UFO technology transfer to Canada?

[TeslaandLyne]

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Page 15 or ALIENS3, see German-to- Canadian technology transfer:

Quote:independently collected and developed on my own was never covered.
The main person attempting to spread the idea of a "German origin" for the flying saucer, is
an unabashed 'Naziphile' named Ernst Zundel, who owns Samisdat Publishers Ltd., Toronto,
Ontario, Canada. He began his publishings at least as early as 1976, and like me, underwent
intense judicial harassment, but was misled to believe the harassment was because he is a German
"holocaust revisionist' or 'denier', while the apparent reason is because his flying saucer material is
"too close" to the truth. The more Zundel was harassed, the more adamant became his Naziphilia.
Meanwhile, some of his best saucer books went out of print, just as his harassers desired. Zundel
has remained completely unaware that it was really his saucer material which attracted the
animosity of the Canadian national security establishment, pursuant to the secret orders under
which he was judicially harassed, similar to how I was judicially harassed in New Mexico, under
the ostensible guise of "property dealings", during the same approximate period of time.
Though novel in some respects, Zundel's idea of how German saucers worked was incorrect
if not completely lacking, being unfortunately subject to prior Nazi/CIA disinformation via
Paperclip, and a vague idea of jets, rockets, or some mysterious, esoteric "anti-gravity" system of
Felix Schauberger, involving a "water vortex". The Canadians were most likely worried that
Zundel might turn up a German-to-Canadian technology transfer dating to 1945 or soon thereafter.
In 19531 made my first close-up daylight sighting.
In 19611 had discovered the 1941 Nazi testing of the neutron bomb on the Libyan desert. In
1963 I discovered the exact scientific basis for saucer propulsion, and in 1966 found out about the
"stalemate" of 1945, involving 24 German "Electro-U-boats", towing specially designed, smaller
subs , carrying (what I believe may have been V-6) rockets with celestial guidance systems and
armed with neutron bomb warheads, fueled by red mercury (a mercury-antimony oxide which

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originated with alchemists of old). In 1996, a documentation of these small missile-carrying subs,
developed under the "Lafferenz Project"1 was provided to me by Henry Stevens of the German
Research Project, Gorman, California. The smaller, rocket-carrying subs could be tilted to the
correct firing trajectory when desired. Like later American I.C.B.Ms, such as the Polaris A-l
missiles carried by our Lafayette class nuclear powered submarines, the missiles could be fired
from underwater. I also learned in 1974 that Wernher von Braun had worked in New Mexico in
the late 1930s, something which was common knowledge among local rocket pioneers whose
work dated from that period, such as the late Peter van Dresser of Santa Fe and El Rito.
I had no source for the complete saucer electrical theories and mathematical formulae, until
1979, a year in which I made great headway. In that year, I acquired knowledge of a 1937
pre-WW II Illuminati "p2" project at Los Alamos, run by von Braun, and acquired the only known
extant piece of physical evidence from a WW II 1943-vintage German flying saucer, based on the
Tesla discoveries first developed in New Mexico and taken to Germany, before being returned to
New Mexico around 1945. This evidence is a celestial guidance slave compass from the "KT-p2"
project, in which von Braun included the original New Mexico 1937 "p2" project name, after he
had removed it from Los Alamos and transported it to Germany, in 1938, with the apparent good
graces of our FBI. The device was on one of the German saucers brought to post-war Sandia Base
under Operation Paperclip in 1945, soon followed by a 15,000-person German scientific
contingency's exodus to New Mexico2. The guidance system was an invention of Nikola Tesla,
developed and tested on a 200-mile round trip radio controlled aircraft flight test in conjunction
with the Sperry Gyroscope Company, in 19173.1 eventually located the source and substance of
the scientific data and formulas for the saucer, rediscovered the electromagnetic method for its
application, and documented the previously suppressed and intentionally confused historical
background concerning the work of Nikola Tesla. In 1997, I authored OCCULT ETHER
PHYSICS: Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It (ISBN
0-9637467-2-3), which I revised in 1998 (ISBN 0-9637467-6-6). It is a documentation of the
19th century scientific research leading up to Tesla's great discovery, which at its earliest, appeared
to be in 1891.
Zundel had approached the saucer question with the characteristic tunnel vision of one intent
on cleansing away and assuaging German guilt for the crimes of Nazi-era Germany. This is as
silly as an old Stalin-worshiper trying to say that Stalin didn't kill off millions of his own people,
even including ten million members of his own Communist party. When will people realize that
the purpose of Illuminati-created wars is to kill off as many "excess" Germans, Jews, Russians,
Americans, British, French, Gypsies, and other peoples as possible? All Hail, Kali Ma! And when
are people going to realize that, since the 1770's, the ultimate blame does not properly rest on any
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single national group, per se, but with the Illuminati/CFR, rather than with all those who became
the cannon fodder/suckers in this massive international conspiracy of "population control",
munitions-profiteering and power-consolidation, led by a cabal of central world bankers, especially
the banking houses which arose out of the late 18th century German kingdom and the House of
Hesse-Kassel. It is no accident that Adolf and Eva Hitler lived out their last days in Kassel. "Oh,
really!", you exclaim. Read on.
Despite Zundel's controversial view, he was almost correct about Hitler's planned last-ditch
stand against America, using flying saucers and other 'wonder weapons', along with several other
'Wunderwaffen' which were not mentioned as such in Zundel's material, but which I identified for
the first time, as the basis not only for one of Hitler's brilliant alternate plans—according to the
judgment of the best Russian military analysts who later studied it—but for another even more
brilliant plan for which the first plan-evidence of which was conveniently left for the Russians to
find in the Berlin Fuehrerbunker—was a mere cover, and which was actually consummated by the
coercion of a secret amnesty and partnership agreement between the U.S. and Germany, buttressed
by the exodus, under Operation Paperclip, of Nazi saucer R&D, over 400 top scientists, and over
15,000 scientific and technical "slaves", to the U.S. government and the IllumiNazi corporations
and banking interests. This plan is so embarrassing that they dare not fully declassify it even
today. Though this revelation may startle some of you, its truth is gradually falling, piece by piece
into place, from evidence continually surfacing all over the world, especially since the collapse of
the Soviet State.
Some people have mistakenly attempted to trace the destination of the Nazi "technology
transfer" to Antarctica or South America, and I'm sure the CIA fuels this false scenario which they
created. Some of this technology and people involved may initially have gone to South America or
elsewhere prior to the finalization of this agreement, until the treacherous combination of the
German Amt VI ("Dept. 6") SS RSHA (the Nazi organ upon which the CIA was based), the new
CIA created on the Nazi model, and British, Canadian and Australian intelligence, and even
Russian intelligence, found and took care of them, where any critical part of the "Big Secret", or
any key scientist was" involved. The simple truth is that the flying saucer technology and personnel
came to the U.S. of A., lock, stock and barrel, right where Hitler and the rest of his gang agreed to,
in order to buy their asses a new lease on life.
My original edition of this book is the most important publication of all time on flying
saucers. True to my anticipations, the inevitable CIA look-alike books and other
counter-publishings have not plagiarized my original theories, since their objective is not to claim
my theories or to advertise them, but rather to "steal my thunder", to overshadow, cloud and
suppress my actual findings and distribution of my book, and to obliterate what I have to say, with
a voluminous mass of bullshit, spread primarily through the CIA's "UFOlogy network". They
have not attempted to discredit, mention, or even to discuss my theories, since this would attract
the public's attention, invite meaningful dialogue, and draw in true scientific scrutiny, which I
welcome. They prefer to pretend my book does not exist, while using the 'placebo' effect to pacify
the public's continual thirst for answers on impertinent questions, while confusing or misinforming
them on the American and Nazi saucer developments, through CIA-doctored pseudo-leaks and
other blind allies. In addition, they have spewed out a virtual mountain of fresh bullshit, since
August, 1993.
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Looks like the Antarctic Hollow Earth hiding place is a CIA run around for UFO techies.
Too bad.

[TeslaandLyne]

Lafferenz Project

Never heard of it before.

Nazi ICBM project.

Say didn't we start building those in the 50s.

More about Otto Lafferenz

Imagine, History Channel says no A bomb and no Flying Wing 'Amerika' bomber to deliver
it. Thank God we are safe from those Nazis.


Panzermahn Banned

Quote:Post Post subject: U-boat launching V-2 at Baltic 1944
Hi guys,

another interesting rumour is that before the american submarine launched missiles in the 50s, the Kriegsmarine had already test launch V-2 in the Baltic back in 1944 and i understood that there are pictures of it...anyone had more info?

By the way, i knew that the U-boat did experimented with rocket launch back in 1944 with the assistance of von Braun

Guess they talked trash and he got no pictures. Darn those CIA internet text troopers.


The U-Boat Rocket Program

[TeslaandLyne]

Interesting ideas to say the least. Unfortunately, Lyne says he is the only one
who knows:

Quote:There are no documents from the Nazi sources or from our government or
any cooperating government, which have not been either destroyed or permanently
classified, or first been given the disinformation "treatment" by the CIA, before being
"declassified", released or otherwise covertly disseminated through whatever outlets
anyone may claim. This same rule applies to the statements of all active, former, or
retired military or government personnel who were subject to a security order, for a
period of at least 20 years from the date of said order or agreement, and all agreements
of a higher order, relating to knowledge of flying saucers, even apply a lifetime statute of
limitation. Incidentally, I possess the only known true 'leak' from the original Nazi flying
saucer source, via a security lapse of Sandia Base personnel in Albuquerque, New
Mexico. The FBI's statement on this matter was that I could not be prosecuted for
possession or disclosure because I had "...obtained all my information through innocent
means." In addition, I have not been subject to a national security agreement since 1977,
20 years after I signed an agreement while in AF Intelligence in my 18th year. Since I
was never given direct access to flying saucer secrets anyway, the information I
independently collected and developed on my own was never covered.

And so it goes, just another fantasy tale.

[pizzaman777]

You know, i tried to read this book, but couldn't, because he is no better than the people he bashes in this book. I stopped reading at about page 31 (ALIEN19 :biggrin: ) but skipped ahead to his theory about roswell and laughed. Alot of his stuff is hearsay, and his claim that the supposed roswell saucer was a fake and planted there for some government hoax is about as silly as Nick Redfern's idea that the bodies recovered from roswell were Japanese pilots (and at least he admitted later that his source was not very reliable on that).

Quote:The Intelligence personnel who created the hoax, were prohibited from disclosing
classified information. Since the secret saucers they used on the bases at Ft. Bliss, White
Sands and Holloman, were classified, they could not use one of them as an "alien"
saucer. The fake saucer created for the hoax, was apparently the product of amateur
metal workers, because the base where it was fabricated did not have a competent design
or fabrication facility at the time. It was a pathetic failure, because, had it been an "alien
saucer", created by an advanced civilization, capabable of producing advanced
technology capable of coming from light years away, it would have been even more
advanced than the German saucers or early American prototypes possessed at the area's
secret bases.
This early incursion into the special effects, prop-building and hoax-creation, by the
"national security" spooks, was apparently a bitter lesson, which eventually led to them
getting "professional help" from the movie industry labor pool. They not only produce
much better hoaxes today, but have highly advanced cloaking and 'stealth' devices to
conceal the saucers, such as special, color-changing surfaces, combined with color and
image sensors, which make the saucers look like the background they happen to be
hovering or flying in, similar to a chamelion. Anything for a buck, the sky's the limit.

Huh? So he's basically saying every witness involved with the roswell crash was a spook? Wheres the evidence? He trusts the same "insider's" that say UFO's are a global hoax as the UFOlogists' "insider's" that say the exact opposite, that we are being visited. What makes his people so much more credible?

Maybe the Tesla stuff in this book is interesting, but there are a million other books out there that talk about it that i'm sure are better than this. All of his other claims turned me away from this book quickly.

I know we don't see eye to eye about the origin of the saucers TeslaandLyne (me believing some are not ours and you believing all are due to Tesla technology), but can we agree on my sentence aboveabout other tesla books? :biggrin:

[TeslaandLyne]

I have some better links to a web page presentation instead of the pdf page and download.

A lot of his stuff is on the tracker.

Page one ether physics with much of his conspiracy twist:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/oc...cultether01.htm
The contents page:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/oc...er.htm#contents


The main conspiracy book contents page:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/...tagonaliens.htm


He mentions CFR, Illuminati and all the conspiracy elements but gives his own
technical reasons what else might be involved.

Is it overwhelming power desired by bankers or oil companies....

Afghanistan had that gas pipe line that deals fell through with the Taliban,
if the Taliban didn't want so much money for it we might not have went to war for it.

IRAQ oil and an uncooperative Sadam government did have some reason for some
to go to war.

But if you could run cars on air, how would you like that.
Some one in Florida says he can run his car on water.

Amazing, we don't need Haliburton and Chaney and Bush any more.
Not to mention DuBai ports for oil transport.

[TeslaandLyne]

Quote:theory about roswell and laughed. Alot of his stuff is hearsay, and his claim that the supposed roswell saucer was a fake and planted there for some government hoax is about as silly as Nick Redfern's idea that the bodies recovered from roswell were

Lyne lives in New Mexico and research quite a lot and found first hand and local
as you say hear say.

But he indicates reasons for the fakery.

He sold the green dye for the monkeys. He has nurse testimony that knew about the smell as the
autopsy cut open the jet suits.

This fits with the TV presentation of Unsolved Mysteries, still available, that re construct
the events. So well a re construction you would think it would be an easy construction
or fabrication in the first place.


You may hold to the Alien solution if you have one, I don't know if you hold to the Alien ET
explanation, but I don't know of any other that I care for.

So you say that you don't like Lyne's Roswell explanation but don't hold to the
Alien explanation either? But that was the explanation and only one I ever hard of.

No, you say its silly to plant a saucer. Not if you are National Security Intelligence looking
for a cover story.


ED: Wait, I think Lyne thinks its silly as well. But dislikes how well it worked.

[pizzaman777]

I'm not saying I believe the ET explanation is fact, but it's something that probably will never be taken off the table. There are plenty of other well documented cases that would give a better case for a possible ET explanation. But green-dye monkey's and towing a fake saucer out into the desert, that seems a bit extreme to cover up a government saucer.

And like I asked before, what makes Lyne and his interviewees/witnesses any more credible than Marcel, Dubose, Haut and Brazel, among others that say something different?

[TeslaandLyne]

Cred... its what the others have not.

Things just happen to this guy:

Quote:I MEET THE PRESIDENT'S BROTHER-IN-LAW, AND ARNOLD
SCHWARTZENEGGER'S FUTURE FATHER-IN-LAW, IN THE PEACE CORPS
In 1962, 1 applied for the Peace Corps, on a bet with J. Evetts Haley, the western historian.
Our bet was that I would apply for duty in Southeast Asia, and be accepted for South America,
based on "bureaucratic probability". My application was accepted for Ecuador, with training in
Puerto Rico. I never tried to collect on the bet, since it was more in the nature of a joke.
While in training at Arecibo, and at the Universidad Inter Americano at Barranquitas, Puerto
Rico, I had some rather noteworthy experiences. Beginning at Arecibo, I was under close scrutiny
for some reason unknown to me at the time. This immediately followed a fiery speech by Fidel
Castro of Cuba, in which he accused the Peace Corps of being a front for the CIA. I was followed
around by certain administrative people, and even treated rather hostilely. Finally, R. Sargent
Shriver, brother-in-law to President John F. Kennedy, came for a visit, and hung out with me over
several days. Everyone knew who he was, even though he used a phony name. One volunteer even
sculpted a limestone portrait of him. He was checking me out for some unknown reason, and
seemed disconcerted that we agreed on so many things. My friend, Dr. A. Henry Sara-Nee, of
Midland, Texas, had been a graduating classmate of his at Yale Law School, class of '47.
It was near this time that an old Puerto Rican man, who smuggled back and fourth to Cuba in
his row boat, most urgently approached me at a rural cantina, to give me information. The story
that he related to me indicated that he had observed the Russians building what I knew from his
description were nuclear missile silos, equipped with I.C.B.M.S. This was the first information
picked up in the "Cuban Missile Crisis", and I passed the information along, after which it was
verified by intelligence people. The missiles were actually there, contrary to later false reports
(supplied by the CIA) that only fake 'mock-up' missiles were in Cuba. They were apparently
setting Kennedy up, and I knew it, the American public be damned.
It was also near this time mat I was harassed by Peace Corps bureaucrats, because a friend
and I had Puerto Rican girl friends. The friend was a Black guy named Bill, who had won the
Medal of Honor in the Korean War, as a tank commander. The Peace Corps officials particularly
wanted me to stop seeing my girlfriend, a school teacher named Maria, because her brother was
the secretary to the Bishop of Ponce, who had called Munoz Marin a communist Maria had
participated in freedom rides in the southern U.S., and I thought it odd that Peace Corps officials
should be guilty of such bigotry and weirdness. Didn't these guys ever see West Side Story? They
were acting like "Officer Krupke".
I was finally 'selected out' of the Peace Corps, without any reason being given. It would not
be until four years later that I would learn why.
In protest to the Peace Corps having 'separating me out', a group Barranquitas citizens
showed up with placards, in my support. They were Puerto Ricans I'd become acquainted with,
including my girlfriend, her chaperone, and several others. I thanked them for their sympathy, and
said my goodbyes to them, after which we were taken to the San Juan airport, thence flown back to
the U.S. Though the group had little money, they later very sweetly took up a donation and sent a
small gift of money and a nice card, after I reached home.
As I was preparing to depart the training facility at the Universadad Inter Americano at
Barranquitas, I was offered some damaging information on Peace Corps operations, from several
people whom I had already identified as CIA agents. The information ranged from the fact that our
"dance teacher" was paid $120.00 per day, to the fact that many of the male officials abused their
positions by demanding 'bed time' with some of the female recruits. What I also thought was very
odd, was the fact that nearly all the Peace Corps officials and other trainees had almost nothing to
do with the Puertoriquenos, and were discouraged from doing so. At the forefront of this attitude,
were some people from the Union Theological Seminary. When I reached home, I was surprised to
have some media people very anxious to 'expose' the Peace Corps operations. I attributed this to
CIA orchestration as well.
Thanks to Walter Bowart, I read in 1994 that, according to The Report from Iron Mountain

This guy told the CIA about the Russian missiles in Cuba.

Together with JFK he save the world from Nuclear disaster.

And you deny his green dye story.

Well he sure has a lot of nonsense to talk about, might as well make up
a denial of 'official' alien stories somehow that will really peg me as a fool.

I don't think so.

But you must be with the majority of nay sayers.


Search Cuban

Ed: Roswell perhaps a set up for Truman and cover for New Mexico operations

And I ask you. Who are Marcel, Dubose, Haut and Brazel, among others that say something different?
Never heard of them. You must be well read in that area, looking for answers or just conversation.

[TeslaandLyne]

From Lyne above quote above:

Quote:This early incursion into the special effects, prop-building and hoax-creation, by the
"national security" spooks, was apparently a bitter lesson, which eventually led to them
getting "professional help" from the movie industry labor pool. They not only produce
much better hoaxes today, but have highly advanced cloaking and 'stealth' devices to
conceal the saucers, such as special, color-changing surfaces, combined with color and
image sensors, which make the saucers look like the background they happen to be
hovering or flying in, similar to a chamelion. Anything for a buck, the sky's the limit.

Ha, apparently Lyne is unaware of the real properties of the Aether Craft.

The electrical corona of various colors.

The surrounding by ionized air for cloaking that only photos pic up as dots in the sky.

Lyne never had YouTube and the internet photos to see much more observations
to come up with a new determination.