US Sikhs angry over turban plan

[MrBS]

US Sikh organisations have expressed anger over changes allowing airport security staff to "pat down" turbans.

Until now turbans have been searched or removed only to resolve an unexplained alarm from an airport metal detector.

But now security will have greater discretion to inspect turbans so that they can be manually checked for objects such as non-metallic weapons.

However Sikh groups have responded to the new measures by describing them as outrageous and discriminatory.

Sikh men wear turbans to cover their hair, which they leave uncut in accordance with their religion.

Organisations representing Sikhs have only recently completed a publicity campaign to explain the significance of the kirpan, or religious sword, to security officials.

The Transportation Security Administration insisted the new policy was necessary to counter the threat of improvised bombs and chemical weapons.

In Britain, the government said recently that private searches of turbans might be necessary as part of airport security.

Source: BBC News

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I don't seem to recall Sikhs ever doing any terrorist attacks in the USA. In recent times I don't remember them doing any terrorist attacks, certainly not in Western countries.

Why are Sikhs being targetted in such a disgusting way? Hey Mr President wasn't it 19 Muslims who did 9/11?

Oh I get it - they're just the same as Muslims, those "rag heads" or "sand niggers" as some like to call them. Well you do remember the "First they came for the Jews..." quote don't you? Perhaps we can start it with Sikhs and have a category of people you do care about somewhere later on...... Liberals, Activists, Athiests, Conspiracy Theorists?

One could argue that Irish people, or perhaps people with Irish sounding names get extra airport security attention, in light of much Irish IRA terrorism (relatively) recently.

Perhaps we could argue that men with short hair and ex-soldiers get extra security checks in light of the fact that it matches the description perfectly of "Oklahoma Bomber And Baby Killer" McVeigh, the only other terrorist one might link with a direct attack on America.

Someones now gonna tell me that Muslims are gonna start wearing turbans and hide as Sikhs in order to get on planes?

We all know Osama is so much more intelligent than that, wouldn't he just hand-pick a few crazy whitish Muslims to get fat, wear stupid hats and disguise themselves as a white American?

[deathstickboy]

Actually, there have been examples of Sikh terrorism, and some Sikh organizations are considered a terrorist organizations.

The Air India flight 182 bombing was a rather high profile case here in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/airindia/

Part of the religious obligations of the 10% or so fundamentalist or traditionalist (maybe) Sikhs is to never cut their hair, wear a turban, and carry a dagger. They are basically considered "holy warriors" and protectors of their faith and people, which is part of the reason they change or add 'Singh' (Lion) to their name.

There could be a justification made by the government on that basis to some degree, but of course its utter bullshit. I don't think they are being targetted specifically any more than any other group persay. This is just an example of how their particular culture is being abused by the police state and global "harmonization" bullshit being shoved down our collective throats.

There have been a few court cases here in Canada, wearby they have been permitted to wear their knives in places they are normally not allowed at all, like in schools and on airplanes, provided the knives meet the other applicable laws (worn openly, blade 6" in length or less).
They are also not required to wear helmets or hats they would otherwise be required to wear by law or by duty in government service, so you can see that it is a very important aspect of their faith and religious which they have fought tooth and nail for in this country.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but basically, any group can be made into terrorists. Al-CIA-Duh has been hyped for 7 years, sure, but before that, if you recall, they were hyping white nationalist terrorism in America. Potential "terrorists" can be found in the extreme parts of any belief system, religious or political. I think that is part of the larger mind fuck of the so called war on terror, to get people afraid or literally everyone who is different from them in some way, afterall with all these crazy terrorists of every stripe, who can save us except for the all mighty government?

[Guest]

I wouldn't call it discriminatory against Sikhs. It's certainly not racial OR religiously based. Why? Arab's also wear turbans and they're neither the same religion, race or language.

Yassir Arafat and Osama Bin Laden were two turban wearing Arabs.

Hell, even Yosemite Sam has worn a turban....lol. Bugs Bunny tore a piece off the back like it was a paper towel dispenser. LOL

[albertpike248]

In Canadian Provincial jails, Sikhs can wear turbans as well. But, they have to remove them for security searches if asked. I don't think they can get onto construction sites without removing their turbans and wearing a safety hat.

I have seen Sikhs without turbans or facial hair. What's up with that?

[deathstickboy]

Quote:I don't think they can get onto construction sites without removing their turbans and wearing a safety hat.

I have seen Sikhs without turbans or facial hair. What's up with that?

No, they don't have to wear hard hats from what I understand, but maybe it varies from province to province. Its only the "really serious" 10% or so who actually adhere fully to those traditions.
Most of them just wear a steel bracelet (Karra) and maintain a neat goatee if anything. :laugh:

[Shinobi]

Quote:One could argue that Irish people, or perhaps people with Irish sounding names get extra airport security attention, in light of much Irish IRA terrorism (relatively) recently.

We do, I did coming back from Amsterdam
the passport inspector asked me where did I come from after showing my passport as clear can be
I felt like saying something like 'I came from mars but had to hike the rest of the way'

I said the obvious thing " Over there, from that giant aeroplane " where everyone else just did
and then with that " Can I see your passport again please "
so I showed it again and was asked " Where did you arrive from "
this was pretty obvious & stupid and it was making me laugh but the inspector looked pissed off
all my other friends went through hassle free and long left off to go home
they all had English passports, but just big old me happened to have an Irish one....

Where I did come from was just a single walkway to the checkout and to the aeroplane I had just stepped off
one way you know, you couldnt miss the big signs etc or the aeroplane outside lol
also the inspector already knew what flight had just come in to that terminal and where from
as thats her/his job right ? if not, since when did they suddenly become interrogation officers
then it just hit me that it must be because I have an Irish passport as I was the only one
that got off that plane who happened to get stopped instantly as soon as I showed my pass
and this stupid inspector seems to think that because I have an Irish passport
it is something for her to get excited about and decides to call over customs lol

There I am now wondering wtf, I was still pretty spaced out from the skunkfest weekend
and basically hungover like I drank outer every bar n pub in Amsterdam.

The customs came over looked me up & down and asked for my passport
so I obliged and with that the tall dude says " Sorry for the trouble mate " .. errrr haha is that it ?
of course I was like " uhm yeah okay " was starting to freak out a bit and wanted to get out
within that short space of time they had name checked me and all of my details, I wasnt I.R.A I guess
and with all that happened I was a bit shaky so I went to the first exit I saw on the way out
though little did I realise it was an unmarked fire escape lmao this looked really baaaad.

The same customs officer then came over and directed me to the proper exit, thank fuck!
I can honestly say aswell that I did not look stoned and was dressed quite smart with 1 rucksack
and was clearly seen with all my friends walking up towards the checkout before
its an authority thing with these idiots and lots of them are descriminative
but I just smile on and dont go around shouting anti-paddyites :biggrin:

Maybe I do pass as looking like an I.R.A terrorist, but what does an I.R.A terrorist look like ?
I guess all you need to qualify is an Irish passport! Thanks England I love you!:love:
even when I came back from Jamaica I had a similar experience to this
so it doesnt matter what part of the world you fly in from to England
if you're Irish you get a hard time! :laugh:

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I once spent some 6 years together with a Sikh woman but her family never knew but one of her brothers had a white english long term girlfriend and they knew about that. I guess they could cope with that but they wanted the trad deal for her..I doubt it happened tbh. You know what these religions are like about dna. but that was then. What a shame that in combination to an outcry to such ridiculous attempts to make stupid laws they aren't also vocally up in arms against very prominent members of the english defence league coming from their generally very cool community as part of the new UK

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edit) someone was just looking at the thread and i made a comment. um, but what are we doing here anyway? It's just like a kind of mad zone of sanity and fearful delusion mixed together and we are ball taking strange solace from the congregation? oh well, i like it anyway. thanks concen you are a great site



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[Deathaniel]

(08-25-2007 12:47 PM)MrBS Wrote:  US Sikh organisations have expressed anger over changes allowing airport security staff to "pat down" turbans.

Until now turbans have been searched or removed only to resolve an unexplained alarm from an airport metal detector.

But now security will have greater discretion to inspect turbans so that they can be manually checked for objects such as non-metallic weapons.

However Sikh groups have responded to the new measures by describing them as outrageous and discriminatory.

Sikh men wear turbans to cover their hair, which they leave uncut in accordance with their religion.

religion is a personal thing not to affect public law and policy, if they don't want to be searched don't fly... too bad!

MrBS Wrote:Organisations representing Sikhs have only recently completed a publicity campaign to explain the significance of the kirpan, or religious sword, to security officials.

The Transportation Security Administration insisted the new policy was necessary to counter the threat of improvised bombs and chemical weapons.

[quote/]
well i'm a nationalist i want to carry my ceremonial lugar on to the plane with me will they let me? wtf too f'n bad re swords i'd make them put in luggage or not at all, once again separation of church and state, so any and all religon should have no effects on public policy if sensitivities r hurt too bad talk to god bout it see what he says.

[quote='MrBS']
In Britain, the government said recently that private searches of turbans might be necessary as part of airport security.

Source: BBC News

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I don't seem to recall Sikhs ever doing any terrorist attacks in the USA. In recent times I don't remember them doing any terrorist attacks, certainly not in Western countries.

[quote/]
so because they don't advertise anti west but attack others we should give them a free pass... really? you must be a troll or a retard not sure which!
[quote='MrBS']
Why are Sikhs being targetted in such a disgusting way? Hey Mr President wasn't it 19 Muslims who did 9/11?
[quote/]
not it was the jews so they could get a war going and dump a non profitable unsellable building!!! a few muslims just were fortunate to get credit for it!!!

[quote='MrBS']
Oh I get it - they're just the same as Muslims, those "rag heads" or "sand niggers" as some like to call them. Well you do remember the "First they came for the Jews..." quote don't you? Perhaps we can start it with Sikhs and have a category of people you do care about somewhere later on...... Liberals, Activists, Athiests, Conspiracy Theorists?

One could argue that Irish people, or perhaps people with Irish sounding names get extra airport security attention, in light of much Irish IRA terrorism (relatively) recently.

Perhaps we could argue that men with short hair and ex-soldiers get extra security checks in light of the fact that it matches the description perfectly of "Oklahoma Bomber And Baby Killer" McVeigh, the only other terrorist one might link with a direct attack on America.

Someones now gonna tell me that Muslims are gonna start wearing turbans and hide as Sikhs in order to get on planes?
[quote/]

yep thats exactally what i'd do if i was them (muslims and knew turbans ar't searched)! Of course if i was them and had the imaginary ax to grind there'd be no air travel as no one would be foolish enough to risk it. Were just lucky most r under educated and don't have chem degrees. rather then signal out anyone they r just putting full body scanners in airports so we can see everything on everyone... but as many here will say thats not an option most favor and now it's learned the scanners r medically unsafe.

[quote='MrBS']
We all know Osama is so much more intelligent than that, wouldn't he just hand-pick a few crazy whitish Muslims to get fat, wear stupid hats and disguise themselves as a white American?

why?! when dressing as women and other cultures had worked so often in the past in countries that put religious rules ahead of common sense and vigilance! didn't he escape in a dress from a village in Afghanistan once b4 himself? I see your banned and i can figure why... though would love to hear your attempt @ rational. plain and simple don't like security @ air ports don't fly... they still have boats crossing the oceans for those who want to go home.