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A Question for Christians on God
04-11-2008, 02:22 AM
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A Question for Christians on God
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Quote:Hell, is NOT forever.

say what ?:shocked:
Well hello there stranger !!! :-)
Glad to see you around, next time take your shoes off and stay awhile.

YES, that is what I said,
and I believe it - regardless of what the pope and catholic catechisms say.

To me, the scriptures are clear, Jesus came to save us from the 2nd death.
Throughout the whole bible the theme is death for unbelievers. This "forever" torment theology is inconsistent with the word as a whole, and I believe to be a false fear based control mechanism.
Jesus didn't come to control us but to set us free !!!

Death -
"You will return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
-Genesis 3:19

"The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."
-Ecclesiastes 9:5

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."
-Psalm 146:3, 4
ect...


Satan has succeeded in making men believe that the words of God, "The soul that sinneth it shall die," mean that the soul that sinneth it shall not die, but live eternally in misery.

The doctrine of eternal torment has been invented by the devil to turn men away from God. It was then brought to the masses via Plato, Socrates, Tertullian, ect...

If God would do such a thing, he surely could not be called a God of love or justice.



I can only find one line in the book that would lead me to believe forever torment in hell, and read with critical thinking, scripture compared to scripture, it seems clear to me that God only has "forever" plans for Satan, the beast and false prophet - Rev.20:10
The Bible reveals that "everlasting fire, is prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41.


Hell is the temporary dwelling, but the Lake of Fire/2nd death, will destroy Hell, the Universe and all that belong to this current order.
They will be permanently destroyed never to live again in the new order to come (not to be confused with the anti-christ's NWO)


-Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Isaiah 65:17
Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Revelation 21:1-2
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.



PERISH : The Greek word for perish according to the Strongs Concordance, means to destroy fully, die or mar.


2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Romans 2:12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

2 Corinthians 4:3
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

*John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

ect...

DESTRUCTION : The Greek word for 'Destruction' according to the Strongs Concordance, can mean the following: Perdition, waste, to die, destroying, utter destruction of vessels, ruin.


Romans 9 22
What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?

Matthew 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

Philippians 3:19
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
(notice the destruction is everlasting, not the punishment)

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

ect.......



Quote:... having said that i went to a Jehovah's Witness service about a year back but for some strange reason they've not invited me again - nor do they knock on my door any more, perhaps they don't like my tea:confused:
The one thing that I do know about the Jehovah's Witness people - they do not drink tea.
I offered them some once and the reply - "no, we are not allowed to drink it due to the tannic acid."
I was a bit put off by them refusing to drink it for such a reason, I wish they just would of said no, period. For their guide book the bible, says that they can drink the tea I offered if the wanted to. That it is clean and permissible.
It must be a very controlling group.
I Like Tea, - tho i haven't enjoyed this thread like I do a good cup of tea.

Notice the thread started never came back.

Quote:well... it is true she didn't fire any individual gnostic/psychopath bullets, it was more like spraying the crowd
agreed


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and just to throw it in, But not for anyone personally

the original question was for "christians" - those believing in Jesus Christ.

Glad that you guys are finding so much to agree with each other about the concept of God, but if it doesn't center around Jesus and the salvation plan presented through him, then you are not a "christian"


all three of the mono-thestic religions believe in Satan/Dajal/devil.

Satan's plan according to Jesus, - is to deny Jesus.
Satan doesn't care if you believe in God, only Jesus.
The plan is rejection of Jesus.
Satan is the accuser, who accusses men night and day before God, but those accusations are ineffective over those that have been washed clean, through faith.

&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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