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[ccarota]

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Quote:mifune wrote:

by falling into racism and hatred.

I keep hearing this but I don't hear racism and hatred in his message. I hear a desparation to expose them and end the nonsense. It's real obvious: he doesn't like the Zionists, but he does like Jew's who are not affiliated with Zionism (real Zionists).

The only 'hateful' remark I recall him making was the infamous Israeli remark around the time that Israel was bombing Lebanon to smithereens and taking down their entire infrastructure. Talk about hatred, they don't even care to spare women, children and ambulances. So yes, DBS made a careless remark, but everyone around that time was psst about the goings on, and how it was being suppressed in the U.S. It was a very heated and emotional time. Even certain alternative radio hosts were forced to talk about the issue. With everything DBS and others know, let me ask you, aren't you a bit flustered?

Please explain to me how he is a racist and a hater? He's angry about a lot of things, aren't we all? I think these are sweeping generalizations without a whole lot of merit. Like the 9-11 movment, most people think it's American's who hate America when it's just the opposite. How do you qualify those accusations mifune?

Hi Scott, I'd like to interject here if I may... I think he is referring to the methods that DBS employs(ed?), rather implying that he is him being racist becuase of what he overtly says on the air. Its the way that he has conducted himself, I believe, which has encouraged racist behavior in others, even if DBS himself isn't racist himself. As most of us will attest to, he has had a a significant influence on people. There is alot of anger out there against our suppressors which he taps into, and he tended to focus it to a literal interpretation, something people could boil down to race instead of having a more abstract understanding.

When I used to listen to him (its been a while since), he an eric were often implying that if you knew someone who was jewish, were married to someone who was jewish or was associated with any jewish money or businesses, then that was a legitimate reason to be suspicious of your intentions. This balked me beyond belief. Many of his followers were apt to blindly follow him and attempt to impose their belief on others by spamming his links all over the place and fighting with anyone who didn't read them

The zionist conspiracy is definitely a huge factor in socially engineering the second half of the 20th century, but if its freedom we want, I think that understanding the concept and methods of social engineering are more important than finding those responsible for them. When people start focusing on "the criminals" (as if even it has any meaning in such a literal context... technically we are all "criminals" for downloading media here) then they start looking at their other human beings as the source of evil instead of the system itself.

Becuase it wasn't just high level people DBS was tellings his followers to check out (he used to speak to the people listening, often telling them "we have to do this, we have to do that", and I know, alex does the same thing), he actively encouraged them to look at people they knew, people on the forums, people in the truth movement, etc etc... Alway saying "look at who they are connected to, don't trust what they say"... aside form being a sloppy and simplistic way to investigate (it doesn't promote understanding, only lawful blame) it creates an informer culture where one accuses another of being part of conspiracy simply because he disagrees with him, or worse, because he might be associated with the jewish faith, let along the zionist political movement.

If I remember correctly, he used to go on and on about "criminals" and spew out all kinds of venomous rage on the air about how we have to hal them out into the open. I don't know if he does this anymore, but this got people all juiced up and they'd come onto the forums and start accusing everyone of working "for them, or at elast saying that we hadn't "reached thier level yet" in uncovering the truth. I always felt this was irresponsible of him and intentionally divisive. Even if he wasn't saying "all jews are evil" he was saying "some of them are, and if you're jewish, we have to find out what kind you are, good or bad". this is way too simplistic and it encouraged people to constantly look for a "jewish connection" to every conspiracy, when in truth, anyone of any race could be a part of it, jewish or not...

To me thats all a part of the conspiracy that was planned by the Zionists... to create reality, to force people to make a simplistic interpretation of "the enemy", and divide them against each other. This creates a creates a controlled reaction, which is how they manipulates the outcome. Social engineering 101. They know that people will find out, even if they do control the media, and so the best way to handle it is to control how people react and make us fight each other. Case in point - the holocaust, the creation of the state of isreal, and our current (intentionally) sustained conflict in the middle east. When I first heard DBS, I didn't say he was racist, I said he sounds more like goebbels...

Again, this is all in context of my past experiences. Maybe he's changed and become responsible with how he uses his influence. There's no dout he has done his research and has had many knowledgeable researchers on the show (Leland Lerhman is my favorite). But he has also caused alot of division in the truth movement, I think intentionally. It was necessary, as he saw it. Doesn't he realize that is page one in the art of war, the most basic of tools for isolating conflict and controlling our culture. The same is done between black and white people, thats what the LA riots were all about, IMO, creating a controlled reaction so people would be in fear of each other. If we want to use DBS as a source fo knowledge, we have to balance him out with sources that contradict his literal interpretation so we don't end up joining one faction or another.

Anyway, what do I know, I'm out of the loop... I haven't listened to darryl, or alex for that matter, for over a year now. Some of these literal interpretation of the NWO can also be leveled at him. Personally, I don't download every episode of anything (well, except the larry sanders show, it is f'in hilarious). Lets face it, our mentors have served their purpose, there's no need for us to be disciples to anyone anymore, IMO we are capable of educating ourselves. I think we come to a place like ConCen to put the pieces together and see what we can make of it.. the more different and unique those pieces are, the more complete the picture. The whole concept of a single zionist conspiracy is dangerous because it tries to be complete in and of itself. It forcing people to respond self-righteously and put all their anger into blaming a single biological or cultural creed... which can only lead to persecution and blame... when the truth is, we ourselves may be to blame.

Anyway, I don't want to piss anyone off, I only seek to clarify why this conflict exists in the first place.

-Chris

[Ognir]

Sure you can DSB:LOL:

but come on, a Kosher kitchen at the White House

Shit that word *Kosher" is now widely used, especially in the UK, if I'm not mistaken

Not saying I'm better or smarter than anyone, our group at CC has some very smart cookies, but the Ogster sees the pattern, it's there, not shit, I don't want to get all Matrix on your asses, but you can nearly feel it.


Me thinks, it is difficult for some ppl to see the difference in the layers, no not layers, but more tiers, as in the Top Tier of the Elite and the middle to lower tiers.

LOL as mentioned above, 300M Americans and a hardcore Zionist Jew like Chertoff gets the job, warning bells should have been going off, oups sorry this same group control the media, ah yes


Another very simple example

US gives at least $5B to Israel each year (that we know of)
Israel then gives the lobbyists $500M to pay off the US politicians

US gives another $5B
and on and on they go

That is a very simple pattern, we all know it's true, AIPAC and the rest of their croonies do it, along with many *other* lobbying groups, but they ALL HAVE TO REGISTER AS FOREIGN INTEREST GROUPS unlike our jewish friends

Maybe because I can defend myself with facts when called an anti-semite is mainly the reason I'm out-spoken on the subject

Thanks Mifune, another excellent list, need to study that some more, but it prooves to ME that their is an ORGANISED pattern to what is going on in the world, more systems of control.

Wakey Wakey time boys and girls

[deathstickboy]

Quote:Wakey Wakey time boys and girls

Then what? Convert to Islam? :biggrin:

We still have to educate people, and I've always found it easier to talk about the systems and let people find out who's behind them on their own.....its much safer too, in this country.

Facts don't matter in court, Og. You should know that.

[Ognir]

Nope don't convert to any *organised* religion


Me thinks we need a need thread

On the left, Deathstickboy aka Mr Ball Breaker :biggrin: vs on the right, Convert to Islam Zion Brother:crazy:

[FighterFromAfar]

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Quote:mifune wrote:

by falling into racism and hatred.

I keep hearing this but I don't hear racism and hatred in his message. I hear a desparation to expose them and end the nonsense. It's real obvious: he doesn't like the Zionists, but he does like Jew's who are not affiliated with Zionism (real Zionists).

The only 'hateful' remark I recall him making was the infamous Israeli remark around the time that Israel was bombing Lebanon to smithereens and taking down their entire infrastructure. Talk about hatred, they don't even care to spare women, children and ambulances. So yes, DBS made a careless remark, but everyone around that time was psst about the goings on, and how it was being suppressed in the U.S. It was a very heated and emotional time. Even certain alternative radio hosts were forced to talk about the issue. With everything DBS and others know, let me ask you, aren't you a bit flustered?

Please explain to me how he is a racist and a hater? He's angry about a lot of things, aren't we all? I think these are sweeping generalizations without a whole lot of merit. Like the 9-11 movment, most people think it's American's who hate America when it's just the opposite. How do you qualify those accusations mifune?

Rockclimber, I will take back the comment that DBS is racist, because there is no hard evidence to support this claim, although, and I'm sure many people will agree with this, DBS has been known on his radio program to go into rants in which he says "Zionist" every third word (hardboilednwokilla, you know what I'm talking about).

As far as hatred goes, in specific terms, I am speaking of his calling for the deaths of people who disagree with him (the case with Ctrl being an example), referring to those who disagree with him (or his methods, which is very important, and I think is in large part how he operates, to dovetail with Chris Carotas' excellent insight) as Crypto Jews, leaving no room for any other interpretation.

Quote:The military kills deserters

During times of war, the military will kill deserters on the grounds that they are leaving the other men at risk.

We are at war right now with Zionism, so perhaps we need to start telling people to help us, or be considered deserters who are leaving the rest of us at risk.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Expose-Bollyn-trial.html

This approach can do nothing but make our cause more difficult.

DBS' hatred and willingness to call for the silencing of others is not his only problem. The deal with Christopher Bollyn, Michael Collins Piper, Scott Makufka and the American Free Press stands out in my mind. It is proven that Bollyn was being fed disinformation, especially on the Sam Danner controversy, by Eric Hufschmid (his name sounds like a sneeze, and I still can't spell it right), yet Bollyn failed to realize this. When the American Free Press decided not to publish articles from a guy connected to such disinformation, DBS began accusing the AFP of being infiltrated by Zionists. When one is fighting to expose corruption and lies, it's just plain common sense that you don't leave yourself open to the kind of bullshit that Bollyn did.

Of course, Bollyn himself was caught in a perfect storm of his partnership with Hufschmid on the one hand, having Hufschmid's partner DBS accusing AFP of being Zionists (a dilemma that Bollyn wasn't able to sort out before it burned him), and then Scott Makufka going on the Michael Collins Piper radio show and accusing Bollyn of not defending the AFP against DBS' and Hufschmid's (I swear, I think that name was invented just to waste my time on spelling it!) claims of their being Crypto Zionists.

In all of this though, DBS is enabling a disinfo artist, Hufschmid, assists in destroying the reputation of one excellent Zionist exposer in Christopher Bollyn, attempts to destroy the reputation of an organization that was founded on exposing Zionism, the American Free Press, and helps to muddy the waters in regards to 9/11 Truth.

Not to mention that DBS' treatment on the subject of Zionists intends to suggests that all conspiracy everywhere is only a Zionist conspiracy. I've said this again and again, Zionists and Zionism play a large role, but they are not the whole enchilada, nor do I think that Zionists are at the top of the pyramid.

To be fair, certainly, DBS does have some good information on his site. For example, when speaking of the Young Turks.

Quote:The Young Turks; Crypto-Jews in Turkey

There was a massacre of Armenians at the beginning of the 20th century. The official story is that a group of Muslims -- known as the Young Turks -- were responsible, but there is a lot of evidence that the Young Turks were Crypto Jews. In fact, a Jewish historian claims that in 1908 the Young Turks began conscripting Jews into their army:
http://www.jewishgen.org/SefardSIG/AleppoJews.htm

An excerpt of a book by Ioasif Kassesian:
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/...gturks.htm

Another site:
http://www.grecoreport.com/the_young_tur...e_they.htm

Considering the Armenian genocide, and later how Zionists were willing to turn a blind eye to this genocide in return for Turkey's support for the fledgeling state of Israel, the idea that there were Zionists in the Turkish government would make sense.


So, Racist, no.
Hateful and willing to incite others to violence? Yes.
Willing to enable disinformation artists and ruin reputations of honest researchers? Yes.
Puts out a lot of good information on Zionism? Yes, and that's a problem for the rest of us anti-Zionists.

[Ognir]

Call call him Huffie or Huffie baby :biggrin:

Bitch all we like about DBS, the fact remains that *some* of his info is spot on, as mentioned above but as I said the other day, use the info, mix it with other ppl's info to get a truer picture of what is really going on.

As for there being only one Zionist conspiracy, I'd agree in part with that but there many others, but IMHO and from my research, there isn't one other conspiracy bigger than the Zionist/Elite Money changers take-over.

I hated shit DBS said in the past 3 years, but listen to some of his guests, not DBS rants, check out what they say, if they are talking about history of WW1 or WW2, Bank of England, the Fed, fuck DBS rants (even if I agree with some of them :biggrin: )

Internet Radio or audio are no good if no one listens, DBS probably using the Fishbait method at the beginning, calling everyone Crypto this that and the other, worked!!!! We all know him or of him

It's called marketing:geek:

And this is the worries for me, Huffie is the master of this, his connections to Rubert Murdoch, and Bollyn speaking Yiddish, married to an israeli and even having lived there should have DBS on the war path, but he doesn't attack his own side.

After 30 months of DBS, I personally not 100% but still personally think he is NOT an agent, crazy maybe but he keeps going, putting out info, maybe lots of disinfo, but that is what I've been saying

WE NEED A FORUM, WHY NOT CONCEN, WHEREBY DBS IS INVITED AND WE CAN ASK AND QUESTION HIM ON THINGS HE SAYS, AND MAYBE HE'LL CONVERT MORE FOLLOWERS OR BE DEBUNKED.

DBS didn't write history, he's taking snapshoots of things we need to look into to get a better idea of what's going on. Bottom line you need to figure this out on your own, not listen and droll on every word spoken by DBS, AJ, MCP or others

Og

[standvast]

Quote:Bitch all we like about DBS, the fact remains that *some* of his info is spot on, as mentioned above but as I said the other day, use the info

I think that is at the essence, regardless ones feelings towards the person, the information can be valuable,
everyone can see for themselves whether they find the info to add up or not.
The tracker carries all sorts of information, to each his pick and to each to decide whether
the source of the info is valid. Whoever you listen to , or whatever video you watch you
should keep a critical mind's eye, and trust your best judgement on the character of the views you
are choosing to consider by watching / listening.

peace'

[OWN-the-NWO]

Quote:So I just downloaded some DBS, he has some good guests on but if he says the J word one more time I'm going to bang my head against the wall. [edit] Scratch that, I'm already on it. Crazy old fart.:headbash:

LMAO

[MC David]

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Quote:Ha this picture kind of illustrates it



Among others like the one of Bush holding a Talmud. Texe Marrs' Mystery Babylon video reveals quite a bit.

Just to play DA here for a second, that picture doesn't really prove anything. Political leaders are always attending the religious functions of speical intrest groups and playing along with them.

I can show you pictures of the Premier of my province wearing a Sikh headscarf at one of their festivals, it doesn't mean he is a Sikh.

But Bush does this a lot.

[deathstickboy]

Quote:Nope don't convert to any *organised* religion


Me thinks we need a need thread

On the left, Deathstickboy aka Mr Ball Breaker :biggrin: vs on the right, Convert to Islam Zion Brother:crazy:

LoL!!
Nah, I think I've had just about enough of that. I swear I can almost predict what a fundamentalist of any stripe will say next sometimes. Its like playing chess against a computer or something.

@mifune: I call him huffshit or huff n puff...its just easier that way, and everyone knows who you are talking about anyways. :laugh:

Infinite said:

Quote:But Bush does this a lot.

That may be the case, but I still wouldn't use that as evidence of a conspiracy.

[MC David]

Quote:Infinite said:

Quote:But Bush does this a lot.

That may be the case, but I still wouldn't use that as evidence of a conspiracy.

Maybe not by itself, the policies are the main evidence. This is just supporting:

[rockclimber]

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Quote:mifune wrote:

by falling into racism and hatred.

I keep hearing this but I don't hear racism and hatred in his message. I hear a desparation to expose them and end the nonsense. It's real obvious: he doesn't like the Zionists, but he does like Jew's who are not affiliated with Zionism (real Zionists).

The only 'hateful' remark I recall him making was the infamous Israeli remark around the time that Israel was bombing Lebanon to smithereens and taking down their entire infrastructure. Talk about hatred, they don't even care to spare women, children and ambulances. So yes, DBS made a careless remark, but everyone around that time was psst about the goings on, and how it was being suppressed in the U.S. It was a very heated and emotional time. Even certain alternative radio hosts were forced to talk about the issue. With everything DBS and others know, let me ask you, aren't you a bit flustered?

Please explain to me how he is a racist and a hater? He's angry about a lot of things, aren't we all? I think these are sweeping generalizations without a whole lot of merit. Like the 9-11 movment, most people think it's American's who hate America when it's just the opposite. How do you qualify those accusations mifune?

Hi Scott, I'd like to interject here if I may... I think he is referring to the methods that DBS employs(ed?), rather implying that he is him being racist becuase of what he overtly says on the air. Its the way that he has conducted himself, I believe, which has encouraged racist behavior in others, even if DBS himself isn't racist himself. As most of us will attest to, he has had a a significant influence on people. There is alot of anger out there against our suppressors which he taps into, and he tended to focus it to a literal interpretation, something people could boil down to race instead of having a more abstract understanding.

When I used to listen to him (its been a while since), he an eric were often implying that if you knew someone who was jewish, were married to someone who was jewish or was associated with any jewish money or businesses, then that was a legitimate reason to be suspicious of your intentions. This balked me beyond belief. Many of his followers were apt to blindly follow him and attempt to impose their belief on others by spamming his links all over the place and fighting with anyone who didn't read them

The zionist conspiracy is definitely a huge factor in socially engineering the second half of the 20th century, but if its freedom we want, I think that understanding the concept and methods of social engineering are more important than finding those responsible for them. When people start focusing on "the criminals" (as if even it has any meaning in such a literal context... technically we are all "criminals" for downloading media here) then they start looking at their other human beings as the source of evil instead of the system itself.

Becuase it wasn't just high level people DBS was tellings his followers to check out (he used to speak to the people listening, often telling them "we have to do this, we have to do that", and I know, alex does the same thing), he actively encouraged them to look at people they knew, people on the forums, people in the truth movement, etc etc... Alway saying "look at who they are connected to, don't trust what they say"... aside form being a sloppy and simplistic way to investigate (it doesn't promote understanding, only lawful blame) it creates an informer culture where one accuses another of being part of conspiracy simply because he disagrees with him, or worse, because he might be associated with the jewish faith, let along the zionist political movement.

If I remember correctly, he used to go on and on about "criminals" and spew out all kinds of venomous rage on the air about how we have to hal them out into the open. I don't know if he does this anymore, but this got people all juiced up and they'd come onto the forums and start accusing everyone of working "for them, or at elast saying that we hadn't "reached thier level yet" in uncovering the truth. I always felt this was irresponsible of him and intentionally divisive. Even if he wasn't saying "all jews are evil" he was saying "some of them are, and if you're jewish, we have to find out what kind you are, good or bad". this is way too simplistic and it encouraged people to constantly look for a "jewish connection" to every conspiracy, when in truth, anyone of any race could be a part of it, jewish or not...

To me thats all a part of the conspiracy that was planned by the Zionists... to create reality, to force people to make a simplistic interpretation of "the enemy", and divide them against each other. This creates a creates a controlled reaction, which is how they manipulates the outcome. Social engineering 101. They know that people will find out, even if they do control the media, and so the best way to handle it is to control how people react and make us fight each other. Case in point - the holocaust, the creation of the state of isreal, and our current (intentionally) sustained conflict in the middle east. When I first heard DBS, I didn't say he was racist, I said he sounds more like goebbels...

Again, this is all in context of my past experiences. Maybe he's changed and become responsible with how he uses his influence. There's no dout he has done his research and has had many knowledgeable researchers on the show (Leland Lerhman is my favorite). But he has also caused alot of division in the truth movement, I think intentionally. It was necessary, as he saw it. Doesn't he realize that is page one in the art of war, the most basic of tools for isolating conflict and controlling our culture. The same is done between black and white people, thats what the LA riots were all about, IMO, creating a controlled reaction so people would be in fear of each other. If we want to use DBS as a source fo knowledge, we have to balance him out with sources that contradict his literal interpretation so we don't end up joining one faction or another.

Anyway, what do I know, I'm out of the loop... I haven't listened to darryl, or alex for that matter, for over a year now. Some of these literal interpretation of the NWO can also be leveled at him. Personally, I don't download every episode of anything (well, except the larry sanders show, it is f'in hilarious). Lets face it, our mentors have served their purpose, there's no need for us to be disciples to anyone anymore, IMO we are capable of educating ourselves. I think we come to a place like ConCen to put the pieces together and see what we can make of it.. the more different and unique those pieces are, the more complete the picture. The whole concept of a single zionist conspiracy is dangerous because it tries to be complete in and of itself. It forcing people to respond self-righteously and put all their anger into blaming a single biological or cultural creed... which can only lead to persecution and blame... when the truth is, we ourselves may be to blame.

Anyway, I don't want to piss anyone off, I only seek to clarify why this conflict exists in the first place.

-Chris

Hello Chris,

Wow that's quite a post. Well I'm tired, but let me respond, hope it makes sense.

DBS and Eric H have a distrust for many in the patriot community and they both have a tendency to be very suspicious of the overwhelming amount of Jewish personalities and or affiliations with the patriot community. I must say at first I thought these guys were delusional, but I do see a disproportionate amount of Jewish people in the community. Not that that is wrong at first glance, but when many of them won't go near Zionism, it does raise some suspicions. DBS is very suspicious of the white supremacists, and he does not want to be affiliated with them at all. He has found that many of these supremacist groups have been infiltrated, and we can only guess by who, but I have not personally validated as much. Either way, I detest supremacism of any kind and if I detected it with he or Eric, I would say as much.

What I am personally seeing is a divide in the Patriot community that could help it evolve. Many truthers are tired of hearing about the "new world order" (last I heard it's primarily London by AJ and Alan Watt). It's been 6-years since 9-11 and I can understand why Mike (Ctrl) and others are frustrated. Somehow we have to take this to the next level and part of that process is to really start breaking down the names, the real players and tell the WHOLE story, not just bit's and pieces. Part of the community pickets and shout "inside job". That's great! But who the hell did it? :Bush, Cheney, and Rummy oh and Silverstein. I beg to differ. There are so much more to it than that, and the talking heads know it. Let's really connect the dots and stop the madness of chasing our tails. Let's spread the whole darned story to all corners of the globe. Before long, people will react. As much as people may despise DBS, he is taking it to that level along with Eric and Bollyn. Bollyn's research is some of the best (and he slips up too). But...they are naming names and calling for action.


I detest those who suppress information that has a solid connection to 9-11 and other crimes, gloss over it, or give me a trinket here and there, I have to ask myself why. Many are not guilty by association of anything other than they are trying to spread a particular message. If you take Ted Pike for example, he will go on almost any venue to talk about the ADL and the Hate Speech bill, but DBS has raised a few suspicions during his interviews with him and Ted Pike stated his position which I hope was clearly understood. I can admire that, and don't hold everyone guilty who is focusing on one aspect of the overall conspiracy.


I don't take anyone's accusations about another seriously until I personally make the observation based on ample evidence. Sweeping accusations I don't appreciate, and I think DBS is improving, but I mostly skirt over any and focus on the content he delivers. If he says something I didn't already know, I will take notes and research it. He mostly does a good job with his research and that's what I am after, good research. However, before I made a Zionist Neocon connection to 9-11 for example, it used to bother me that he attacked AJ all the time. But now I know more so I will just leave it at that.

I do read into what you are saying about his distrust for Jews overall. There is a distinction between a Zionist and a Jew. We all know that. Just like their is a difference between a Christian zionist and a non-zionist Christian. Or at least we should no, on the former and the latter. To take everything someone says as 'gospel' is very irresponsible. It happens on the AJ and the DBS side.

Balance is good Chris, no doubt. I certainly don't want to come off as a DBS clone. I listen to plenty and I have a focus on Zionism, I want to go down this rabbit hole for a while. I have been down many, they are all deep, but primarily this one has a direct connection to 9-11 along with the MIC, and other players no doubt, but I do see an awful lot of powerful Jew's in high places and they support Zionism and many have dual citizenship. They have a history of nefarious activities and we know that a disproportionate amount of them control our money, and the media and so on, and supporters of zionism. The media should be obvious. It's hard to deny. Well nuff said.

You have been busy...building houses in the country right? Sweet!

Take care man,

Scott

[rockclimber]

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Quote:mifune wrote:

by falling into racism and hatred.

I keep hearing this but I don't hear racism and hatred in his message. I hear a desparation to expose them and end the nonsense. It's real obvious: he doesn't like the Zionists, but he does like Jew's who are not affiliated with Zionism (real Zionists).

The only 'hateful' remark I recall him making was the infamous Israeli remark around the time that Israel was bombing Lebanon to smithereens and taking down their entire infrastructure. Talk about hatred, they don't even care to spare women, children and ambulances. So yes, DBS made a careless remark, but everyone around that time was psst about the goings on, and how it was being suppressed in the U.S. It was a very heated and emotional time. Even certain alternative radio hosts were forced to talk about the issue. With everything DBS and others know, let me ask you, aren't you a bit flustered?

Please explain to me how he is a racist and a hater? He's angry about a lot of things, aren't we all? I think these are sweeping generalizations without a whole lot of merit. Like the 9-11 movment, most people think it's American's who hate America when it's just the opposite. How do you qualify those accusations mifune?

Rockclimber, I will take back the comment that DBS is racist, because there is no hard evidence to support this claim, although, and I'm sure many people will agree with this, DBS has been known on his radio program to go into rants in which he says "Zionist" every third word (hardboilednwokilla, you know what I'm talking about).

As far as hatred goes, in specific terms, I am speaking of his calling for the deaths of people who disagree with him (the case with Ctrl being an example), referring to those who disagree with him (or his methods, which is very important, and I think is in large part how he operates, to dovetail with Chris Carotas' excellent insight) as Crypto Jews, leaving no room for any other interpretation.

Quote:The military kills deserters

During times of war, the military will kill deserters on the grounds that they are leaving the other men at risk.

We are at war right now with Zionism, so perhaps we need to start telling people to help us, or be considered deserters who are leaving the rest of us at risk.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Expose-Bollyn-trial.html

This approach can do nothing but make our cause more difficult.

DBS' hatred and willingness to call for the silencing of others is not his only problem. The deal with Christopher Bollyn, Michael Collins Piper, Scott Makufka and the American Free Press stands out in my mind. It is proven that Bollyn was being fed disinformation, especially on the Sam Danner controversy, by Eric Hufschmid (his name sounds like a sneeze, and I still can't spell it right), yet Bollyn failed to realize this. When the American Free Press decided not to publish articles from a guy connected to such disinformation, DBS began accusing the AFP of being infiltrated by Zionists. When one is fighting to expose corruption and lies, it's just plain common sense that you don't leave yourself open to the kind of bullshit that Bollyn did.

Of course, Bollyn himself was caught in a perfect storm of his partnership with Hufschmid on the one hand, having Hufschmid's partner DBS accusing AFP of being Zionists (a dilemma that Bollyn wasn't able to sort out before it burned him), and then Scott Makufka going on the Michael Collins Piper radio show and accusing Bollyn of not defending the AFP against DBS' and Hufschmid's (I swear, I think that name was invented just to waste my time on spelling it!) claims of their being Crypto Zionists.

In all of this though, DBS is enabling a disinfo artist, Hufschmid, assists in destroying the reputation of one excellent Zionist exposer in Christopher Bollyn, attempts to destroy the reputation of an organization that was founded on exposing Zionism, the American Free Press, and helps to muddy the waters in regards to 9/11 Truth.

Not to mention that DBS' treatment on the subject of Zionists intends to suggests that all conspiracy everywhere is only a Zionist conspiracy. I've said this again and again, Zionists and Zionism play a large role, but they are not the whole enchilada, nor do I think that Zionists are at the top of the pyramid.

To be fair, certainly, DBS does have some good information on his site. For example, when speaking of the Young Turks.

Quote:The Young Turks; Crypto-Jews in Turkey

There was a massacre of Armenians at the beginning of the 20th century. The official story is that a group of Muslims -- known as the Young Turks -- were responsible, but there is a lot of evidence that the Young Turks were Crypto Jews. In fact, a Jewish historian claims that in 1908 the Young Turks began conscripting Jews into their army:
http://www.jewishgen.org/SefardSIG/AleppoJews.htm

An excerpt of a book by Ioasif Kassesian:
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/...gturks.htm

Another site:
http://www.grecoreport.com/the_young_tur...e_they.htm

Considering the Armenian genocide, and later how Zionists were willing to turn a blind eye to this genocide in return for Turkey's support for the fledgeling state of Israel, the idea that there were Zionists in the Turkish government would make sense.


So, Racist, no.
Hateful and willing to incite others to violence? Yes.
Willing to enable disinformation artists and ruin reputations of honest researchers? Yes.
Puts out a lot of good information on Zionism? Yes, and that's a problem for the rest of us anti-Zionists.

Wow, nice response mifune, thanks.

In short, yes the AFP thing got way out of hand and it was a result of the Sam Danner story. Lot's of mud-slinging and I Eric and DBS tried a little too hard to get Bollyn on their side, and I'm not sure what to think of the Deguello report. Eric and Bollyn are bright guys, but Eric is the most opionated (of the three) and I often wonders if he borders on paranoia. Everyone wants to break the next big story, but he was over-zealous and it became very ugly as more truth came out.

Quote:So, Racist, no.
Hateful and willing to incite others to violence? Yes.
Willing to enable disinformation artists and ruin reputations of honest researchers? Yes.
Puts out a lot of good information on Zionism? Yes, and that's a problem for the rest of us anti-Zionists.

Two and three we agree on, hateful, perhaps, I call it passion;)but inciting others to violence? Please elaborate. May be true for others, but I don't feel ready for violence, disgusted and angry yes, but not violent. Nothing for me to take it out on, but I keep thiking about getting a heavy bag for now.:)

[FighterFromAfar]

Inciting others to violence: Calling for the death of Ctrl.

Not to mention:

Quote:The military kills deserters

During times of war, the military will kill deserters on the grounds that they are leaving the other men at risk.

We are at war right now with Zionism, so perhaps we need to start telling people to help us, or be considered deserters who are leaving the rest of us at risk.

That's some fairly strong imagery. All I'm saying is, language like that isn't going to help convert the average uninformed joe on the street.

Also, DBS using the imagery of the guillotine when talking about disinfo artists in the alternative media.

[rockclimber]

Quote:Inciting others to violence: Calling for the death of Ctrl.

Not to mention:

Quote:The military kills deserters

During times of war, the military will kill deserters on the grounds that they are leaving the other men at risk.

We are at war right now with Zionism, so perhaps we need to start telling people to help us, or be considered deserters who are leaving the rest of us at risk.

That's some fairly strong imagery. All I'm saying is, language like that isn't going to help convert the average uninformed joe on the street.

Also, DBS using the imagery of the guillotine when talking about disinfo artists in the alternative media.

Calling for the death of Ctrl? I sincerely missed that one, kind of embarrassing on my part as I remember most of that history well. Whoa.

I see your point.