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Blackthor · 06-22-2007, 05:42 AM

Quote:I completely disagree. Closing my eyes to color would greatly take away my ability to see whats going on. You as a black man (I assume so anyways) should know this better than anyone. To not acknowledge the differences between the black and white communities just because they are black and white would take away the possible understanding of what has happened to the black people. The reason why my words may have seemed racist and hateful is because although the black people have never had it easy and have always been the target, I do not believe that lets them off the hook for some of the stupid ways they have been degraded. I see strong criticism due. Although, I was tired and pissed and didnt make for much constructive criticism.

The main point here is that white people who have felt so high and mighty for so long are about to get hit with everything that the black people have. And, it is going to be the saddest, most pathetic mess. The black people do have some excuses, as I said, because they have been a target since the beginning of time. But, when MY people fall, there will be no excuses. It will be a solid mess a foolishness and pathetic examples of humanity.

I do believe there is a good intent in the body of your argument. But if the only way you can see is with your eyes, then friend there lies the problem. Yeah, I'm black (two shades lighter than midnight), but yet a man none the less. If your familiar with the Wash DC area it may dawn on you, why are these people like this? It's not a issue of "what happened" to the black community, to say that is to say it was better before? Before when? Since blacks have stepped foot in Jamestown Virginia, their community has been under some kind of control. No place is more evident of this than DC. The hood is less than a mile off Capital Hill. It should be a extreme privilege to live in the Capital of the world, but it's not! Their schools are amoungst the worst funded in the country, wages are controlled and the cost of living is through the fucking roof! These living conditions has sprouted gangs and thugs in every corner of the world. In a place where no guns are allowed, some of the most sophisticated weaponry is on the streets. Black people don't make guns. And are there some ignorant, disrespectful, opportunistic black folks, hell yeah! But we all have these ones.

You said, "When the white man falls from grace", when was there grace for the white man? In all of his kingdoms there have been servants, peasants and slums, and grandeur for a select few. There has been no Land of Oz for all white people. I'm sure they feel you are where you suppose to be. What you consider the deterioration of your white community is planned by white people! How do you explain that?

I was reading one post and people were saying what Ron Paul can do for black people, and it makes me laugh! It's continuing the same ideology, the white saviour. And who made Al Sharpton the spokesman for black people and how does he make a living (i still wonder that)? Anyone saying real things about uplighting black people are stopped. I speak to white kids and play with them with my kids, and everything is great. Then I say something to the white kids days later and they're standoffish, i know someone done gave them the old white black talk. And it's happened so many times i'm use to it. When i meet a nice white kid I assume they didn't get the ole white black talk yet.

What i do believe about the black community is this, it is a proven fact that charateristics do travel in the blood or DNA. In most walks of life, "blood line" is important. From royalty to gaining entry into clubs. Very common cases include medical reasons when it comes to blood lines. But one thing "THEY" will not touch is the psycological aspects of blood lineage. It is very common to hear, "well, my father was a fireman, and his father was a fireman. So thats why i became a fireman", how many times have you heard, "boy ,your just like your father!" Even it's proven depression can run in the blood line. So with that in mind, what if your father was oppressed, and his father oppressed, and his father oppressed, and the father before him a slave, and the following fathers slaves back to the 1600's. With that in mind, if your black and someone says "your just like your father" that can carry on new meaning. Can black people snap out of it? I doubt it, atleast not as a whole. Because The Powers That Be know that if you get your mind together, your going to want to be great! And we can't have that........ can we!

TraxusIV · 06-22-2007, 08:39 AM

Quote:Can black people snap out of it? I doubt it, atleast not as a whole. Because The Powers That Be know that if you get your mind together, your going to want to be great! And we can't have that........ can we!

This is the essense of why I am upset. Can the black people snap out of this funk as a whole? Absolutely they can! But they have to want it. And, you are right to have questioned my usage of the term "grace." I should have better explained myself there, as with most of the things I have said, heh.

The only difference between white people and black people is that the black people have been outright targeted by the power structure. But, now that the head of the white man is on the chopping block, he is going to face all the hard ships that the black man faces. Now, the reason I am so mad is because every single ounce of liberty lost has simply been handed over by the people. And, although the black people started out enslaved, they certainly arent now. So, What is stopping the black people from striving for success and rising up to new heights? I dont know, but it is the exact same thing that is going to stop the white people from striving for success and rising to new heights. And, I am pissed that we human beings are letting that happen. It is an odd condition in the common man that just suppresses any dislike for wrong doings done to you.

Quote:I do have a open question TraxusIV, with zero ill-intent, or agenda. Why are you so passionate about this particular issue? What has you so inflamed about the weak, backward behaviours within certain groups of individuals with a race?

Bad, downright retarded behaviours need to be condemned wherever they appear in whatever group they might manifest. However think about this, there are huge numbers within that race who equally despise the retrograde and self-destructive proclivities and outbreaks within their own communities. I'll give you some clear cut examples:

1) Amongst the Chinese during the Boxer Rebellion/Opium Wars, don't you think that there were Chinese who hated those amongst themselves who collaborated with the enemy or became Opium dealers and users?

2) Do you not think that amongst the members of the African-American community there are not high numbers of their race who are enraged at those amongst them who bow to stereotypes, deal government product and engage in self-destructive behaviour in music, entertainment and elsewhere?

3) How many Native Americans cannot stand alcoholism, or the selling of their lands and cultures by members of their own for profit and self-hatred?

4) How many peoples of European descent abhor the racists amongst themselves and backwards members of their own who denigrate their community, and don't speak for the whole?

First, I thank you for not just writting me off as a racist or something, despite some of my flawed explanations. But anyways, I want to say that absolutely there are exceptions to every generalization, and, absolutely, my references like "the black people" and "the white people" are more all encompassing than they should be. I do not mean that every single black male is incapable of supporting his family. I do not mean that every black male is prone to crime, and I absolutely dont mean that all black people are prone to drug use. But, I do mean that the enemy has degraded the black community and it is highly afflicted by all those problems. Now, of course there are black people out for change. Of course there are black people out to stop what is going on. Even Bill Cosby tried to stand up for some change. And, you know what? That percentage of people that want change is going to be just the same within the white community when everyone is under the same attacks.

I see in the black people exactly what the enemy has in store for everyone on earth. That is what makes me so upset. Yet at the same time, falling into that trap would be mainly OUR fault. And, I feel that for the most part, in at least the black people of today, the state of the black people is THEIR fault as well. Yes, the enemy has helped them along, as they are helping the rest of us along. But, it is us going along with it. It is us allowing every single one of their encroachments. And, it makes me outraged and depressed to see what is happening to human beings everywhere. That is what makes me so inflamed. And, if I still seem bent on race, I absolutely assure you that I would be just as critical to any other group, be it age, sex, or even hair color, if they had been targeted and allowed themselves to be degraded into some terrible mess.

I just want all people, white, black, brown, ALL people, to be able to get on their feet and have a go at life with out this huge proverbial gorilla riding on all of our backs getting bigger and bigger as the time passes. I want our kids to grow up in a world where they can actually be anything. I want to be able to tell me son, "although once upon a time you once had to be a mason and drink the blood of babies to be president or an astronaut, today you really can be one just as long as you try your hardest." I dont want my encouragment of his dreams to be bold faced lies. I dont want this world to be the way it is shaping up to be. That is why I am so upset. And, thats what I thought when I saw a huge crowd beat the tar out of someone for no reason.

interzone · 06-22-2007, 01:21 PM

out of all the totally senseless/sickening/sicko acts of violence i`ve ever seen the "black guy" made the most sure of doing the the max damage to the head ,followed by a need to get crowd or peer recognition .may be on my personal expierence the coolness/callousness to line up that 'king' hit
to break a head, where a kick to the shin would of sufficed,makes me also not to give a fuck about
appearing a little off.

Blackthor · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2007 04:27 PM by Blackthor.)

Quote:
Quote:Can black people snap out of it? I doubt it, atleast not as a whole. Because The Powers That Be know that if you get your mind together, your going to want to be great! And we can't have that........ can we!

This is the essense of why I am upset. Can the black people snap out of this funk as a whole? Absolutely they can! But they have to want it. And, you are right to have questioned my usage of the term "grace." I should have better explained myself there, as with most of the things I have said, heh.

The only difference between white people and black people is that the black people have been outright targeted by the power structure. But, now that the head of the white man is on the chopping block, he is going to face all the hard ships that the black man faces. Now, the reason I am so mad is because every single ounce of liberty lost has simply been handed over by the people. And, although the black people started out enslaved, they certainly arent now. So, What is stopping the black people from striving for success and rising up to new heights? I dont know, but it is the exact same thing that is going to stop the white people from striving for success and rising to new heights. And, I am pissed that we human beings are letting that happen. It is an odd condition in the common man that just suppresses any dislike for wrong doings done to you.

Quote:I do have a open question TraxusIV, with zero ill-intent, or agenda. Why are you so passionate about this particular issue? What has you so inflamed about the weak, backward behaviours within certain groups of individuals with a race?

Bad, downright retarded behaviours need to be condemned wherever they appear in whatever group they might manifest. However think about this, there are huge numbers within that race who equally despise the retrograde and self-destructive proclivities and outbreaks within their own communities. I'll give you some clear cut examples:

1) Amongst the Chinese during the Boxer Rebellion/Opium Wars, don't you think that there were Chinese who hated those amongst themselves who collaborated with the enemy or became Opium dealers and users?

2) Do you not think that amongst the members of the African-American community there are not high numbers of their race who are enraged at those amongst them who bow to stereotypes, deal government product and engage in self-destructive behaviour in music, entertainment and elsewhere?

3) How many Native Americans cannot stand alcoholism, or the selling of their lands and cultures by members of their own for profit and self-hatred?

4) How many peoples of European descent abhor the racists amongst themselves and backwards members of their own who denigrate their community, and don't speak for the whole?

First, I thank you for not just writting me off as a racist or something, despite some of my flawed explanations. But anyways, I want to say that absolutely there are exceptions to every generalization, and, absolutely, my references like "the black people" and "the white people" are more all encompassing than they should be. I do not mean that every single black male is incapable of supporting his family. I do not mean that every black male is prone to crime, and I absolutely dont mean that all black people are prone to drug use. But, I do mean that the enemy has degraded the black community and it is highly afflicted by all those problems. Now, of course there are black people out for change. Of course there are black people out to stop what is going on. Even Bill Cosby tried to stand up for some change. And, you know what? That percentage of people that want change is going to be just the same within the white community when everyone is under the same attacks.

I see in the black people exactly what the enemy has in store for everyone on earth. That is what makes me so upset. Yet at the same time, falling into that trap would be mainly OUR fault. And, I feel that for the most part, in at least the black people of today, the state of the black people is THEIR fault as well. Yes, the enemy has helped them along, as they are helping the rest of us along. But, it is us going along with it. It is us allowing every single one of their encroachments. And, it makes me outraged and depressed to see what is happening to human beings everywhere. That is what makes me so inflamed. And, if I still seem bent on race, I absolutely assure you that I would be just as critical to any other group, be it age, sex, or even hair color, if they had been targeted and allowed themselves to be degraded into some terrible mess.

I just want all people, white, black, brown, ALL people, to be able to get on their feet and have a go at life with out this huge proverbial gorilla riding on all of our backs getting bigger and bigger as the time passes. I want our kids to grow up in a world where they can actually be anything. I want to be able to tell me son, "although once upon a time you once had to be a mason and drink the blood of babies to be president or an astronaut, today you really can be one just as long as you try your hardest." I dont want my encouragment of his dreams to be bold faced lies. I dont want this world to be the way it is shaping up to be. That is why I am so upset. And, thats what I thought when I saw a huge crowd beat the tar out of someone for no reason.

Traxus, your a cool dude, I never thought that you were a racist. These are the talks that break down the chains of their most efficient weapon, keeping people against each other! But on all our sides (You, HHQ & myself), there were some things that needed to be said. Your a brave person for sharing your feelings like that. I can appreciate your honesty and hope of a better tomorrow for everyone!

You know, we're so use to kaos, if everyone could get along and there was sufficient food and medical care for everyone, a world like that would take some getting use to! I'm sure there's a higher power somewhere saying,"look at y'all, you can change the world tomorrow if you wanted to!"

They say there's enough land on the earth for every person that has EVER lived! But greed for power & wealth holds man back. What George Carlin say, "There's a BIG Club, and you ain't in it!" LOL!

Talk to ya later

Blackthor · 06-22-2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:where a kick to the shin would of sufficed,

The guy shouldn't have been touched at all!

Hei Hu Quan · 06-22-2007, 05:55 PM

TraxusIV, I think I can speak for a great majority when I say that we all want the same things you do in this life. You've always struck me as very intelligent which is why I didn't write you off as a racist. You just seemed very frustrated at a situation and struggling for perspective as we all are. I think the best we can do is stand and be the new role models and raise the bar, to sound the warning bell of an encroaching enemy and fight. All those who compelled to die slowly by calculated attrition and continue cycles of ignorance, stupidity and worship in the temple of the backward will go the way of Vaudeville. The ship of of the world we once knew has been hit by enemy torpedoes and is fast taking on water, there are those of us who are assisting those who want to be saved into the lifeboats. Then there are those who are praying and doing nothing, those who don't believe the damage is that bad and staying put, those who are just fucking about and still more who are awaiting rescue from some mystical super-captain. We'll just have to save who we can and the others will learn horrific lessons their instincts have been warning them for years. There's a lot of pain to go round in this world, but everyone of consciousness needs to use and develop their cunning to transcend this hell and fight, before it's too late. The horrors committed in New Orleans during Katrina by the military, military contractors like Blackwater, state and local law-enforcement, and government agencies like FEMA should be the absolute wake-up call for anyone in the U.S. and especially members of the African-American community.

Cheers friend.

Interzone said:

Quote:Out of all the totally senseless/sickening/sicko acts of violence i`ve ever seen the "black guy" made the most sure of doing the the max damage to the head ,followed by a need to get crowd or peer recognition .may be on my personal expierence the coolness/callousness to line up that 'king' hit
to break a head, where a kick to the shin would of sufficed,makes me also not to give a fuck about
appearing a little off.

What is the crux of a statement like this? What is your point?

interzone · 06-23-2007, 09:16 AM

not trying to make a point .just giving some personal expierence .i`m not commenting on the violence to the guy in the car, but saying that the act of drilling someone til their brains show but
all the wile not being to involved in that act as to not let a little moment of applause from your friends go unnoticed is perhaps the true indication of how an enslaved people 'develop' as time goes by .(the people being australian aborigines)

interzone · 07-02-2007, 10:32 AM

after thinking i want to add that it`s from my perspective that violence born out of oppression, slavery, genocide etc would be like some crime of passion bristling with uncontrolled rage but what i`ve seen is more like a video game with scripted hair flicks and little pauses for applause .