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triplesix · 03-12-2008, 12:57 AM

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Quote: I will say, my 2 experiences with salvia proved to be THE most frightening experience of being "lost" in my life

L0L imagine what its like when you're out there and "something" then tries to start offering you directions.. :o :LOL:

However, what proof is there they aren't just "hallucinations" created solely in my mind? Still far from "proof"

I'm with Trips, if it's that far removed from us, what's the point at this junction?

No no no, you misunderstand me. I'm saying this is the common and incorrect mindset. It is far removed from our physical senses but it is immensely important.

The proof that these hallucinations aren't created solely in the mind is in the medical knowledge of the people of the Amazon. The shamans of the jungle clearly state with no room for interpretation that they learned what they know about medicinal jungle plants from 'ayahuasca.'

There are entities communicating with shamans telling them new information that could not be created from within their own brains.

They ask the shamans, "How did you learn that this particular plant contains antivenom to that particular snake?" A pretty difficult medicine to come up with on the fly. How would they learn that this particular plant helps protect from one particular snake? Trial and error? That's a lot of dead Amazonians to finally get it right. The chances are in the millions. They very matter-of-factly say that it is the spirits of the jungle communicating with them.

I think there are plenty of pieces of information that can be used to put these puzzle pieces together to reveal a greater picture. We live in a time of informational cohesion where the lessons of the Amazonian shamans, kundalini yogis, and taoist martial artists are all available from the same source. I think each of these cultures has cultivated a piece of this elusive puzzle. None of them talks about the exact same thing. DMT/ayahuasca and the spirit world, kundalini tackles emotions and handling anger, resentment, fear etc. to cultivate a mindset of peaceful unconditional love for all, while the taoist martial artists cultivate sensitivity to their body and the energy network intrinsic to it. To me, this points to different cultures all attempting to glean some sort of information from an elusive 'world' outside the five senses.

I have a lot more to learn, both from external and perhaps more importantly internal sources, but I'm only 24. There's plenty of time. I think that another twenty years of psychedelics, kundalini and hatha yoga and internal martial arts will reveal something very important. Let alone another 40 or 60. So for now I'm just trying to learn as much as I can while enjoying the journey.

Peace.

TeslaandLyne · 03-12-2008, 05:02 AM

I know the elites can control the Cosmos and tried to have Tesla assassinated.

That was years ago for Tesla and second and last time that did him in was
perhaps from injections from a Nazi nurse.

Well LA is part of the Cosmos, so is any underground.

stanteau · 03-12-2008, 04:33 PM

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Quote: I will say, my 2 experiences with salvia proved to be THE most frightening experience of being "lost" in my life

L0L imagine what its like when you're out there and "something" then tries to start offering you directions.. :o :LOL:

However, what proof is there they aren't just "hallucinations" created solely in my mind? Still far from "proof"

I'm with Trips, if it's that far removed from us, what's the point at this junction?
No no no, you misunderstand me. I'm saying this is the common and incorrect mindset. It is far removed from our physical senses but it is immensely important.

The proof that these hallucinations aren't created solely in the mind is in the medical knowledge of the people of the Amazon. The shamans of the jungle clearly state with no room for interpretation that they learned what they know about medicinal jungle plants from 'ayahuasca.'

There are entities communicating with shamans telling them new information that could not be created from within their own brains.

They ask the shamans, "How did you learn that this particular plant contains antivenom to that particular snake?" A pretty difficult medicine to come up with on the fly. How would they learn that this particular plant helps protect from one particular snake? Trial and error? That's a lot of dead Amazonians to finally get it right. The chances are in the millions. They very matter-of-factly say that it is the spirits of the jungle communicating with them.

I think there are plenty of pieces of information that can be used to put these puzzle pieces together to reveal a greater picture. We live in a time of informational cohesion where the lessons of the Amazonian shamans, kundalini yogis, and taoist martial artists are all available from the same source. I think each of these cultures has cultivated a piece of this elusive puzzle. None of them talks about the exact same thing. DMT/ayahuasca and the spirit world, kundalini tackles emotions and handling anger, resentment, fear etc. to cultivate a mindset of peaceful unconditional love for all, while the taoist martial artists cultivate sensitivity to their body and the energy network intrinsic to it. To me, this points to different cultures all attempting to glean some sort of information from an elusive 'world' outside the five senses.

I have a lot more to learn, both from external and perhaps more importantly internal sources, but I'm only 24. There's plenty of time. I think that another twenty years of psychedelics, kundalini and hatha yoga and internal martial arts will reveal something very important. Let alone another 40 or 60. So for now I'm just trying to learn as much as I can while enjoying the journey.

Peace.

I'm not here to argue with you or nothin, I just wonder sometimes "OK, now is this all true.... or just dogma we've decided to give credence?" because chakras and such are still just a dogma I can decide to believe in or not to believe in, I used to be GIGANTIC into "cosmic energy" and I still respect the idea of a one-soul but I've fallen off quite a bit from where I was because bottom line there is no proof, it is an a priori assumption that you can only know once your actually dead.

I'm only 21 and I have shittons to learn, on my journey I can't let myself just plop down on what I'll decide is "the answer", life is long, and my decisions have to be based out of my own experiences and gained knowledge, not out of just accepting a foreign dogma because of allegations against more accepted mediums.

My friend asked me if I thought Lamaism is Illuminati set up and controlled as part of the "new age" religion to get us behind the notion of a meaningless existence and therefore destroy the spirit of the living man who now only plods around for death, basically one more "humbling" of the man, I said "probably."

triplesix · 03-12-2008, 10:25 PM

I find it equally important to give things a chance before dismissing them.

If I bounced around from concept to concept with the attitude that "this is probably just bullshit" I'd just be stuck with following the accepted mainstream.

Yogis and taoist martial artists have been historically uninterested in sharing what it is they know. Even Bruce Lee, as Americanized as he was, only passed on Jeet Kune Do to a handful of people before he died. Why would they be so guarded with their own bullshit? Just to give it some credibility? I don't think it is that simple.

Look at the dim mak. Most everyone either believes the dim mak is bullshit or has a completely misguided belief in what it is if they do 'believe in it.' The dim mak is nothing spectacular; it is just the union of acupuncture with martial arts. Strike with the fingers or knuckles into a nerve center hard enough and the shock to the nervous system could cause unconsciousness or death. Hard qigong is mostly nerve deadening and bone remodelling.

These are simple things that most people consider bullshit. There's all sorts of crap going on around the world right now that would be completely unbelievable if you couldn't watch it happening yourself. Check out the series Mind, Body and Kick Ass Moves and you'll see a half hour of shit you won't believe.

Being a martial artist I've spent a fair amount of time learning the scams and realities behind martial arts. From that experience I've come to realize the reality behind qi. If qi exists, it lends credibility to yoga and chakras. After all, all of the chakras are located along important qi meridians and the spinal cord at important nerve bundles.

I don't know, I can't convince you if you don't believe it's real, but I encourage you to experiment yourself if you don't believe. Take a few months of kundalini yoga or tai chi. You probably have some spare time and money you can put towards a class or two a week. If you need personal experience to believe it, then go get it.

I know you study brazilian jiu jitsu, and a lot of people are convinced that BJJ + Muay thai is the ultimate martial arts combination. People think that if true martial artists entered "the octagon" they'd get wiped on the floor. Personally, exercising until you're pure muscle and then practicing simple kickboxing and grappling makes sense for creating a pure destruction machine but I don't think that is what martial arts are about. I will be interested to see what all of these UFC competitors look like when they're 50 or 60. Compare that to tai chi practitioners who are well over 100 years old.

I think martial artists get too caught up in the dick measuring contest and forget the point of martial arts. Sanshou kung fu fighters have traditionally been destroyed in MMA competitions, but is there any doubt that a sanshou master will be able to defend himself out on the street against your typical thug? I don't think so. Sanshou masters have been defending themselves and fighting to the death in China for 2500 years.

Anyway, I'm just blabbering on now but I really can't defend my position without relating the many separate but related reasons as to why it has credibility in my eyes. It is just a combination of experience and, in my opinion, credible authorship and demonstration. I don't think that it's just accepting dogma. Rather I am in the process of testing this dogma and we'll see what I come up with in ten or fifteen years.

To each their own. In any rate I think assuming that everything is evil and NWO disinformation etc. is a little tiring. Nihilistic even. It is the pursuit of truth that motivates me. If Qi or Chakras are real, I will pursue them.

Peace.

stanteau · 03-13-2008, 04:43 PM

I am experimenting (and not in some closed drugged out way), just real new to the block:)but it's all based on first hand experience, ya know? Yeah, you know.

stanteau · 03-21-2008, 02:44 PM

Also, found this.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an.../reptiles27.htm