

[...]

This whole Jewish-forgery operation must have generated a lot of paperwork as well. How many people must it have taken to do all this? Fifty people? Hell, they'd need fifty typists. A hundred? A thousand?

No, a lot more than that. There are literally truckloads of documentation, and forging the documentation is easy compared to delivering it to the right places, and figuring out who did what, what to forge, and who to falsely accuse, and making all of it fit together.

Making it all fit is the toughest part. The false can't contradict the true documents in the record, and has to have corroborating documents as well. For every document showing a nugget of direct implication, there must be a dozen that relate indirectly, and a hundred other documents have to be checked and cross-checked to verify everything fits.

Ten thousand people, maybe?

And here I'll drop the fantasy-italics, because here's where the fantasy meets the reality. I'm told that Microsoft employees send and receive a million email messages a week. Let's say that Operation Jewish Forgery was about as big as Microsoft is. They would have needed approximately as many communications as Microsoft does.

Let's say that about half of those were oral, and that they succeeded in burning 99.9% of the written ones. That leaves about 500,000 written communications between the members of this fantasy Operation Jewish Forgery. And, counting the survivors who'd been briefed on their stories, the Nazis who were paid off to go along with the whole thing, and the forgers themselves, I figure there were something like 20,000 people after the war who knew about Operation Jewish Forgery.

500,000 documents, and 20,000 witnesses. As a very rough guess.

Here's my question to you, "revisionist scholars."

Where are they?

Where are all these documents of the forgery? Where are all the witnesses to this scam operation? Oh sure, we understand that you think most Jews are such liars and cheats that, even if they weren't briefed on the "Holohoax," they'd go along with it anyway just to get money for Israel. But would all Jews go along with the story? Wouldn't you think that somewhere, maybe, there would be a few honest Jews who would admit that they'd been pulling the wool over our eyes?

Where are they?

Or is this some insane conspiracy theory, where the very lack of evidence only proves how insidious the conspirators were?

These pieces of paper, the one in a thousand that hypothetically survived. They must be scattered throughout Eastern Europe, little scraps of paper that say things like "Dear Isaac -- please don't forget to leak Document 495B-14 to the London Times on August 13, as we agreed. Signed, Abraham."

Where are they?

Show me anything. I want one memo between members of Operation Jewish Forgery, one written piece of evidence that something went on. I want one inmate of Auschwitz to come forward and said that there was no gassing going on, that it was a big hoax. (Christophersen and Stäglich come closest, but they were, as they admit, nowhere near the gas chambers: they were interned in different subcamps. Christophersen was growing dandelions a mile away from Birkenau. Did anyone get in touch with them after the war and tell them to lie about what they saw? Of course not; they never say any such thing.)

I don't insist of having a top-of-the-line smoking gun, the one document that proves not only the conspiracy but exactly what it was doing. I just want some corroborating evidence, even a little bit.

I'm not talking about a report about Rudolf Höss being beaten up. Nobody is surprised that accused war criminals were often mistreated by their captors. But if I'm supposed to believe he was tortured, and his family threatened, in order to make him tell a specific story -- how about something from the conspirators who organized the beating? How about a document sent to, from, or about his family? How about anything that will verify, or even hint at, the existence of the conspirators?

I don't think I'm out of line in asking for one little detail about how this huge forging operation was carried out. Not when Mr. Berg makes demands on his opponents like:

Surely, the hatemongers can tell us something about those monstrously amazing Diesels-of-Death. Surely, from their "mountains" of "eyewitness testimony" they can tell us whether the Diesels were outside in the open, or inside the vehicles (tank or truck or whatever), or inside a room. Surely, they can tell us whether they were V-12 or inline-sixes or whatever -- whether they were connected to something like a huge fan or bonecrusher or something. These Diesels were, supposedly, the greatest mass murder devices in the entire history of the world -- and we don't even have a picture.

If Mr. Berg feels it acceptable to ask me how many cylinders a Nazi engine had, I don't think it's out of line for me to ask him (and Greg Raven, and Bradley Smith, and Ernst Zündel, and whoever else wants to try answering):

Give me one piece of documentation, or one testimony, that serves as evidence for this alleged massive hoax, this insane conspiracy theory.

Just one.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/the-hoax.shtml

[GasseGeir]

(11-28-2012 04:01 PM)SirBustaBear Wrote:  Give me one piece of documentation, or one testimony, that serves as evidence for this alleged massive hoax, this insane conspiracy theory.

The Holocaust is the conspiracy theory.

I'm just saying it never happened. And it is a logical impossibility to prove a non-event.

[mdparker]

(03-25-2007 06:17 PM)Ognir Wrote:  http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74905

Was doing a search for something and came across this thread with this bunch of retards.

Got to page 2 and had to stop.

Retard dadaxtra Wrote

Quote:I guess 6 million Jewish people just pulled a ninja vanish and disappeared from Germany.

Perfect example of pulling numbers out of the air, there were never 6m Jews in Germany

Retard Mochtroid-X wrote

Quote:Seems Eisenhower's (it was him who made the German citizens take a tour of the camp near their town right?)

Called retard nonsense, I'm on the Internet, let's make shit up that I know fuck all about

Retard eaststand wrote

Quote:obviously these people are idiots and really shouldnt be allowed to talk.

:freaked:this shit is funny, damn I'm laughing my ass off here :biggrin: :biggrin:

Retard gavnat wrote

Quote:
Anyone who tries to come out and say it didn't happen has to be a total f#@kwit. Six million (i've read it closer to 10 million)

where did yu read that? some comic? fuckwad

Retard Humina Humina wrote

Quote:
Freedom of speech is one thing, but when it is used to propagate dangerous lies and falsehood, the people resposible should be 're educated'.

ConCen is fucked

Retard nitsnipe wrote

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I still do not get what these revisionist are trying to achieve by this. Whether it was 6 million or 2 million those are still human lives that were wiped off from existence.

Shit it was 10 million a minute ago, how about a real investigation, DNA the whole lot, examine the water-tables ?

Same idiot

Quote:But something that not a lot of people seem to clearly know about is the fact that the Nazis purchased and used IBM machines(were they were called computers at that time) to register and keep track of the whole process of holocaust. On the punch cards they kept track of names, ages, method of execution etc.. for each person.

Holy shit, RichardHead here is on to something "method of execution" why has no one ever seen them then you fuckin moron?

and my favorite

BRAVE Retard candyman1055 wrote

Quote:I'm sorry im all about free opinion, but if someone said the holocaust never existed, i would punch them in the mouth

Can someone tell this gaywad where I am as I'm waiting

Talk about pulling facts of your ass ...........................

I do not understand how anyone could think what happened during the Holocaust is funny or something to laugh about. There is more that went on then what they tell you in the history books. But you people dare take this as a light situation. Millions of people, not only Jews, but even polish people were killed. Hitler was demonic in his ways and influenced people to commit murder against innocent people so he could create this pure race. What some of you don't know is that he stole these ideas from the US. These people did not deserve to die, yet some people r foolish to think this did not happen. The Germans were very detailed oriented and kept records of everyone. It is also possible that there are people not recorded as well. If you don't think 6 million Jews were brutally murdered, then I question your mindset and humanity. Regardless, of anyone's thinking, I know the truth and God will avenged his people. This is all prophecy coming to life. Every war, every devastation has already been predicted thousands of years before it has happened. The Jews have been persecuted from the beginning of time; however, God hears their cries, also the cries of all his people. You may doubt and not believe, but soon enough the truth will be exposed before your very eyes. Be careful people what you write about people who have been hurt, especially when you have a vague understanding of all that went on.

[bjantigua]

Thanks everyone for the info. I am wondering why no one has mentioned the more exhaustive and detailed anaysis of the holocaust, the documentary One Third The Holocaust, and the incredible documentary by David Cole, which are available at http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/. I challenge anyone that has never viewed these to check them out. They show documents, visit the actual sites and interview survivors. Remember that the German military were captured by US forces, and would do or say whatever they were asked to. Also, there is no way physically to bury all those bodies. Any why haven't they been exhumed? No one has ever tried to dig there, and they would not be allowed, as what an uproar to find just dirt! Google typhus images. Hardly any photos to be found. Type measles though and you will see plenty. Because if you look at the few photos I found http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScra...th01.html, they look just like the movies of survivors at Auchwitz. No discussion of the holocaust can be on sound footing without an adequate knowledge of the terror of typhus, as diseases killed as many or more soldiers than conflict in any war before or including WWII. Finally, why doesn't anyone care about the 10 million Christians that Stalin killed during the war?

[macfadden]

(12-10-2012 12:26 AM)bjantigua Wrote:  Finally, why doesn't anyone care about the 10 million Christians that Stalin killed during the war?

!O mazillion born agains? Slaughtered? Stalin? Doesn't? War? Care? During? LULZ?

[SirBustaBear]

(11-28-2012 07:39 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  The Holocaust is the conspiracy theory.

I'm just saying it never happened. And it is a logical impossibility to prove a non-event.

Mr. GasseGeir was trolling here again. Look, it's quite simple: you claim that the huge alleged conspiracy of Jewish instructors, forgers and torturers is an event, not a non-event. Thus it is not only logically possible but it is imperative that you deliver documentary proof for the existence of this conspiracy. So far you have not delivered one single piece of such documentary proof.



Body disposal at Auschwitz – The end of Holocaust-denial
http://holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

Mass graves + their investigation
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...camps.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...ensic.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...cists.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...cists.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...cists.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...i-yar.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...nazis.html

"Neither the Soviets nor the Poles have found any mass graves with even only a few thousand bodies"
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.d...found.html

Friedrich Paul Berg yelled for "PHOTOS photos of gassing victims
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...hotos.html