Why do the Illuminati hate Jews?

[silkworm]

My own hypothesis is that WWII was contrived by the Illuminati to destroy German nationalism and nationalism and racialism in general. (They neglected to tell their Nazi branch about this, of course. This is the secret behind Rudolf Hess' mission and imprisonment. ) The Illuminati also used the war to purge Europe of Jews who weren't allied to them.


You got it, you got it.

By the way, here is the list of Free Masons who became the Presidents of America : George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Paul Revere, Alexander Hamiltson, John Marshall James Madison & Ethan Allen all well-known American patriots and heavily involved with American Revolution. More recently we had twelve other Presidents have been Masons i.e. Andrew Jackson, James K. Pollack, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, T. Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Warren O. Harding, Franking Roosevelt, Harry Truman & Gerald Ford.

People are also very positive about Reagan and George Bush sr. and I believe they are right.

[silkworm]

In 1871, Free Mason named Albert Pike wrote an astonishing 861 page book "Moral and Dogmas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, prepared for the Supreme Council of Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the US" which published its authority writes:

* Behold the object, the end, the ultimate annihilaton of Evil and restoration of man to his first estate by reason.

* "In the beginning was....the word.....the Reason that speaks". "Reason is the absolute, for it is in we must believe".

* "Religion of Reason would be when "human reason leaps into the throne of God and waves her torch over the ruins of Universe."

* Ridiculing Christianity "The teachers, even of Christianity, are in general the msot ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach". "Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us...."Masonry sees in Jesus (a) great teacher of morality".

*...And a belief in God".....self, .....the true ruler of universe. "The conception of an Absolute Diety outside of or independant of Reason is the Idol of Black Magic.

* And finally Mr. Pike states"...the word wil soon come to us for it sovereign (political leaders) and pontiffs (reigious leaders). We shall constitute the equilibrium of the universe, and be the rulers over the masters of the world". "The secret power behind the power".

[byrd]

Quote:Ive really researched the shit out of the illuminati/freemason deal and I got to tell you man,there is none

the illuminati is the bilderberg group
and I wouldnt be surprised if they all inbred with eachother at somepoint

there is no illuminati? where are you conducting your research at?

[Nyte]

Well give me a source of a modern day organization thats named the illuminati.(sorry let me think that,im talking about an illuminati thats controls the world not a weird virgin that has a dumb website)

Theres the biderberg group,whys there a need for an illuminati

Follow the money its not a bunch of strange people its the rothschilds

[mastermg]

My conclusion, illuminati is a small segment of freemasonry, the extremist part that hates israel as a competitor for world dominance.

[silkworm]

There is no Illuminate!!!, What kind of people are living in this world???

Read the Unseen Hand by A Ralph Epperson

[mastermg]

Illuminati is a part of freemasonry, I think they do exist.

[Light Invisible]

I didn't notice this one before and it is a typical case of quoting the old target Morals and Dogma out of context as well as inventing bits so I feel it should be addressed.Unfortunately the quoting goes mental so I've had to break it into two parts:

Quote:In 1871, Free Mason named Albert Pike wrote an astonishing 861 page book "Moral and Dogmas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, prepared for the Supreme Council of Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the US" which published its authority writes:

It was published with so much authority that the same Council felt that it needed the following admonishment at the front of every copy:

PREFACE.
THE following work has been prepared by authority of the Supreme Council of the Thirty-third Degree, for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, by the Grand Commander, and is now published by its direction. It contains the Lectures of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite in that jurisdiction, and is specially intended to be read and studied by the Brethren of that obedience, in connection with the Rituals of the Degrees. It is hoped and expected that each will furnish himself with a copy, and make himself familiar with it; for which purpose, as the cost of the work consists entirely in the printing and binding, it will be furnished at a price as moderate as possible. No individual will receive pecuniary profit from it, except the agents for its sale.

It has been copyrighted, to prevent its republication elsewhere, and the copyright, like those of all the other works prepared for the Supreme Council, has been assigned to Trustees for that Body. Whatever profits may accrue from it will be devoted to purposes of charity.

The Brethren of the Rite in the United States and Canada will be afforded the opportunity to purchase it, nor is it forbidden that other Masons shall; but they will not be solicited to do so.

In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.

Still, perhaps half of it is his own; and, in incorporating here the thoughts and words of others, he has continually changed and added to the language, often intermingling, in the same sentences, his own words with theirs. It not being intended for the world at large, he has felt at liberty to make, from all accessible sources, a Compendium of the Morals and Dogma of the Rite, to re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own, to be dealt with at his pleasure and so availed of as to make the whole most valuable for the purposes intended. He claims, therefore, little of the merit of authorship, and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources, being quite willing that every portion of the book, in turn, may be regarded as borrowed from some old and better writer.

The teachings of these Readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrine, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. Of course, the ancient theosophic and philosophic speculations arc not embodied as part of the doctrines of the Rite; but because it is of interest and profit to know what the Ancient Intellect thought upon these subjects, and because nothing so conclusively proves the radical difference between our human and the animal nature, as the capacity of the human mind to entertain such speculations in regard to Itself and the Deity. But as to these opinions themselves, we may say, in the words of the learned Canonist, Ludovicus Gomez: "Opiniones secundum vanetatem temporum senescant et infermoriantur, aliccque diversce vcl prioribus contraries renascantur et delude pubescant."

Quote:Behold the object, the end, the ultimate annihilaton of Evil and restoration of man to his first estate by reason.

While it is true that these very words appear in M&D, it is helpful to see the rest of them, in M&D, it actually says on page 274:

Quote:Behold the object, the end, the result, of the great speculations and logomachies of antiquity; the ultimate annihilation of evil, and restoration of Man to his first estate, by a Redeemer, a Masayah, a Christos, the incarnate Word, Reason, or Power of Deity.

Quote:"In the beginning was....the word.....the Reason that speaks". "Reason is the absolute, for it is in we must believe".

This is a poorly done amalgamation of different parts of the book:
On page 323 we find:

Quote:In the Beginning was, that is to say, IS, WAS, and WILL BE, the WORD, that is to say, the REASON that Speaks.The Word is the reason of belief, and in it also is the expression of the Faith which makes. Science a living thing. The Word,. Λογος, is the Source of Logic. Jesus is the Word Incarnate. The accord of the Reason with Faith, of Knowledge with Belief, of Authority, with Liberty, has become in modern times the veritable enigma of the Sphinx.

Unfotunately we find the end of your sentence 400 pages away on page 737:

Quote:The ABSOLUTE is the very necessity of BEING, the immutable law of Reason and of Truth. It is THAT WHICH IS. BUT THAT WHICH IS is in some sort before HE WHO IS. God Himself is not without a reason of existence. He does not exist accidentally. He could not not have been. His Existence, then, is necessitated, is necessary. He can exist only in virtue of a Supreme and inevitable REASON. That REASON, then, is THE ABSOLUTE; for it is in IT we must believe, if we would that our faith should have a reasonable and solid basis. It has been said in our times, that God is a Hypothesis; but Absolute Reason is not one: it is essential to Existence.

Quote:"Religion of Reason would be when "human reason leaps into the throne of God and waves her torch over the ruins of Universe."

Once again a large portion of misdrection, the sentence as originally written on page 810:

Quote:It is not one religion only, but the basis of all religions, the Truth that is in all religions, even the religious creed of Masonry, that is in danger. For all religions have owed all of life that they have had, and their very being, to the foundation on which they were reared; the proposition, deemed undeniable and an axiom, that the Providence of God rules directly in all the affairs and changes of material things. The Science of the age has its hands upon the pillars of the Temple, and rocks it to its foundation. As yet its destructive efforts have but torn from the ancient structure the worm-eaten fret-work of superstition, and shaken down some incoherent additions--owl-inhabited turrets of ignorance, and massive props that supported nothing. The structure itself will be overthrown, when, in the vivid language of a living writer, "Human reason leaps into the throne of God and waves her torch over the ruins of the Universe."

[Light Invisible]

Quote:Ridiculing Christianity "The teachers, even of Christianity, are in general the msot ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach". "Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us...."Masonry sees in Jesus (a) great teacher of morality".

Again a bit of misdirection page 105:

Quote:The Teachers, even of Christianity, are, in general, the most ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach. There is no book of which so little is known as the Bible. To most who read it, it is as incomprehensible as the Sohar.

Page 524:

Quote:We do not undervalue the importance of any Truth. We utter no word that can be deemed irreverent by any one of any faith. We do not tell the Moslem that it is only important for him to believe that there is but one God, and wholly unessential whether Mahomet was His prophet. We do not tell the Hebrew that the Messiah whom he expects was born in Bethlehem nearly two thousand years ago; and that he is a heretic because he will not so believe. And as little do we tell the sincere Christian that Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us, or His history but the unreal revival of an older legend. To do either is beyond our jurisdiction. Masonry, of no one age, belongs to all time; of no one religion, it finds its great truths in all. To every Mason, there is a GOD; ONE, Supreme, Infinite in Goodness, Wisdom, Foresight, Justice, and Benevolence; Creator, Disposer, and Preserver of all things. How, or by what intermediates He creates and acts, and in what way He unfolds and manifests Himself, Masonry leaves to creeds and Religions to inquire

page 525 says this, which is what someone has turned into "Masonry sees Jesus as"...

Quote:It reverences all the great reformers. It sees in Moses, the Lawgiver of the Jews, in Confucius and Zoroaster, in Jesus of Nazareth, and in the Arabian Iconoclast, Great Teachers of Morality, and Eminent Reformers, if no more: and allows every brother of the Order to assign to each such higher and even Divine Character as his Creed and Truth require.

Quote:...And a belief in God".....self, .....the true ruler of universe. "The conception of an Absolute Diety outside of or independant of Reason is the Idol of Black Magic.

Actually on page 737 it says this:

Quote:The Absolute, is REASON. Reason IS, by means of Itself. It IS BECAUSE IT IS, and not because we suppose it. IT IS, where nothing exists; but nothing could possibly exist without IT. Reason is Necessity, Law, the Rule of all Liberty, and the direction of every Initiative. If God IS, HE IS by Reason. The conception of an Absolute Deity, outside of, or independent of, Reason, is the IDOL of Black Magic, the PHANTOM of the Dæmon.

Quote:And finally Mr. Pike states"...the word wil soon come to us for it sovereign (political leaders) and pontiffs (reigious leaders). We shall constitute the equilibrium of the universe, and be the rulers over the masters of the world". "The secret power behind the power".

Well actually he was talking about the Templars not Freemasons, which is plain to see if you look at more of the words on page 817:

Quote:"Thus the Order of Knights of the Temple was at its very origin devoted to the cause of opposition to the tiara of Rome and the crowns of Kings, and the Apostolate of Kabalistic Gnosticism was vested in its chiefs. For Saint John himself was the Father of the Gnostics, and the current translation of his polemic against the heretical of his Sect and the pagans who denied that Christ was the Word, is throughout a misrepresentation, or misunderstanding at least, of the whole Spirit of that Evangel.

"The tendencies and tenets of the Order were enveloped in profound mystery, and it externally professed the most perfect orthodoxy. The Chiefs alone knew the aim of the Order: the Subalterns followed them without distrust.

"To acquire influence and wealth, then to intrigue, and at need to fight, to establish the Johannite or Gnostic and Kabalistic dogma, were the object and means proposed to the initiated Brethren. The Papacy and the rival monarchies, they said to them, are sold and bought in these days, become corrupt, and to-morrow, perhaps, will destroy each other. All that will become the heritage of the Temple: the World will soon come to us for its Sovereigns and Pontiffs. We shall constitute the equilibrium of the Universe, and be rulers over the Masters of the World.

"The Templars, like all other Secret Orders and Associations, had two doctrines, one concealed and reserved for the Masters, which was Johannism; the other public, which was the Roman Catholic

So my advice? Try not to lend too much weight to people who steal a few words out of thousands to push an agenda.

Mike

[byrd]

Quote:Well give me a source of a modern day organization thats named the illuminati.(sorry let me think that,im talking about an illuminati thats controls the world not a weird virgin that has a dumb website)

Theres the biderberg group,whys there a need for an illuminati

Follow the money its not a bunch of strange people its the rothschilds

what your saying tho is so flawed it just doesnt make sense.
the Rothschilds created the Illuminati. its not really just some 'secret society'
group that gets together to talk about shit.

Quote:1770: Mayer Amschel Rothschild draws up plans for the creation of the Illuminati and entrusts Ashkenazi Jew, Adam Weishaupt, a Crypto-Jew who was outwardly Roman Catholic, with its organization and development. The Illuminati is to be based upon the teachings of the Talmud, which is in turn, the teachings of Rabbinical Jews. It was to be called the Illuminati as this is a Luciferian term which means, keepers of the light.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild marries Gutle Schnaper.

1773: Amschel Mayer Rothschild born, the first of Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s sons. He like all his brothers who follow him, will enter the family business at the age of 12.

1774: Salomon Mayer Rothschild born.

1776: Adam Weishaupt officially completes his organisation of the Illuminati on May 1 of this year. The purpose of the Illuminati is to divide the goyim (all non-Jews) through political, economic, social, and religious means. The opposing sides were to be armed and incidents were to be provided in order for them to: fight amongst themselves; destroy national governments; destroy religious institutions; and eventually destroy each other.

Weishaupt soon infiltrates the Continental Order of Freemasons with this Illuminati doctrine and establishes lodges of the Grand Orient to be their secret headquarters. This was all under the orders and finance of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and the concept has spread and is followed within Masonic Lodges worldwide to the present day.

Weishaupt also recruits 2,000 paid followers including the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, science, finance,and industry. They were instructed to follow the following methods in order to control people.

1) Use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of men already in high places, in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavour. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and fiscal harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families.

2) The faculties of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in internationalism, or rather the notion that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strife. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminati.

3) All influential people trapped into coming under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. This was so they would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would in the long-run serve the secret plans of the Illuminati one-world conspiracy and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve.

4) To obtain absolute-control of the press, at that time the only mass-communications media which distributed information to the public, so that all news and information could be slanted in order to make the masses believe that a one-world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems.

you are looking at it from a backwards perspective.
any group you may bring up, such as the Bilderbergers, the CFR, etc.,
were all created through the Illuminati.

sure, there's not a group, like the Bilderbergers, called 'The Illuminati',
who get together once a year in full view of the media, and to a point where
you and i would be discussing it on a msg board, which i can point out.
your right there. do you see what im getting at here?