Masons Behind Britain's Network Of Spy Cameras

[Shinobi]

Ohh you're such a stalker Light Invisible :-) please dont flatter me too much
I better keep my units down or you will be on my case, didums!
for a start it takes living in such communities experiencing the life around you to get the full picture
not everyone living in the ghettos has or have TV's. Not everyone living there is a vandal either.
It's the system/s and you already know it, gangster rap has nothing to do with it.
Didnt they try to blame Rock & Roll once ? Oh yes they did.
As per usual it is used as a scape goat to justify governments corrupt needs
and the power to pass more & more big brother laws and ridiculous legislation
the media in turn blow it out of proportion, I mean thats their job! most are paid agents
and its always exagerated lies and misdirected articles with meaningless fairy tales about yobs BlahBlah!

Rubbish still stands chap, you clearly misunderstand the real agenda behind these cctv cameras.

[Guest]

Quote:Good ban them! I don't understand why normal people carrying out lawful activities feel a need to disguise themselves.

Maybe we should also ban wigs and sunglasses too? How about government mandated shaving so that nobody can grow a beard or moustache to alter their appearance? Let's also ban facial reconstruction for burn victims lest they are felonious while at it! Oh, and no cosmetic boob jobs or nose jobs either...

LI, do you support the right of trans-vestites/genders to dress as they so choose and to assume the appearance of the opposite sex? I think a tranny would scare my grandparents a heck of a lot more than a 4 y/o in a hoodie.

[Light Invisible]

Quote:for a start it takes living in such communities experiencing the life around you to get the full picture
not everyone living in the ghettos has or have TV's. Not everyone living there is a vandal either.

That would be valid if we were talking about "ghettoes" but I'm not. Where I live, a suburb of London called Bexleyheath, is (or was) posh, not millionaire posh but just nice posh, especially compared to where I grew up in SE London. I witness gangs of 20-30 kids (poss as young as 12) roaming where I live, smashing up the bus stop over the road and stopping buses like highway men (ie in the road) f@cking about in people's gardens and breaking stuff, how is that normal?

Quote:It's the system/s and you already know it, gangster rap has nothing to do with it.

I'm not singling out a particular type of music, I'm talking about the yoof culture that is encouraged by it. gangsta rappers have got to earn money, like anyone else but it is what they portray(act out) that the young take to heart.

Quote:Didnt they try to blame Rock & Roll once ? Oh yes they did.

Yep but not for teenagers shooting each other.

Quote:As per usual it is used as a scape goat to justify governments corrupt needs
and the power to pass more & more big brother laws and ridiculous legislation
the media in turn blow it out of proportion, I mean thats their job! most are paid agents
and its always exagerated lies and misdirected articles with meaningless fairy tales about yobs BlahBlah!

Like I said i'm talking about stuff I'm living in not reading about on the Net

Quote:Rubbish still stands chap, you clearly misunderstand the real agenda behind these cctv cameras.

No I don't think so, I might have when I was still about 17.

[Light Invisible]

Quote:Maybe we should also ban wigs and sunglasses too? How about government mandated shaving so that nobody can grow a beard or moustache to alter their appearance? Let's also ban facial reconstruction for burn victims lest they are felonious while at it! Oh, and no cosmetic boob jobs or nose jobs either...

Well if lots of gangs started roaming the streets (oh i just cracked up thinking about a gang called the wiggies) using wigs to disguise themselves whilst carrying out illegal activities, I might think it was a possibilities but as their not I don't think it's a sensible proposition. Maybe the wearing of sunglasses (without a medical pass) on days that werent sunny would be feasible.

Quote:LI, do you support the right of trans-vestites/genders to dress as they so choose and to assume the appearance of the opposite sex? I think a tranny would scare my grandparents a heck of a lot more than a 4 y/o in a hoodie.

Honestly? I've never thought about it!

We're not talking about 4y/os here. However, having just heard a news report on the radio about the Priory Rehab Centre (here in London) admitting that it has been treating children as young as 10 for alcohol and coccaine addiction you might not be that far off.

[strawman]

Quote:Well if lots of gangs started roaming the streets (oh i just cracked up thinking about a gang called the wiggies) using wigs to disguise themselves whilst carrying out illegal activities, I might think it was a possibilities but as their not I don't think it's a sensible proposition. Maybe the wearing of sunglasses (without a medical pass) on days that werent sunny would be feasible.

You can't be serious. I'm not going to bite too hard because I think (and surely) you must be taking the piss, especially with the sunglasses crack.

I still think you're way off base trying to dispel the symptoms rather than cure the illness. Paranoid or not (and is paranoia really a bad trait these days?), explain to me why kids aren't still listening to the Beatles-style pop. Surely it's not because generation after generation decided that this music or that tv show wasn't good enough for them. It's because the people who deliver mass media decide what each generation will watchsten to. The kids that vandalize and run in gangs are essentially programmed to do so, as your understanding of tv's influence supports. Thus your reaction (support of CCTV) is also programmed, and as the input to the children gets more detrimental, the support of more restrictive measures will be the result. Pretty soon the masses will be begging to get a chip, just to prove that they're not guilty of anything.

'Tis a slippery slope, LI. Don't get caught on it with your galoshes on.

[Light Invisible]

Quote:You can't be serious. I'm not going to bite too hard because I think (and surely) you must be taking the piss, especially with the sunglasses crack.

Thank f@ck for that, I was beginning to think that no one here could tell when I was being serious and when I'm joking.

Quote:I still think you're way off base trying to dispel the symptoms rather than cure the illness.

Trust me I would much rather see the causes stamped out and I have touched on them earlier. Everything here in Britain is not well. We have allowed the Eurocrats to implement Hitler's original plan for us without a shot being fired. Our own people are too deluded to prevent the "Europeanisation" that is being forced on us by our Goverment which is now a puppet of Brussels.

I've just deleted a large tract of rambling and I've realised something, my own views are becoming far more Nationlist than they have ever been before. I think it's because I can see what my country is becoming and I've realised I loved my country before it started, a strange realisation.

Quote:Paranoid or not (and is paranoia really a bad trait these days?), explain to me why kids aren't still listening to the Beatles-style pop. Surely it's not because generation after generation decided that this music or that tv show wasn't good enough for them. It's because the people who deliver mass media decide what each generation will watchsten to.

The music itself, is just a trend and the problem is not really who is supplying what. If no one bought drugs off drug dealers they would go out of business. Supply is always inked to demand. The problem is the end users, in this case it lays with the parents of these children relinquishing their duty to them and not helping them with guidance, discipline and respect (for themselves and others). One day when you have kids of your own, you will understand where I'm coming from.

Quote:The kids that vandalize and run in gangs are essentially programmed to do so, as your understanding of tv's influence supports. Thus your reaction (support of CCTV) is also programmed, and as the input to the children gets more detrimental, the support of more restrictive measures will be the result. Pretty soon the masses will be begging to get a chip, just to prove that they're not guilty of anything.

I don't agree that my response is programmed, it's not support, it is just a non-hysterical understanding of why they're being used. The answer to this particular problem is to somehow enact a system whereby parents are made to think about the damage they are lining up for everyone when they allow their kids to do this stuff. Just to explain we have a programme on the telly called "Super Nanny", it is about some fat bird, who goes round to people's houses and shows them what arses they are, not to be able to control their 6y/o kids, I mean come on. What is going on?

I don't know what the answer is and I agree that CCTV is not the answer, it is just a stop-gap.

Mike

[ephilution]

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Quote:Well if lots of gangs started roaming the streets (oh i just cracked up thinking about a gang called the wiggies) using wigs to disguise themselves whilst carrying out illegal activities, I might think it was a possibilities but as their not I don't think it's a sensible proposition. Maybe the wearing of sunglasses (without a medical pass) on days that werent sunny would be feasible.

You can't be serious. I'm not going to bite too hard because I think (and surely) you must be taking the piss, especially with the sunglasses crack.

I still think you're way off base trying to dispel the symptoms rather than cure the illness. Paranoid or not (and is paranoia really a bad trait these days?), explain to me why kids aren't still listening to the Beatles-style pop. Surely it's not because generation after generation decided that this music or that tv show wasn't good enough for them. It's because the people who deliver mass media decide what each generation will watchsten to. The kids that vandalize and run in gangs are essentially programmed to do so, as your understanding of tv's influence supports. Thus your reaction (support of CCTV) is also programmed, and as the input to the children gets more detrimental, the support of more restrictive measures will be the result. Pretty soon the masses will be begging to get a chip, just to prove that they're not guilty of anything.

'Tis a slippery slope, LI. Don't get caught on it with your galoshes on.

Strawman is right you know and this programming he talks about is known as predictive programming (PP) the aim of which is to familiarise the public to pending cultural changes and steer it towards a pavlovian acceptance once these changes are put through by the culture creators. PP literally programs the public into accepting pending societal changes without even them knowing that they are being programmed and think it's all normal once these changes occur. This whole clamour about the brainchip is an excellent example of PP and the Star Trek movies/series featuring the brainchipped Borg is an excellent piece of predictive programming and aims to persuade the public into accepting the brainchip without muttering because it will be advertised as being God's gift on the planet by promising superpowers to its host and what not.

If you'd like to know more about predictive programming and culture creation I strongly advice you to check out Alan Watt website: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/ . This long standing and very knowledge researcher is an excellent teacher of these and tons more matters pertinent to society and humanity.

[Light Invisible]

Quote:Strawman is right you know and this programming he talks about is known as predictive programming (PP) the aim of which is to familiarise the public to pending cultural changes and steer it towards a pavlovian acceptance once these changes are put through by the culture creators. PP literally programs the public into accepting pending societal changes without even them knowing that they are being programmed and think it's all normal once these changes occur. This whole clamour about the brainchip is an excellent example of PP and the Star Trek movies/series featuring the brainchipped Borg is an excellent piece of predictive programming and aims to persuade the public into accepting the brainchip without muttering because it will be advertised as being God's gift on the planet by promising superpowers to its host and what not.

So you think that my slipping into a reactive Nationalist frame of mind due to our loss of sovereignty and family values is what the government wants.

I see that as highly unlikely, as if say another several hundred thousand Britons are reacting this way our British National Party may be about to hit the limelight.

Mike

[ephilution]

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Quote:Strawman is right you know and this programming he talks about is known as predictive programming (PP) the aim of which is to familiarise the public to pending cultural changes and steer it towards a pavlovian acceptance once these changes are put through by the culture creators. PP literally programs the public into accepting pending societal changes without even them knowing that they are being programmed and think it's all normal once these changes occur. This whole clamour about the brainchip is an excellent example of PP and the Star Trek movies/series featuring the brainchipped Borg is an excellent piece of predictive programming and aims to persuade the public into accepting the brainchip without muttering because it will be advertised as being God's gift on the planet by promising superpowers to its host and what not.

So you think that my slipping into a reactive Nationalist frame of mind due to our loss of sovereignty and family values is what the government wants.

The dissolution of the family unit is what the government wants. The family unit is the last vestige of tribal based resistance to a perfect dictatorial regime. Ask yourself why is it that more and more marriages end up in divorce, why children are being alienated from their parents through media indoctrination. Why do parents have less and less time left to spend with their children? Why is the oldest generation no longer the wise generation? Also for reasons of destroying the family unit the Elite introduced "free love" and flooded the streets with drugs.

Don't get me wrong I understand your natural disgust of what is becoming of today's youths but it is unfortunately all part of the bigger scheme of things and was, sorry to say, indeed also planned that way. It is very much like the old masonic adage Ordo ab Chao. Chaos is what our leaders need in order for them to have an excuse to move in and restore order, on their terms that is. The "war on terror" actually is a misnomer and is not a war being waged against extremist Islam or abstract notions of dark colored terrorists, but rather is a "war of terror" against the public you see. It is meant to destroy the backbone of resistance against the NWO, which is the natural cohesion of the family unit.

[standvast]

Quote:Strawman is right you know and this programming he talks about is known as predictive programming (PP) the aim of which is to familiarise the public to pending cultural changes and steer it towards a pavlovian acceptance once these changes are put through by the culture creators. PP literally programs the public into accepting pending societal changes without even them knowing that they are being programmed and think it's all normal once these changes occur. This whole clamour about the brainchip is an excellent example of PP and the Star Trek movies/series featuring the brainchipped Borg is an excellent piece of predictive programming and aims to persuade the public into accepting the brainchip without muttering because it will be advertised as being God's gift on the planet by promising superpowers to its host and what not.

Just thinking on a sidestep, in examples of PP or conditioning, as CCTV was sort of the issue...
Imagine how good a job of getting used to lenses everywhere detecting you
is done by putting a camera in nearly every mobile phone, 10 dollar or free webcams, etc.
there used to be laws against people filming you without authorisation or announcement,
especially if the footage would be used for commercial benefit.
The system operates on commercial profit, building / maintaining prisons has become a large Industry.