Check Out This Huge Ron Paul Rally At The N.h. Debate

[MC David]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpV-lp5jLQ

[waxzy]

wow

one of the first signs that there is hope yet for some people...

[MC David]

Yep the Ron Paul for President campaign is waking up lots of people to the New World Order

[byrd]

so at these debates, what are the reactions of the audience after he speaks? does he get much applause? i expect them to have these places packed with pro war pro bush dummies who wouldnt like anything Paul has to say. so im wondering what the average reaction seems to be like from ppl at these things.

[MrBS]

Quote:so at these debates, what are the reactions of the audience after he speaks? does he get much applause? i expect them to have these places packed with pro war pro bush dummies who wouldnt like anything Paul has to say. so im wondering what the average reaction seems to be like from ppl at these things.

Why don't you watch some? They're all on the tracker, both RepubliCON and DemoRAT

[byrd]

well, i dont live in america, and as ive stated before in regards to any presidential candidate, i dont give any of them much credit, hope, or....well, some other word that would fit in here.

i see him as someone the powers that be let in, to be a voice for ppl like us, a false hope, someone everyone can get behind...but at some point im sure the carpet will be yanked out. we all know how controlled this shit is. we all know the presidents, and the candidates, are selected by them. they dont just appear and with some luck and shit, get to this point, on their own, and will later on fuck shit up for the bad guys.

so, i dont watch this stuff. i dont trust this stuff. that being said tho i can certainly see why ppl are all about ron paul. i too like what he has to say, mostly. but again, i just dont give it too much credence. everything is controlled. ESPECIALLY the govt. so i dont trust him. im sorry, even after listening to him, its sorta hard to say. but i dont trust anything that has to do with govt. i see this as theater. for the ppl. let them believe they have a choice, and for the ones who suspect the govt is full of shit and rigging these elections, let them atleats believe their is a new voice in town who is on their side.

we all know he isnt gonna win.

so anyway i just thought id ask the question and maybe someone could give me a short answer to my basic short question.

[byrd]

also, i dont know how to use the bloody tracker :confused:

[MC David]

Well they've tried to control it for example Saul Anuzis, the head of the Michigan GOP spread a petition to get Paul kicked out of the debate but thanks to Paul's supporters including myself & many here on this board taking action & ringing their phones off the hook to the point where they couldn't operate any more, & some of the calls being of such a threatening manner they were forced to retract that effort. But DBS is not gonna report that information. As much as he calls people out when he says they're hiding things you're not gonna hear him talk about how Saul Anuzis who's a Jewish Zionist & who's heavily involved in Holocaust & Zionist organizations very seriously tried to get Paul banned from the debates. He's also not gonna mention how Paul's publically described AIPAC "as the most dangerous lobby of the negative kind in Washington" or something to that effect & did not retract his statement when pressured to by Jewish groups who were crying anti-semetism saying "there's no need to" or how he's chastised the government for their blind support to Israel many times. Or how he's said that he does support a new independent investigation of 9/11 if he's elected & even though now he's saying this stuff about how we need to pull out troops out from all foreign countries & have a non-interventionist foreign policy so "we're safer from Al-Queda" to the mainstream press & in the debates, he's acknowledged many times before that he knows the government has staged terror attacks & as recently as January said he's concerned "that a new 'Gulf of Tonkin' like incident will be used to trigger a war with Iran" in Congress. They're still keeping him out of most of the mainstream GOP polls, Paul being the only candidate excluded out of the 11 or so, despite the fact that most of those people have far less support & less funding than Paul who now currently has much as John McCain thanks to donations. & then they say he's at the bottom of the polls every time they interview him (which they're forced to do in order to stay relevant & do to viewer demand) when the truth is that he's at the bottom of b/c they average all these "official" polls taken together of which Paul was purposely excluded from most of them. In almost every unregulated polls, like the MSNBC one where 93,000 people & you could only vote once he got an overwhelming majority of the votes but they don't talk about that. So the actual evidence is that they're not allowing him much of everything & it's the people forcing him out there, demanding that he get any publicity pretty much every step of the way. You may hear of him a lot in the 9/11 truth movement or whatever but he is not promoted or supported very much at all by the mainstream media or the Republican party, & most are actually active in trying to suppress him. I don't know if he'll be able to win the nomination even if he does get a majority of the vote, which just going by the numbers at this point would be possible, or the presidency but if they do steal it it's going to wake up even more people to how controlled the system is.

So basically what I'm saying is that they've attempted to pull the carpet out many times. It's all because of the people that Paul is out there. I resent it when DBS, even though I've learned a lot from his files, just sits back & criticizes us when we're trying our hardest to seriously prevent World War III & insane tyranny. I heard today that the actual numbers of 'civilians' who've died in Iraq is now closer to a million. A million fucking people. That's 997,000 more people than the amount that died in 9/11, & possibly 700,000 more than the number of those who died in the Nazi concentration camps if those numbers from the Red Cross that the revisionists go by are true. It just has to stop this somehow, they're trying to go to Iran & massacre potentially millions more. Imagine if DBS or Hufschmid ran for president, they'd get nowhere you know? It just frustrates me.

[MC David]

BTW here are videos of Ron Paul at all 3 debates w/just his parts cut out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BjK1QqDOo

[byrd]

thanks, that was a response i was looking for.

and not to always stick up for daryl n shit, but i figure the reason why he doesnt support ron paul is cuz he doesnt wanna be one of the ppl that got tricked into supporting him when all along he was a controlled opposition. and im not saying this is the case, im just saying i suspect this is his thinking. like if he were to say well ron paul is great, hes this and that and he says this about AIPAC and that about the ADL, etc, but if it turns out soon down the road that he was a bad guy or whatever, it will only serve to take away a lot of credibility.... not saying any of this is the case, just saying i suspect this is why he isnt getting behind him.

you know, he says a lot, if this guy was on the up and up, or if i were for sure about him, i would be the 1st person totally supporting him...but there are a few issues he has, a cpl things he calls lies, that are not letting him do so. so he is not for him.

going on the recent interviews, specifically the one from the 11th, he has bad feelings about ron paul, which im sure your aware of. he thinks, above all the good shit he says, that he is a liar. not the massive lies we are told by the rest of them, but lies nonetheless.
he mentioned that ron paul says shit about the FED, but also says hed like to go back to a gold standard. that seems to be his answer if they were able to abolish the FED. well the bad guys still control that so this would do us no good. as long as the shit is backed by gold, which they control most of, then its still in their hands. so that wouldnt really fix anything at all. and of course the way he speaks about Al CIAda like they are a real entity that we have to worry about.

so i think its a really hard sell to get him thinking this guy may be the real deal. that this presidential candidate may actually finally be the good guy we are waiting for. he sees some lies, and as soon as he sees some of that, then there goes any hope for him to really believe this guy may be the good apple in a barrel of shitty ones.

again ill say i dont know all of the shit you and the other supporters do, im going on hearsay. its just that there are the little things that i am suspicious of. and he too is obviously very suspicious. and you know, hes heard a lot of shit over the past cpl years. as have we all... i just think he has lost all hope for anything good coming out of that current govt. the way it is. there is just so much deception, hes not chancing it, and hes not believing it. and i can totally see why.

and on the other side of that coin, i can totally see why ppl such as yourself are all about Ron Paul. so, its a confusing subject, and i dont know the answers to it. i dont know one way or another. but i can certainly understand the suspicions and accusations. and i also understand the support for him.

haha shit im starting to sound like a political flip flopper now. i better stop.

[MC David]

No I hear what you're saying. Personally I think he has a plan, when it comes to the money system, the 9/11 thing. If he can get in he's gonna do a world of good, my gut just tells me it & I have a good detection system for whether people are working on the wrong side or not.

[MC David]

Byrd, a few days ago I sent DBS this email in response to his & Smith's accusations that Paul has never talked about the Zionist control over the Congress, supports Israel & is a "Zionist approved candidate":

Hi, I'm writing in response to your most recent file you mentioned how you'd like Ron Paul to speak out against the control of AIPAC & Zionism over the Congress. Well he actually has done this. One mention of them that stands out is a speech he made to the Congress in 2003 that's been titled "Neo-Conned" in which he talks about the Zionist Neocons in the Bush administration, their roots & how they took over.

Here's the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...3630131591
Here's the text of it: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congre...071003.htm

Another issue you've spoke about is those racist comments he supposedly made about black people. Well I admit that is a weird issue, but apparently it wasn't him who wrote them. Here's a section from an article about that:

"1) Did Ron Paul actually write the passage of the newsletter in question? As I've already noted, after Ron Paul supporters brought it to my attention, the answer to this question seems likely to be no. His newsletter was being ghostwritten, and the offensive comments about blacks and offensive comments (at least in my interpretation) about Jews were likely written by a staffer. Nonetheless, Mr. Paul waited roughly five years from when the passages came to light to attribute their authorship to someone else in an interview with Texas Monthly; also, he reportedly stood by the comments at the time. His current story about the newsletter passages, as relayed to me by his campaign spokesman, Jesse Benton, is that: "Ron has taken responsibility for them, even though he didn't write them."

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05...i-semitism.html

It sounds kind of weird & suspicious, but check out some articles that he himself has written & takes credit for about racism. They seem to reflect his true feelings, especially when you compare them to speeches he's given:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

If you read on in that first article at latestpolitics.com though, it shows that he did say about the Israel lobby: "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" & hasn't take any of that back, simply saying "there's no need to" despite pressure put on him from Zionists crying anti-semitism & demanding he retract the statement.

Here's more proof that Ron Paul is an enemy of the Zionists, an article from a popular Zionist site where they reference that stuff about the lobby & link it in to him being "anti-semitic": http://www.jewcy.com/daily_shvitz/ron_paul..._an_anti_semite As you can see the Zionists do not like Ron Paul.

One thing on your web site that got my attention was that Paul was described as a Zionist approved candidate. This couldn't be further from the truth. Besides the mainstream media censoring him, which they do constantly & even blatantly lie when he wins their internet polls, saying on television that other candidates won them, a Zionist Jew who's head of the Michigan GOP named Saul Anuzis actively tried to get Paul kicked out of the debates & circulated a petition for this. Just Google "Saul Anuzis Ron Paul" & read about it. Also look into this guy & see what his background is. The reason he failed is because the response it got from Paul supporters was so insane that they quit because after their phone numbers circulated online their lines got so jammed up with calls about it that they couldn't operate, & also some of the messages were supposedly threatening. The point is that no matter what you think of Ron Paul, whether you endorse him for president or not, he has spoken out against the Zionist control over the U.S. government & he is an enemy of them for sure.

peace,
Dave

So far they have not retracted or corrected any of their statements and are still portraying Paul as a Zionist and have not posted or mentioned any of the information I supplied to the contrary. This proves that Hufschmid & DBS have no problem with deliberately deceiving their audience.

[byrd]

good stuff im glad you sent it to them. hopefully they will give it some thought and do a little more research or look into Paul a little more. and maybe we will see a file come out in regards to that. it has only been a few days. it seems to me like when they do make a mistake or are called on something by their audience, they usually address it.
maybe its gonna take them a week to look at the shit a little more closely, i dono. but hopefully they will have some more to say about this.

thanks for posting tho. will be interesting to see..

[MC David]

Yeah I was pretty pissed when I made that post, mostly due to the "Olmert and Bush have finalized their strike on Iran plans" news story that came out yesterday. I'm listening to TFC's latest file, nothing mentioned about any of the stuff I pointed out in my email. Daryl's just ranting about how he thinks Ron Paul should be talking about how Zionists did 9/11 & not Muslims. I kind of agree with him but I don't see how that makes it okay to add other things to that that aren't true like like he's for the Zionists & supports Israel when he plainly says that the Israeli lobby is dangerous & we need a non-interventionist foreign policy where we don't have binding loyalties to anyone. & Paul is wrong about 9/11 but at least he puts it in a context of "it happened as a response to imperialist foreign policy so we need to stop attacking other countries in order to prevent terrorism." Kind of a good strategy, I'm not sure how much more beneficial it would be for him to just be talking about it being an inside job engineered by Israel & Zionists. That would be helpful in a way cause it would get the message out but it would also mean sacrificing any chance at winning cause most people would not vote for that, & he has said he will work towards a new independent investigation if he's elected. I'm kind of looking more for a president who will not bring about WWIII & total surveilance & enslavement domestically more so than a 9/11 truth activist.

DBS & Hufschmid have a lot of good information but they have no awareness when it comes to the big picture of everything that's going on. The Zionists do have that awareness. For example, on their site now they have this thing "Alex Jones & Mike Rivero & all these people are promoting Michael Moore now." When actually they're not exactly promoting him, they're giving attention to the fact now that he is saying that the firefighters he was involved with in his recent movie told him about the explosions, & how he doesn't think a plane hit the pentagon & that it might be an inside job. It's good that he's saying this b/c close-minded liberals will hear it & actually consider that 9/11 may have been an inside job, it doesn't necessarily mean that Michael Moore is good but whether Michael Moore is good or not is not the big part of the story. I gave attention to it in my own small way by Digging the story & reposting it on myspace because I know it's beneficially to the overall effort. Same thing w/Rosie O'Donnell & others in the mainstream. & they're not talking about Israel/Zionists being involved, okay that's not too great but just the public becoming aware that it was an inside job that the government was complicit is extremely beneficial. A good strategy is to take advantage of that increase of awareness & inform people of all the evidence that it was primarily Zionists involved, just attacking everyone in the 9/11 truth movement wrecklessly achieves nothing. Constructive criticism is one thing but just broad strokes & false accusations & exagerations is totally counterproductive and discrediting. It's why so many people stay away from their material. & if all the people they attack were shut down as they'd like people would not flock to them. It would just be pretty much the same relatively small group of people listening to their files & basically no resistance at all to the things going on & we'd be in a lot of trouble.

[MC David]

I'm just keep to my strategy of listening to TFC & reading Bollyn's columns & absorbing their information pertaining the real issues, not the distraction stuff like attacking everyone else in the 9/11 truth movement even if they do make a good point here or there, & educate people about the Zionist involvement but still participate in the general effort to expose the demolitions & everything about what happened as well instead of being adversarial to people who are laying the ground work to the whole thing being exposed. Plus it's just extremely important because it'll stop the whole "War on Terror" & the police state & all the rest of it, everything that they've gained from 9/11 & it will then make it possible to expose the full story instead of just keeping it small & "fringe" & being self-defeating.