Holocaust Analysis

[R.R]

I have remarked many times before that IF whoever is running the world is eliminated - what then? The problems of the world will still exist and some things, like technological progress, carry the seeds of further tyranny meaning we will still see atrocities everywhere.

You guys make it too simplistic in that all we need to do is get rid of a certain group and the world's problems will magically disappear. Maybe, just maybe, the reason so much genocide occurs is because this system of modern human organization demands it. You guys want to continue this system just without a certain group at the top. That will in no way solve anything. War has been the primary organizing principle for society for thousands of years. Society is organised with its war making principle taken into account first. This carries with it 'political pragmatism' which leads to the many conspiratorial methods that are discussed on this site.

Not only that but the hate that comes out of your mouths suggests the world won't be a much better place if people like you were running it. There is no mention of any type of peace coming from you clowns. On the contrary you have threads were you discuss biology, savages and technological advancement - themes that when taken together mean any society you dream up will still be a war making one first and foremost which you will justify along biological lines - just as 'the Jews' and their chosen race ideology. The terms you use clearly suggest you view other people as beneath you and not worthy of consideration - again just like your enemy 'the Jews'.

And for the record I have studied the holocaust but my research in other matters tells me that, real or fabricated, it is not of the significance you guys give it credit for.

If anyone is brainwashed by 'Jews' it is you guys, simply because if you did get rid of them you would still create the world that they are trying to create.

[GasseGeir]

(12-03-2012 06:17 AM)R.R Wrote:  You guys make it too simplistic in that all we need to do is get rid of a certain group and the world's problems will magically disappear.

Well, let's try. I emphasize that I'm not talking about genocide. I'm talking about kicking the Jews, and their Goy co-conspirators, down from their big throne. Power to the people - not to the "Chosen."

[Frank2]

(12-03-2012 04:13 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  I emphasize that I'm not talking about genocide.

That much has been clear from the get go.

[fujiinn]

(12-03-2012 04:13 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 06:17 AM)R.R Wrote:  You guys make it too simplistic in that all we need to do is get rid of a certain group and the world's problems will magically disappear.

Well, let's try. I emphasize that I'm not talking about genocide. I'm talking about kicking the Jews, and their Goy co-conspirators, down from their big throne. Power to the people - not to the "Chosen."

First a note: I'm not making fun of you.

Where do we start? Do we create a new party and run for the elections in order to create legislation that would somehow marginalize Jewish influence in the state? Do we get to power by force? Do we assassinate random Jews? How do we recognize them?

[SiLVa]

(12-02-2012 09:11 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  Oh yes, being Jewish is the problem. These guys I just mentioned, however, are not Jews. They are human beings. Jew and humans are opposites and incompatible.

Please understand that it is possible to cease being a Jew, like Nathanael Kapner did.

People who identify with Jew want to exterminate all non-Jews, or in the very least make them their slaves. This is also written in the Jewish book called the Talmud.

Have you ever personally known anyone that claimed to be jewish?
I have. 2 close friends I had growing up, 1 during my early teenage years to late twenties and one from my late teenage years to present. Both were kids I met thru other friends, both claimed to be jewish yet neither were religious or extremists in any sense whether politically or religiously.
One was an american raised white kid never knew a word of hebrew or ever seen a jewish holy book. Went on to become a local undergound HipHop DJ/music producer - Hardly the racist type. One of them was a darker skinned arab Israeli, married a Russian Orthodox Christian. He was brought up in the religion but was never devout...he loved to BBQ any beef, pork - kosher didnt mean shit. He made more of an effort to be involved more in the religion when it came to family gatherings as he got older and had children etc,. He started his own plumbing business a couple years ago and is just a regular hard working American, who by the way never read a word of the Talmud and considers America his home not Israel. Both of them and I have had multiple conversations/debates on issues regarding Israel/Palestine, American foreign policy, 9/11, War on terrorism. Both of their views on these topics do vary- neither one of them totally see things the same way. And you'd probably be surprised to find out which one believes 9/11 was an inside job and cant stand either political party. Which one belives muslims did 9/11 and votes democrat. You see the thing is...
You may think you know or can make assumptions about a whole group of people but you really dont know shit until you can talk to them as individuals.

[R.R]

(12-03-2012 04:13 PM)GasseGeir Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 06:17 AM)R.R Wrote:  You guys make it too simplistic in that all we need to do is get rid of a certain group and the world's problems will magically disappear.

Well, let's try. I emphasize that I'm not talking about genocide. I'm talking about kicking the Jews, and their Goy co-conspirators, down from their big throne. Power to the people - not to the "Chosen."

You sound just like the Marxists/Socialists/Communists etc - lets just get rid of the capitalists and everything will be ok.

Those groups spent all their time inventing plots on how to overthrow their overlords and studying their crimes. When they did get in power they realised they hadn't actually thought about what they were going to do if they ever got into power, hence the stupidity of a lot of those early regimes.

Its the blind leading the blind and show cases a lot of arrogance. You only think things will be better because it is you and not them in charge. It is a very similar concept to people who carry resentments towards their parents and 'vow' to bring their kids up 'properly' - their only reason for thinking they are capable of such a task is because 'they have been wronged'.

What I'm getting at here, and in my last few posts, is to question the motives and awareness of the claimant, for they expose the soundness of their proposals.

[rayraydog]

Any so called "Historical fact" that has laws that make it a crime to investigate and challenge the facts that make this history a fact of history is obvious to anyone with a brain to be Bologna. Historical fact fears not a challenge to the evidence that make up it. By making it illegal to challenge these "Facts" shows that the facts cannot stand up to those who question such "History".

What is important is to educate your family and friends about the truth, provide your children and grandchildren with the tools to research the information and arrive at the truth.

I have found it more important to teach your children, grandchildren, to research why the so called "jews" are the most hated people ever to walk the earth. let them arrive at their own conclusions.

When someone understands the difference between a Semite and a non Semite , and the history and geographical movements of those who today claim to be "jews" AKA "Semite" ,, It's much easier get them interested in defending the truth.

[SirBustaBear]

(03-31-2013 04:20 PM)rayraydog Wrote:  Any so called "Historical fact" that has laws that make it a crime to investigate and challenge the facts that make this history a fact of history is obvious to anyone with a brain to be Bologna. Historical fact fears not a challenge to the evidence that make up it. By making it illegal to challenge these "Facts" shows that the facts cannot stand up to those who question such "History".

First of all: the established historical views on the Shoah do not "depend" on these hate laws. They are actually based on an overwhelming amount of real evidence. Evidence which Shoah deniers usually avoid to talk about.

Jean-Claude Pressac: Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers ("One proof … one single proof")
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...operation/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...0429.shtml
http://concen.org/forum/thread-15910-pos...#pid242871

Index of published evidence on mass extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...ce-on.html

Testimonies of prisoners (hearsay) on mass extermination in Auschwitz
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.p...-on_7.html

Evidence for the Holocaust
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_d..._Holocaust

Denying History - Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it? (see chapters 6 and 7)
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=25819

What proof exists that the Nazis practiced genocide or deliberately killed six million Jews?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html

Secondly: yes, establishing the hate laws was probably not a good idea at all; however they are not hard evidence for the existence of a massive conspiracy of forgers, instructors and torturers; deniers try to use this argument to suggest this, to give the whole story a certain interpretational "spin". Yet they are not able to explain away the evidence, let alone explain in a plausible way how it was possible to run an alleged "hoaxing" operation of that size, which yet for some strange reason left no hard evidence in support of that theory whatsoever.

There is of course at least one other possible reason why the hate laws have been set up, especially in Europe: one would be of course that the politicians after the fresh impression of the systematic and industrialized persecutions during the war wanted to make sure that this never could happen again. They – maybe unjustified – identified a certain mindset as being in part responsible and wanted to make sure that such a mindset would never be able to form again. Of course they overstated their case, if only by the sad fact that with that action they delivered a fake argument to the deniers in the future.

(03-31-2013 04:20 PM)rayraydog Wrote:  I have found it more important to teach your children, grandchildren, to research why the so called "jews" are the most hated people ever to walk the earth. let them arrive at their own conclusions.

You are making certain prejudiced assumptions already ("most hated people ever") and by posing such a "Jewish question" at all you are already driving them into a certain direction.

[Watchdog]

At this point does it doesn't really matter anymore if someone chooses to beLIEve the numbers, or not, because the consequences of that piece of HIS_stroy are there for everyone to see! And that is very telling...