A Question for Christians on God

[plasticfan]

Quote:Jesus (peace be upon him) did not teach any religion, just told his people to believe 1 God (SWT) and read the bible (not containing original text anymore since the Romans changed it in order to try converting old Britain who were polytheists) until the next prophet comes. This were the 'Gods son' was put into it, to please the idol worshippes who believes in the relationships God supposedly has.

“O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.” S. 3:55

[mastermg]

Jesus will return to teach against the falsehood that the Christians portrayed him as.

[plasticfan]

Quote:Jesus will return to teach against the falsehood that the Christians portrayed him as.

indeed, and some sects of Islam like the Ahmadiyya that claim that there is no second coming and that Jesus was not taken into heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya#Dis..._Ahmadi_beliefs

[psilocybin]

I'm done with this topic... as I stated before there is no good way to have an argument about this. Everything thrown back my was is unsubstantiated. There isn't even a true dialogue.

[mastermg]

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Quote:Jesus will return to teach against the falsehood that the Christians portrayed him as.

indeed, and some sects of Islam like the Ahmadiyya that claim that there is no second coming and that Jesus was not taken into heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya#Dis..._Ahmadi_beliefs

LOL, Ahmadians arent even muslim, although they claim to be. They do not accept the shahada the way it is (There is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is the messenger). They pray like Christians do, they sit on chairs and listen to sermons. Its a whole other religion of itself.

[jack]

Quote:I'm done with this topic... as I stated before there is no good way to have an argument about this. Everything thrown back my was is unsubstantiated. There isn't even a true dialogue.

gee, I thought it was going rather well for such a topic here at concen.
There hasn't even been any name calling



@ MasterMG

do you consider yourself Sunni or Shi'ite ???
not that it matters just wondering,

Here where I live, the majority of Muslims are Americans of African descent, converts to Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.
I have read some of their news letters and WoW, talk about racism, anger and hatred, they were quite shocking.

Also, I have heard that Muslims of middle eastern descent don't accept these as true Muslims - Do you (or anyone else) know if this is correct ???

[jack]

Quote:There is war/ death [CHILDREN FUCKING DIE SOME EVIL DEATHS] but "He the lord" does nothing, BUT HE LOVES YOU! .... WHAT!

I cannot believe it, I'm a farther and I'd fucking slap the head off anyone that touched my child, Why doesnt he do anything if he is REAL!?

I think that uncaring, selfish, and power hungry choices result into much suffering in the world.
These choices however, are not necessarily made by the ones who suffer because of them.
If God stopped people from making these choices to alleviate our pain, God would also have to take away our freedom to be assholes if we so choose.
God allows us to do as we please here on earth in this life, even if it is starting a war or raping children. Sounds strange I know, but that is our freedom to do as we will.
God however, will destroy those who do such deeds at the judgment and lift up those who unjustly suffered at their hands, in the next life, IMO.

We live here on earth free and uncontrolled by God and religion, it is are own personal choice to believe, follow, or not.

Quote:Would you believe there was a God if nobody wrote the bible?

Good question - I've been thinking about it this morning - here is my answer

I guess if I had never heard of god or the bible, and there were no churches, temples, mosques ect..
I would probably not think there was a god.
I would probably just blindly believe what I was taught. - In today's world that would consist of theories taught by the state, at school and in media.
So I would believe in big bang, primordial soup and evolution. Just a big cosmic coincidence.

However, if the same things happened to me as have happened in my life, things that were completely apart from any form of religion or book, I would know that there were mistakes and flaws in the logical and scientific assumptions and theories that I was taught.

I would know that there is something else out there unseen by us. Something apart from and not fitting into the scientific and logical assumptions and theories. Something that sees hears and interacts with us, usually without our knowledge.


Of course the concept of God has been around a lot longer that any text, biblical or not.
I wonder why those living before texts were written thought there was a God or gods. - Must have been some good reason for it.

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I consider myself muslim, not sunni, shiaa, shafii, hanafi or whatever. Muslims believe that Mohammad is the last prophet of Allah. Ahmediyans believe in another coming of a prophet. Thats wrong because Islam is built on the idea that Mohammad is last prophet.

[EireWarrior]

This type of video proof is why i'm confused if God is real or not and many more. We have so much proof that he is just 'fiction', but only the bible and another few things to say he's real?

If this video can clearly show me that GOD was not real, then why can't i find proof that he is real?

Has anyone seen this video yet? Any comments on it please.

ED: lol God: Real or not - You Decide

Peace Eire

[mothandrust]

Quote:Would you believe there was a God if nobody wrote the bible?

can't really believe anyone would ask such a question. in effect it ignores every religion barring the Sky-Godders. they may exist, but i know of no tribe, group, culture... which does not have belief in higher forces at its foundation. i guess you could perhaps see Western 'Enlightenment' thinking from this perspective, seeing as it has replaced God with science (and money) but that is to ignore its birth, which lies squarely between the bloodied thighs of Roman Christianity.

the problem here is the word God. it is pejorative and obscures true meaning, just as all labels: God, Allah, Yahweh... Christianity, Islam, Buddhism... they are rocks to hide behind, and stones to throw at ignorance: both your own, and that of others.

forget for one moment your fear and remember, words, labels, are no more than squiggles on paper or pixels on a screen. they cannot be God &c. the best they can do is represent God &c. so what does 'God' represent?

the answer is simple, and can be denied by no one: 'God' is Truth, ultimate Truth. what that Truth might be is not for me to say. all i can attempt is to bring my personal Truth closer to the ultimate, through my 'God given' talents and lessons learned along my path, or Dao.

Truth be told i am the most ignorant of all men, i know almost nothing about almost everything. but, what i do know, is that whether it is Shiva (lord of dance and drugs, who spends his time stoned and makes love for 10,000 years at a stretch) or Jesus (or Confucius, Lao Tzu, Buddha...) their message is consistent: TREAT OTHER WITH RESPECT. really, it is so fucking simple. so how come so many people forget?

they become so rapped in their messenger they entirely forget the message! you could die laughing, if it wasn't so fucking tragic, pathetic.

big hugs,

j

[hilly7]

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Having no God, is that really good?

A better question is whether it's bad... and it works great for me. It's the only way the world works correctly in my mind. A conclusion I came to a real long time ago. I'm not empty or devoid of emotions.

Unbelieving is a bullshit word. You aren't right, I'm not right. My position is actually more open, even though I don't believe in a religion or a deity, it doesn't mean I've shut down all roads. I just have given up on the bullshit ones IMO.

And I don't have a god, so please don't lay anymore of that shit on me. You have no way to know you're right, and you are the one making a belief decision. I'm not prescribing to anything offered up yet. It's like if I believed that the local news was telling me the straight line or don't. By blindly accepting things and using faith you alienate logic, which is the best tool humans have.

That's just it my friend, I am not assuming. There is a lot of bullshit in religion these days, but not in God. We all worship something, being self, money, possessions, shills, or gods. The smart ones being honest with themselves know it. I'm not saying you are a bad person if you don't believe, I know many that don't but are good people, and I know plenty that do believe that aren't. It's more than placing just a bumper sticker on the car, or wearing jewelry. I don't accept faith blindly, seeing is believing, not in the figurative sense but literal one. Lucky for me, I get another chance, that's called Grace, I did not deserve it, but glad I got it. There is not a lot you can do wrong that I haven't. Not that I was a bad person, I just wasn't the one to piss off, or girls brought home to meet the parents. Not all of us take faith blindly, some have to be shown, and then logic becomes illogical, and the opposite. But that is your choice. There is no way I damn you for that, I got enough of my own faults to damn.

How can you not be assuming if you believe in something without absolute proof.... answer that.



As for the NWO being written about in the bible... The Holy Roman Catholic Church had a stranglehold on the bible for 600 years... It's a flawed and altered document. It was the mainstay of the most oppressive force to control the planet in the last 2000 years.

I have absolute proof, that my friend is what I am saying, I do not assume on God. Death opens eyes, or what we call death here on earth. While it brings about new questions, it also answers many questions. Most assume, for some of us, it's a bit different.

As for the Roman Catholic Church, I'm not Catholic and I do not know their doctrine. Some that I see does seek to control, some does not. I do not think it is so much the Bible as it is those that teach what they think it means.

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Having no God, is that really good?

A better question is whether it's bad... and it works great for me. It's the only way the world works correctly in my mind. A conclusion I came to a real long time ago. I'm not empty or devoid of emotions.

Unbelieving is a bullshit word. You aren't right, I'm not right. My position is actually more open, even though I don't believe in a religion or a deity, it doesn't mean I've shut down all roads. I just have given up on the bullshit ones IMO.

And I don't have a god, so please don't lay anymore of that shit on me. You have no way to know you're right, and you are the one making a belief decision. I'm not prescribing to anything offered up yet. It's like if I believed that the local news was telling me the straight line or don't. By blindly accepting things and using faith you alienate logic, which is the best tool humans have.

That's just it my friend, I am not assuming. There is a lot of bullshit in religion these days, but not in God. We all worship something, being self, money, possessions, shills, or gods. The smart ones being honest with themselves know it. I'm not saying you are a bad person if you don't believe, I know many that don't but are good people, and I know plenty that do believe that aren't. It's more than placing just a bumper sticker on the car, or wearing jewelry. I don't accept faith blindly, seeing is believing, not in the figurative sense but literal one. Lucky for me, I get another chance, that's called Grace, I did not deserve it, but glad I got it. There is not a lot you can do wrong that I haven't. Not that I was a bad person, I just wasn't the one to piss off, or girls brought home to meet the parents. Not all of us take faith blindly, some have to be shown, and then logic becomes illogical, and the opposite. But that is your choice. There is no way I damn you for that, I got enough of my own faults to damn.

How can you not be assuming if you believe in something without absolute proof.... answer that.



As for the NWO being written about in the bible... The Holy Roman Catholic Church had a stranglehold on the bible for 600 years... It's a flawed and altered document. It was the mainstay of the most oppressive force to control the planet in the last 2000 years.

I have absolute proof, that my friend is what I am saying, I do not assume on God. Death opens eyes, or what we call death here on earth. While it brings about new questions, it also answers many questions. Most assume, for some of us, it's a bit different.

As for the Roman Catholic Church, I'm not Catholic and I do not know their doctrine. Some that I see does seek to control, some does not. I do not think it is so much the Bible as it is those that teach what they think it means.

So you're dead?

[mastermg]

Quote:This type of video proof is why i'm confused if God is real or not and many more. We have so much proof that he is just 'fiction', but only the bible and another few things to say he's real?

If this video can clearly show me that GOD was not real, then why can't i find proof that he is real?

Has anyone seen this video yet? Any comments on it please.

ED: lol God: Real or not - You Decide

Peace Eire

The Books are not the only proof of God's existence. Science proves it aswell.
all about creation
the real truth

"Perhaps the biggest reason that so many theories within the overall theory of evolution collapse is because they contain terrible logic requiring great leaps in faith to believe. Here is one example of a “debunked” theory: “Many evolutionists have tried to argue that humans are 99% similar chemically to apes and blood precipitation tests do indicate that the chimpanzee is people’s closest relative. Yet regarding this we must observe the following: ‘Milk chemistry indicates that the donkey is man’s closest relative.’ ‘Cholesterol level tests indicate that the garter snake is man’s closest relative.’ ‘Tear enzyme chemistry indicates that the chicken is man’s closest relative.’ ‘On the basis of another type of blood chemistry test, the butter bean is man’s closest relative’” (Morris, Henry M., The Twilight of Evolution, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1967)."

[hilly7]

Quote:This type of video proof is why i'm confused if God is real or not and many more. We have so much proof that he is just 'fiction', but only the bible and another few things to say he's real?

If this video can clearly show me that GOD was not real, then why can't i find proof that he is real?

Has anyone seen this video yet? Any comments on it please.

ED: lol God: Real or not - You Decide

Peace Eire

Instead of watching those that assume and have questions, why not watch those that know? Thinking you died, almost dieing is excluded. I do not know these first people, and the ones I do, with the exception of Lou, don't have one that I know of. While you can not access the Experiencers Forum, there are those you can read in text, plenty of NDEs. Why ask the blind to define a color they have not saw, when you could ask those that have seen?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QMosbM32g...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG76xtbCZ10...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ElnQUVkWsQ...feature=related

This is only a few. finally, here is one from a friend I made on the NDE Board, hopefully, Lou will not mine me doing this. Here is a list of where his videos are:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=...AB983BEBCB .

[hilly7]

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Having no God, is that really good?

A better question is whether it's bad... and it works great for me. It's the only way the world works correctly in my mind. A conclusion I came to a real long time ago. I'm not empty or devoid of emotions.

Unbelieving is a bullshit word. You aren't right, I'm not right. My position is actually more open, even though I don't believe in a religion or a deity, it doesn't mean I've shut down all roads. I just have given up on the bullshit ones IMO.

And I don't have a god, so please don't lay anymore of that shit on me. You have no way to know you're right, and you are the one making a belief decision. I'm not prescribing to anything offered up yet. It's like if I believed that the local news was telling me the straight line or don't. By blindly accepting things and using faith you alienate logic, which is the best tool humans have.

That's just it my friend, I am not assuming. There is a lot of bullshit in religion these days, but not in God. We all worship something, being self, money, possessions, shills, or gods. The smart ones being honest with themselves know it. I'm not saying you are a bad person if you don't believe, I know many that don't but are good people, and I know plenty that do believe that aren't. It's more than placing just a bumper sticker on the car, or wearing jewelry. I don't accept faith blindly, seeing is believing, not in the figurative sense but literal one. Lucky for me, I get another chance, that's called Grace, I did not deserve it, but glad I got it. There is not a lot you can do wrong that I haven't. Not that I was a bad person, I just wasn't the one to piss off, or girls brought home to meet the parents. Not all of us take faith blindly, some have to be shown, and then logic becomes illogical, and the opposite. But that is your choice. There is no way I damn you for that, I got enough of my own faults to damn.

How can you not be assuming if you believe in something without absolute proof.... answer that.



As for the NWO being written about in the bible... The Holy Roman Catholic Church had a stranglehold on the bible for 600 years... It's a flawed and altered document. It was the mainstay of the most oppressive force to control the planet in the last 2000 years.

I have absolute proof, that my friend is what I am saying, I do not assume on God. Death opens eyes, or what we call death here on earth. While it brings about new questions, it also answers many questions. Most assume, for some of us, it's a bit different.

As for the Roman Catholic Church, I'm not Catholic and I do not know their doctrine. Some that I see does seek to control, some does not. I do not think it is so much the Bible as it is those that teach what they think it means.

So you're dead?

Not anymore. Not by choice either.