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trueaim · 03-26-2008, 07:46 AM

Horus is an Egyptian representation of King Nimrod. Egyptian Pagan Idolatry originated in Babylon, Zietgeist is a thinly disguised attempt to covert more lost souls through Accadian magic to 'Nature Worship', 'Worship of the dead' in keeping with the resuscitation of pagan idoltry.
It was a natural consequence that when Nimrod was worshipped as a God, his wife Semiramis should be regarded as a Goddess and if he, Osiris reincarnated was identified as the sun, she as Isis, or Rhea, the Mother Goddess, should be identified with the Earth, or alternatively with the moon. Moreover if the sun had become once incarnate as Osiris, so might he become again. Hence for the purpose of overcoming his destroyer Typhon, he needed to be reincarnated as Horus. This combination of the worship of the dead king and queen with that of the Sun and powers of nature gave a human personality to the latter, and in place of an abstract power, or law, being that of the one true God who is unaffected by the necessities of man and the material desires of man, the Pagan Gods were infused with human passions and desires like men, and therefore able to sympathise with them, and willing to aid them with the attainment of their desires.
The objective of ancient Paganism with it human originators the Babylonian Cush his son King Nimrod and his wife Semiramis is identical to the objective of the contempary Pagan Idolatry, it is merely to recomend and introduce the worship of the Sun and Nature. For it is through Sun and Nature worship that men were led to sanctify sin, and finally to worship the dark Prince of Evil himself.

Jesus the saviour sought to expose and alert man to this danger which is alive and well to this day being guided by spirits of evil over the generations.

trueaim · 03-26-2008, 08:19 AM

Jesus was not born on the 25th of December, his birth date is obsure as God intended, his birthday is not to be celebrated. However his death and resurrection are known and observed. Christmas and 25th of December when the sun regains it power at the time of the winter solstice is in keeping with Pagan tradition. It was King Nimrod (Horus) who was born on the 25th December!
Every false pro-zietgeist claim can very easily be proved wrong as usual, its just more deception.Next.

trueaim · 03-26-2008, 08:25 AM

And yes of course Roman Catholicism has been perverted and compromised with Pagan symbolgy and mythology, but what would you expect! There are still pure Christians out there, many like me discovering the truth late in life after a near death experience! Zeitgeist producers are mere children with much to learn!

standvast · (This post was last modified: 03-26-2008 09:22 AM by standvast.)

Zeitgeist wasn't all that.

but Why is it always a Christian trying to "debunk" Zeitgeist ?,
and why in the process, do they not read any books on comparative mythology,
or ask someone who's a little more objective in his assessment,
like say someone who doesn't have a shaky belief in the Bible being the word of God invested ?

No, they'd rather make a half assed non-sourced response on youtube ,
and point at that as being adequate "proof" for the material in Zeitgeist being untrue.

Quote:The objective of ancient Paganism with it human originators the Babylonian Cush his son King Nimrod and his wife Semiramis is identical to the objective of the contempary Pagan Idolatry, it is merely to recomend and introduce the worship of the Sun and Nature. For it is through Sun and Nature worship that men were led to sanctify sin, and finally to worship the dark Prince of Evil himself.

bwahahahaha.

Without a sun and nature to give due respect to,
you wouldn't be alive let alone have a fable to cling to.

The Witness of the Stars
E. W. Bullinger
1893

CHARLES FRANCOIS DUPUIS (1742-1809)
The origin of all religious worship.

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/BkrvEll.htm

standvast · 03-26-2008, 09:53 AM

Quote:I'm not a christian

yeah, i read the thread.
never assumed you where a Christian ,
since you're not the Opening Poster nor a Christian.,. why feel addressed ?

Quote:I linked to a post which has a link to an article which academically contests the mythological comparisons between horus and jesus represented in zeitgeist..written by an atheistic academic..

I would've liked to read it but the link's dead,
there are so many interpretations to the Horus mythology in all its aspects
that whenever making a comparison one has to choose some[one's] interpretation,
same goes for Jesus, so what it comes down to is interpretation/perspective.

peace'

trueaim · 03-26-2008, 04:28 PM

why is it that pro-zietgeisters when confronted with real factual evidence suddenly turn to emotional " its all someone's interpretation"! What I have stated cannot be disproved for it is truth - Horus is an Egyptian interpretation of the Babylonian King Nimrod! I challenge anybody in the world to prove this wrong!

trueaim · (This post was last modified: 03-26-2008 04:45 PM by trueaim.)

Quote:Zeitgeist wasn't all that.

Quote:but Why is it always a Christian trying to "debunk" Zeitgeist ?,
and why in the process, do they not read any books on comparative mythology,
or ask someone who's a little more objective in his assessment,
like say someone who doesn't have a shaky belief in the Bible being the word of God invested

Quote:?
Its not only Christians who can debunk Zeitgeist.
.
I do not source Youtube.

Quote:The objective of ancient Paganism with it human originators the Babylonian Cush his son King Nimrod and his wife Semiramis is identical to the objective of the contempary Pagan Idolatry, it is merely to recomend and introduce the worship of the Sun and Nature. For it is through Sun and Nature worship that men were led to sanctify sin, and finally to worship the dark Prince of Evil himself.

Quote:bwahahahaha
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an emotional response.
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Quote:Without a sun and nature to give due respect to,
you wouldn't be alive let alone have a fable to cling to
The sun didnt create itself, I aknowledge the sun for what it is, but it did not create Mankind or the Earth, your assumption has no basis in reality.
The Witness of the Stars
E. W. Bullinger
1893

CHARLES FRANCOIS DUPUIS (1742-1809)
The origin of all religious worship.

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/BkrvEll.htm

trueaim · 03-26-2008, 04:52 PM

LOL well something like that, still getting the hang of this, but basically your response has no basis and is emotional.

LeveL · (This post was last modified: 03-27-2008 12:20 AM by LeveL.)

Without attacking Christians, tell me this please - why do Christians demand that every single item in Zeitgeist is sourced, or if it is not sourced then they won't believe it and yet these same people do believe in Christianity without question when there is no proof or sources to confirm Jesus ever existed and so on?

Its not a religious question, or knocking Christians, I wanna know why they think like that where on the one hand no evidence is fine (bible) then suddenly in this one movie "Zeitgeist" its all blasphemy and it all needs proving.

Its like walking down the street naked handing flyers out about the dangers of walking naked around the streets.

Fuck all that. Look at how twisted the logic is.

If you cannot see that the story of Jesus is lifted from older stories you gotta be mad.

The woman in the "debunking" of Zeitgeist claims the words "Sun" and "Son" are radically different! What, when there is no difference at all between the spoken word? This isn't a debunking its the usual straw man arguments.

Sorry but the Zeitgeist movie along with many other people who say the son (Jesus) is the sun far outweigh some woman telling me "sun" and "son" are totally different! They sound EXACTLY THE SAME. It is this type of weak argument that makes me laugh all the more at Christians denial of what this movie and many other people have said for decades - Christianity is based on older things, like Paganism, the woman in the YouTube debunking even admits that herself.

I want to know why Jesus has a sun behind his head (the 12 desciples also do as well) hmmm, does the "debunking" mention that? Or are they debunking the easy stuff? Even then its wrong, like sun and son being different in Greek! What has greek got to do with ANYTHING? Jesus wasn't Greek. Jesus was born in Bethlehem which was in Judea, NOT GREECE.

I bet the words sun and son LOOK different written down in Chinese too - oops that means everything in Zeitgeist is lies!

Fuzzy logic there IMO.

I'll stick to Zeitgeist (the only movie to date to have been actually produced and directed by Satan himself) whilst Christians continue to fucking whine about it.

EDIT: This debunking gets worse, she says actually "Attis" wasn't born of a virgin, her mother put an almond in her womb. Oh OK, so next time a woman wants to get pregnant she can put an almond in her womb and this means she is not a virgin anymore? Putting almonds in wombs 1: does not mean a child will be born and 2: does not remove virginity.

The Krishna she says he was resurrected, oh but "not on the third day" so its all wrong then? She dismisses the resurrection of Krishna completely because its not after 3 days!

FOLKS THIS IS FUCKING SHIT!

If you're gonna debunk something then at least DO debunk it.

This is not debunking anything, it is attempting to pull apart (unsuccessfully) all the points that Zeitgeist says are related, this woman, with really no argument or any mention of any sources for anything she says, expects people to just take her seriously. LOL, well do a genuine debunking then and not some straw man bullshit.

So this womans entire argument is based around the fact that because the stories of the other deities are not EXACTLY the same, oh then Zeitgeist is all lies? Use your common sense. The makers of Zeitgeist didn't create all those parallels, they are there in the film because they exist. Some woman saying "oh the resurrection was on the 5th day not the 3rd" haha, OK keep telling yourself that then, keep diliberately pulling the wool over your own eyes and denying the parallels or just flat out saying there are no parralels when there are.

triplesix · 03-27-2008, 12:17 AM

Quote:(the only movie to date to have been actually produced and directed by Satan himself)

ROFLMAO:LOL:

***icosaface*** · 03-27-2008, 12:23 AM

Good rebuttal Level.

shadow watcher · 03-27-2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:(level) Without attacking Christians, tell me this please - why do Christians demand that every single item in Zeitgeist is sourced, or if it is not sourced then they won't believe it and yet these same people do believe in Christianity without question when there is no proof or sources to confirm Jesus ever existed and so on?

Its not a religious question, or knocking Christians, I wanna know why they think like that where on the one hand no evidence is fine (bible) then suddenly in this one movie "Zeitgeist" its all blasphemy and it all needs proving.

welcome to the world of religion! if the movie zeitgeist is making spectacular claims, the burden of proof is on them!

just as it is on us when we are claiming Jesus is the son of God, or that the bible is true.

and if scholars, and atheists as well as Christians are exposing this movie as lies, maybe someone who defends it, should actually research it for themself.

otherwise you are joining the ranks of faith, and turning zeitgeist into religion.

Quote:(level) Its like walking down the street naked handing flyers out about the dangers of walking naked around the streets.

Fuck all that. Look at how twisted the logic is.

If you cannot see that the story of Jesus is lifted from older stories you gotta be mad.

not attacking you or anything, but . . .

speaking of twisted logic, your analogy about us naked (belief in the bible) handing out flyers about naked people (their obvious lies) on the street, then we'd have to believe the bible is false, yet still say we believe in it, this is not the case.

this is a fallacy of weak analogy.

the truth is no matter what i put down about Christianity as evidence, you wont accept it, because it's against your belief. your belief is that Christians are mad and that you have a superior understanding. which is fine, you have your beliefs, and i have mine.

but one thing you cannot claim, is that you are an open minded person, because your contempt for this faith is based off of nothing more than speculation, and belief in your own right.

LeveL · 03-27-2008, 12:31 AM

Its like its a joke debunking, sort of like, you watch it and realise its not meant to be serious except the woman in the debunking expects you to take it all in!

You know what that "debunking" reminds me of?

That joke video that guy did about Vista and OSX...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8

Its similar where he says "not the same" when it IS the fucking same.

Same shit as the woman is doing. Claiming to be pulling apart and exposing something when she isn't.

LeveL · 03-27-2008, 12:39 AM

Quote:the truth is no matter what i put down about Christianity as evidence, you wont accept it, because it's against your belief.

Wrong. The truth is, no matter what you put down about Christianity as evidence I wont accept it because you guys never present any evidence.

Quote:your belief is that Christians are mad and that you have a superior understanding. which is fine, you have your beliefs, and i have mine.

Not really, you might be right and I might be wrong and I will go to hell etc etc... but you see I won't because I don't believe in it. Its not about superior understanding to me its about what is logical.

Theres no logic to an invisible man in the sky watching everything I and everyone else does 24/7. That is what I call a false claim with nothing to support it, simply because there is nothing to support it, am I superior for working that out - that if there is a distinct lack of evidence to the claims of millions of people does not make them all right because they ALL base that faith on something that is not even demonstrable or provable, there isn't even so much as a hint of it being true, if so then please point me to some archaelogical dig or anything, I would love for there to be a god and Jesus etc, I am only lacking the evidence of such a thing existing.

Hey, if something doesn't exist then I don't believe it.

If something does exist, like countless links between Christianity and a whole slew of other ancient and not so ancient stories and characters, then sorry but I must believe it, I am just being a dick with myself otherwise, otr thats how I see it.

I did believe in god as a teenager, if its any consilation? I believed it because I based my belief on pure faith but later realised how utterly distorted and wrong it is to do that.

Quote:but one thing you cannot claim, is that you are an open minded person, because your contempt for this faith is based off of nothing more than speculation, and belief in your own right.

OK.

trueaim · (This post was last modified: 03-27-2008 12:51 AM by trueaim.)

Proof of Jesus:

Many writers, philosophers, historians, goverment officials and so on who lived at the time or just after the death of Jesus testify to his existence!

Cornelius Tacitus - the greatest of the Roman historians.

Lucian of Samostata - Greek writer and Satirist.

Suetonius - Roman historian

Pliny the Younger - Govenor of Asia Minor.

Thallus and Phlegon - ancient historians present at the crucifixtion, testify that sky went black when Jesus
died on the cross.

Mara Bar Serpion - Stoic Philosopher

Josephus - Jewish historian

The four Gospels - Four personal accounts from Jesus's disciples.

If you choose to deny the existence of Jesus you must also deny that any of these men existed or that they lied which is contrary to all evidence and historical accounts! More over there is in fact more evidence for the life , death and resurrection of Jesus than most historical figures; Alexander the Great, Ceasar, Napoleon, etc, all these men would also have to be denied if you deny Jesus!

As well you must also deny the testamenies of all the thousands of Christians who were followers and disciples of Jesus who were tortured to death by Nero between 54AD and 69AD, they refused to deny the existence even while they were being tortured to death, crucified on upside down crosses and fed to lions, because they saw the Christ with their own eyes, they were eyewitnesses!