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[pizzaman777]

So, I got into an argument today about the IRS with a buddy of mine. I tried arguing that its a private corp. that only pays the interest on the debt. He says the money borrowed was for the good of the country (not going to get into the whole argument here). So i'm trying to find documentation, not videos, showing the faults in his argument. Basically, i'm looking for documents showing both of what i said above, plus anything else to show that income tax money is not going where he thinks it is. I'm looking around now, but anything that anyone can come up with would be appreciated. The more official, the better :cool:

Thanks in advance :biggrin:

[MrBS]

Find an old dollar bill..... rip it up into hundreds of pieces......

Get one of his brand new dollar bills...

Explain to him that his brand new dollar bill is only really worth one of the tiny pieces of ripped paper from your old bill - due to the stealth tax known as inflation which comes about because of fractional reserve ziobanking.

Burn your friends new dollar bill, and hold him down and burn his toes if he still doesn't believe you.

:freaked:

[fjaneson]

http://www.curiousevidence.com/(acl0bl2esb...ples.aspx?id=21

http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_99...81999.html

type "taxes for revenue" and "obsolete" into Scroogle for more results.

I know you don't want videos, but "Money as Debt" is a great wake up tool. It is really a slideshow I guess.
---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...2583451279

Also see: http://www.usavsus.info/

Jordan Maxwell talks about this subject in many many many radio interviews and lectures.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[pizzaman777]

Quote:Find an old dollar bill..... rip it up into hundreds of pieces......

Get one of his brand new dollar bills...

Explain to him that his brand new dollar bill is only really worth one of the tiny pieces of ripped paper from your old bill - due to the stealth tax known as inflation which comes about because of fractional reserve ziobanking.

Burn your friends new dollar bill, and hold him down and burn his toes if he still doesn't believe you.

Cmon Larry, gimme something i can beat him over the head with man. Cant hit him with little pieces of dollar bills. I want a bundle of some paper proof that i can slap him with :biggrin:



fjaneson: Thank you. And yeah, i know videos that would do it, but this guy is a PITA. Like I said above, I need papers i can slap him with :biggrin:
Thanks again

[Henry]

Well, I've read on the Fed's own website, though have had a hard time finding it again, where it describes the founding of the Fed and even the Jeckyll Island story. He does agree it's a private bank, right? I mean, that's public fact.

As for the borrowing being good for the country, don't even bother because if he doesn't see it instantly then he's not playing with a full deck, no matter what formal education he may have.

I find it effective to just simply role play. You be America and I'll be the bank. You're over there juggling gold, silver, scrip, whatever open-source money you use for all of your transactions both foreign and domestic. I come over, confiscate your gold by force, and give you paper that has value because I say so. Not only that, but now you have to pay me interest on the paper that you're using. Where does that money come from to pay the interest? It doesn't exist, however, instead the financial sector will gladly accept ownership of your real estate, businesses, or keep you working to pay off the interest indefinitely. I guess you know this already though. If he's an honest person and open to learning then give him the Creature from Jeckyl Island audio lecture by the author available online lots of places for free.

[batacon]

Heres an article based on a 1984 report:

http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

[pizzaman777]

Thats an excellent one as well batacon. Thank you :smile:

[fjaneson]

http://www.hearliberty.com/
1st link on page is interesting document.

[logos]

Here's a start:

US DOJ Tax Attorney denies under oath IRS is a gov't agency
http://rapidshare.com/files/37007018/US_At...agency.pdf.html

This is extracted from the book "Cracking the Code 3" available on the torrent tracker.

[Skinski7]

Quote:So, I got into an argument today about the IRS with a buddy of mine. I tried arguing that its a private corp. that only pays the interest on the debt. He says the money borrowed was for the good of the country (not going to get into the whole argument here). So i'm trying to find documentation, not videos, showing the faults in his argument. Basically, i'm looking for documents showing both of what i said above, plus anything else to show that income tax money is not going where he thinks it is. I'm looking around now, but anything that anyone can come up with would be appreciated. The more official, the better :cool:

Thanks in advance :biggrin:

You have just admitted that your belief that the Internal Revenue Service is a private corporation is not based on your own research but simply on blind acceptance and when challenged on your belief you are unable to substantiate it and are asking for help.

You really need to step back and think about what you believe and why. There is a lot of crap on the internet and in documentaries regarding this issue as very few people check things out for themselves thus you ought to stop believing a lot of it.

The Internal Revenue Service is not a private corporation and if you research its history you will see that what I say is true. As far as I can ascertain the IRS was not lawfully established by Congress but was instead established by executive fiat and is simply presumed to be lawful. This is a problem as it has been ruled in Federal Courts that all offices of the Federal Government must be either established by the Constitution or by an act of Congress, suppositions of fact notwithstanding.

The problem with the monetary system today is that money is not a reliable store of value which can be used to facilitate the exchange of goods and services. Money is created by the commercial banking system and the reserve bank systems of nations and the newly created money devalues the money already in existence. Actual wealth is not created or destroyed but is simply transferred to those who are able to use the newly created money first before the effects of inflation filter through the economy. Also interest is collected on the money loaned and further loans must be issued in order for there to be enough money for interest payments as well as money for the facilitation of trade in goods and services.

Where do you live? I have plenty of official documentation which I was able to acquire when I thoroughly researched the monetary system in the 1990's which proves as accurate what I have stated above and I share it with anyone interested. When viewing this documentation one must still use their own common sense to understand why the current monetary system in the world is immoral and destructive.

Is it any wonder that Jesus stated that you cannot serve both God and Mammon?

[pizzaman777]

I understand what your saying Skinski7, as i have found nothing to show that it's a private corporation, just that it is not an official agency of the U.S. government. What i was really trying to ask, was for something that shows where income tax money is actually going. I am also interested in your documents if you would be willing to send them to me. I'm in New York. Pm me....