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drew hempel · 09-03-2009, 03:47 PM

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Hinduism/2...cience.aspx?p=3

There's a dialectical reversal of "spiritual science" as patriarchy and feminism as "techno-spirituality" -- the same reason the author above attacks Vandana Shiva, nuclear physicist turned indigenous ecologist activist. I met Michael Cremo and he's linked my masters thesis on his website, etc. But the detailed critique of his research is pretty thorough -- essentially a lot of the earlier archaeology "discoveries" were also based on the biases -- cultural biases -- and lack of rigorous methodology. Not that the same problem isn't true today and in fact as science advances "spiritual" the "history" of humans devolves even faster. The problem with the Hare Krishnas (Cremo's affiliation) is that they believe in eternal individual immortality -- just like the Christians -- but Advaita Vedanta is the original "feminist" teaching -- that all individuality returns back to impersonal universal consciousness without form. It's the same as the "empty awareness" of Buddhism but since our own nonexistence is so terrifying -- Kali's power of destruction -- it's easier to endless "debate" our history, future, in philosophical or "conceptual" consciousness.

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Quote:http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Hinduism/2...cience.aspx?p=3

There's a dialectical reversal of "spiritual science" as patriarchy and feminism as "techno-spirituality" -- the same reason the author above attacks Vandana Shiva, nuclear physicist turned indigenous ecologist activist. I met Michael Cremo and he's linked my masters thesis on his website, etc. But the detailed critique of his research is pretty thorough -- essentially a lot of the earlier archaeology "discoveries" were also based on the biases -- cultural biases -- and lack of rigorous methodology. Not that the same problem isn't true today and in fact as science advances "spiritual" the "history" of humans devolves even faster. The problem with the Hare Krishnas (Cremo's affiliation) is that they believe in eternal individual immortality -- just like the Christians -- but Advaita Vedanta is the original "feminist" teaching -- that all individuality returns back to impersonal universal consciousness without form. It's the same as the "empty awareness" of Buddhism but since our own nonexistence is so terrifying -- Kali's power of destruction -- it's easier to endless "debate" our history, future, in philosophical or "conceptual" consciousness.

Quote:Brahma satyaṃ jagat mithyā, jīvo brahmaiva nāparah — Brahman is the only truth, the world is illusion, and there is ultimately no difference between Brahman and individual self

'succinctly summarises' the philosophy of Adi Shankara, apparently.

I'm not really au fait with the gender narratives in comtemporary Hinduism and although I do find Vedic devolution theories interesting, my own main interest is the actual anomalous archeological finds that the scientific establishment are more than happy to maintain a taboo on discussing.

Cremo detailed over 900 seperate incidences in Forbidden Archeology, as I'm sure you know, Drew and has garnered a not insignificant amount of respect from quarters within mainstream archeological academia.

I don't buy it that anywhere near all of the 900 + initial papers made from digs that he later dug up again from the records can all be attributed to misinterpretation due to 'cultural bias'.. for one, that completely overlooks the scientific methods which were used to determine the very anomalies that ultimately has tried to have their discovery suppressed.

Doesn't sound plausible at all..I think the author's (of the article) stance is so single issue oriented towards exposing hindu nationalism that they have been rendered incapable of separating the wheat from the chaff

Hindu nationalism aside - and it is an interesting piece, so thanks.. but even though the case may be that the man's religious devotions do wholly affect the overall spread of his work..it is, nevertheless, still entirely possible to disassociate
the actual evidential findings and consider them on their own merits.

drew hempel · (This post was last modified: 09-07-2009 04:07 AM by drew hempel.)

Nik -- when you write "I don't buy it" -- that's what I call MALL SCIENCE -- you're being a passive consumer and consider science to be what has been mass produced. Cremo has "mass produced" anomalies. And yet have you even tried to find out if maybe there are any indepth critiques of his research? Are you not interested in finding out the truth?

Or do you need a Daddy do to it for you? To hold your hand and guide you to the truth?

I'll be your daddy. I'll google it for you and post the links. But next time maybe you can

"learn to learn."

Let's see how Cremo's "mass produced" anomalies hold up to scrutiny.

Just found this which looks like a mother load:

http://www.antiquityofman.com/pseudoscience.html

drew hempel · 09-07-2009, 04:19 AM

Nik -- when you write "I don't buy it" -- that's what I call MALL SCIENCE -- you're being a passive consumer and consider science to be what has been mass produced. Cremo has "mass produced" anomalies. And yet have you even tried to find out if maybe there are any indepth critiques of his research? Are you not interested in finding out the truth?

Or do you need a Daddy do to it for you? To hold your hand and guide you to the truth?

I'll be your daddy. I'll google it for you and post the links. But next time maybe you can

"learn to learn."

Let's see how Cremo's "mass produced" anomalies hold up to scrutiny.

Just found this which looks like a mother load:

http://www.antiquityofman.com/pseudoscience.html

O.K. I just read through this review which is very well detailed:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/lepper.html

Basically the problem here, from my own perspective, is that BOTH the scientists and the "ritual priests" -- the Brahmins -- are wrong -- because they both rely on partriarchal culture, in contrast to the matrifocal culture of complementary opposites, based on the moon calendar.

hilly7 · 09-07-2009, 04:25 AM

Thanks for this nik. I've seen some of his other info and interviews but not this one.

drew hempel · 09-07-2009, 10:27 AM

Cremo's dad was in military intelligence and the Communists claimed Cremo had close ties to the right wing in India -- according to Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo

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Quote:Nik -- when you write "I don't buy it" -- that's what I call MALL SCIENCE -- you're being a passive consumer and consider science to be what has been mass produced. Cremo has "mass produced" anomalies. And yet have you even tried to find out if maybe there are any indepth critiques of his research? Are you not interested in finding out the truth?

Or do you need a Daddy do to it for you? To hold your hand and guide you to the truth?

I'll be your daddy. I'll google it for you and post the links. But next time maybe you can

"learn to learn."

Let's see how Cremo's "mass produced" anomalies hold up to scrutiny.

Just found this which looks like a mother load:

http://www.antiquityofman.com/pseudoscience.html

O.K. I just read through this review which is very well detailed:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/lepper.html

Basically the problem here, from my own perspective, is that BOTH the scientists and the "ritual priests" -- the Brahmins -- are wrong -- because they both rely on partriarchal culture, in contrast to the matrifocal culture of complementary opposites, based on the moon calendar.

I have no doubt the communists in India were right when they claimed Cremo had affiliated with the BJP or whoever.

Why do you think he should be censored from the board?

The calls for a reappraisal of the antiquity of man are not relugated to Cremo..i just posted a video which very clearly doesn't fit into your cosmology.

After I've learnt to learn I'll also then learn to not mangle, obscure and hodgepodge concepts together in a manner that would seem to be like trying to construct a gestalt model of reality with sticky tape.

So then you wish to continue trying to patronise me, mr.matrifocal?:)

drew hempel · 09-07-2009, 09:34 PM

Nik you shocked me with your claim that I think Cremo should be censored!

PLEASE show me where I said there -- PLEASE!!! I would love for you to show me where I said Cremo should be censored.

Can you PLEASE educate me about my own thoughts?

I am dying for you to show me this basic information that I'm assuming is on this thread.... maybe on this website somewhere or maybe somewhere on the internet? Or maybe up the arse of some immortal blue dude in space somewhere? haha.

~~---~~ · 09-08-2009, 05:01 AM

Quote:Nik you shocked me with your claim that I think Cremo should be censored!

PLEASE show me where I said there -- PLEASE!!! I would love for you to show me where I said Cremo should be censored.

Can you PLEASE educate me about my own thoughts?

I am dying for you to show me this basic information that I'm assuming is on this thread.... maybe on this website somewhere or maybe somewhere on the internet? Or maybe up the arse of some immortal blue dude in space somewhere? haha.

haha very funny! :rolleyes: