Anarchism In America

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Quote:you want anarchy, move to south africa or other 3rd world countries, thats about as close as you will get to a free'er society.

Yeah a 3rd world owned by US mega corporations were workers are payed like shit and military dictators run the show.
South Africa?

Anarchism IS communism(Yes,learn what communism really it)
Classless,stateless society managed by the Proletarian class
(Unless your a anarcho-capitalist)

The Paris Commune and Anarchist Catalonia during The Spanish Civil War set up by Anarcho-Syndacalists,and Trotskyists and the best examples of true communism,along with the October Revolution in its early stages.

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Quote:you want anarchy, move to south africa or other 3rd world countries, thats about as close as you will get to a free'er society.

Yeah a 3rd world owned by US mega corporations were workers are payed like shit and military dictators run the show.
South Africa?

Anarchism IS communism(Yes,learn what communism really it)
Classless,stateless society managed by the Proletarian class
(Unless your a anarcho-capitalist)

The Paris Commune and Anarchist Catalonia during The Spanish Civil War set up by Anarcho-Syndacalists*,and Trotskyists and the best examples of true communism,along with the October Revolution in its early stages.

* "syndicalists"
How come the communists were targetting the Anarchists in Barcelona and other places during the Spanish Revolution?

the CNT and FAI were/are NOT Communist.

Quote:The Spanish Civil War set up by Anarcho-Syndacalists,and Trotskyists and the best examples of true communism,along with the October Revolution in its early stages.

I'm incredulous of this version of events... it certainly isn't the truth, though.

Here's an academic insight to the dangers of the kind of the society you seemingly advocate, seemingly having not realised that communism ALWAYS KILLS or otherwise demonstrably attacks roughly the equivalent of 10% of the population when installed as a rigid authoritarian principle guised as people power...or ignoring the fact on purpose. Not just the Bosses either.

It's about the dangers of group think essentially.

Quote:Unformatted Document Text: Democracy and the Multitude: Tocqueville and Ortega on “Mass-man” Ty E. Shaffer Department of Political Science Indiana University 210 Woodburn Hall Bloomington, IN 47405 ## email not listed ## Paper delivered at the 62 nd Annual Conference of the Midwest Political Science Association Chicago, April 15-18, 2004. Abstract: This essay addresses the similarities between Alexis de Tocqueville’s discussion of ‘democratic man’ and José Ortega y Gasset’s “mass-man.” These authors are linked by specific themes—praise for an aristocratic past, an emphasis on the leveling tendencies of democratic societies, fear of an undifferentiated mass of persons, critiques of consumerism, a recognition of widespread anxiety, and a fear of a state in the grasp of the democratic multitude. This essay also explores the suggestion that both thinkers shared a similar conception of liberalism—a doctrinaire liberalism that emphasized the need for liberal forces (individuals and institutions) to curtail the growing power (social and political) of the democratic multitude. It concludes by discussing ways that their ideas might contribute to our understanding of liberalism and contemporary liberal society.

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa...62/p82962-1.php

edit) to preempt you: yes, I am aware Ortega was a Spanish Fascist - but the treatise is nevertheless important...that is why it is still discussed in political academia to this day.

From my own POV I think the relevance is in showing how populations could easily be duped into committing atrocity, for example, when ideology becomes predominant.

wb btw.

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Nice to see some discussion of anarchism here, and particular this documentary which highlights individualist anarchism. In my opinion conspiracies are just power structures acting like power structures, and anarchism is the most logical conclusion to come to as far as proposed solutions to tyranny. As long as the term anarchism is understood as meaning autonomy and self-governance and not chaos as it's portrayed as. (Some communist/collectivist anarchists give that characterization some credence though by acting quite chaotic at times).

If you examine the way conspiracies operate, they're enabled by the compartmentalization of people via hierarchy. As long as people are 'just following orders' and no longer individuals, they are more likely to absolve themselves of responsibility for their actions and place the blame on their commanders. And to have loyalty to government and religious leaders is beaten into our heads from childhood.

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(01-11-2008 08:03 AM)NtCkEr Wrote:  How come nobody mentioned to look up an anarchist FAQ ? :biggrin:

Man I love that Proudhon quote in your signature, in fact I was going to make it my signature! Maybe I still will if this person doesn't post here any more. BTW 'The Anarchist FAQ' kind of sucks in my opinion, it was written by collectivists. I take exception to much of what so-called social anarchists believe in, such as 'anarcha-feminism'. There's even a whole section in it dedicated to why 9/11 conspiracy theories are 'reactionary' or whatever dumb word they use, and how you can't be an anarchist if you subscribe to them. Idiots