Climate Change 'Science'
11-03-2009, 10:55 AM
Climate Change 'Science'
I post because I noticed fellow ConCeners has not realized the conclusions and actions were decided long before the scientific studies were performed. Let's put this to rest once and for all.
The legal action taken against the fraud Gore has perpetrated is commendable and I hope they raise awareness because of it. He won't debate on the issue even if his $300,000 appearance fee is paid up front.
I used to believe that CO2 was causing global warming at one point but I didn't get to the point of preaching it (thankfully) until I did my own research in math and checking where the data was originating from. I am now convinced that this is a mutation of the scientific process that is geared to influence policy and is being propagandized through the media and on the back of real environmental issues.
The IPCC Report vs. 30,000 Scientists
Here is a listing of the qualifications of the 30,000+ signatories of the petition:
1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,803 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.
2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.
3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,810 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.
4. Chemistry includes 4,818 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.
5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,964 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.
6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.
7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.
The IPCC report does not include a concise breakdown but credits ~1200 people (I counted) vaguely described as scientists in the Working Group I Report "The Physical Science Basis" for their contributions and not necessarily their agreement with the conclusions. The rest of the numbers were in the following reports ...
If you read this you do not see credentials but you do see affiliations sometimes as vague as Ohio State University, Colorado School of Mines or Heliophysics, Inc. It does not denote their position so many of these could be beaurocrats, administrators are CEOs for all we know without further research. Some are members of special interest and environmental groups and there is no reference to their degrees, work experience or qualifications. It needs to be stressed that these people were also hand picked by a government selection process and they are funded to the tune of $100,000,000 per year by participating governments and the UN dispersed the funding unilaterally to produce these results that the final policy report is used to spin these results. Once again they are contributors of the data not necessarily advocates of the modeled findings, the conclusions, impacts (that's in another dept.) or the world legislation (carbon tax).
The data and results are then interpreted by the following three compartmentalized groups:
Working Group II Report
"Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability"
Working Group III Report
"Mitigation of Climate Change"
The AR4 Synthesis Report
.. or the policy recommendations
All of these reports are published on the IPCC website.
In Canada (and probably every other country and state) the only report they refer to is the policy report (Summary for Policymakers) - 23 pages. The AR4 report is written by 40 authors, it is unknown how many of them participated in the and who they are directed by.
Corrupt Data Samples
To attack one front of the Climate Change agenda: the data used to generate IPCC reports. This data is used to create the report for policy makers and is often the sole document that governments take into consideration when forming climate change policy. It is incomplete and fails to take into account all factors sunspots, the fact man made C02 gets absorbed too, the ocean clouds' contribution to the greenhouse effect, urban warming effect, the fact the entire solar system is warming), The 350+ GT of C02 from other sources compared with the 18 GT/year humans produce (rotting biomass, volcanic activity ..) not to mention the 3,000 GT already in the atmosphere. Makes biased assumptions (aerosols' cooling factor is way overestimated, future C02 release -- consistent with today's output even though we are at peak oil). Graph and model manipulation/presentation (hockey stick graph among many others, 0.6 C scaling). And finally the fact the Global Climate Record data used is not verifiable and being denied public access for audit as I cite a telling state of affairs in the following..
Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit Canada contacted the Climactic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, the prime repository of the data that underlie the “overwhelming scientific consensus” in the Climate Science community. He requested the original raw data (the Global Climate Record) behind their temperature trend conclusions.
He eventually got this response from Roger Pielke, Jr.:
We are not in a position to supply data for a particular country not covered by the example agreements referred to earlier, as we have never had sufficient resources to keep track of the exact source of each individual monthly value. Since the 1980s, we have merged the data we have received into existing series or begun new ones, so it is impossible to say if all stations within a particular country or if all of an individual record should be freely available. Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.
It's really hard to come to a solid conclusion with all of the different data sets out there but I managed to at least partially reconstruct the data independently. I worked with figures from NASA satellite data and ice core samples. Figures from pre-1970s from weather stations are not that reliable unless you filter out those that are in proximity to urban development, so I took my own slice of data of there.
Russian samples were particularly suspect and supported the global warming theory as they recorded the biggest difference in climate change in the past century and were heavily weighted in the IPCC computer models. The reason they are not tangible is because these stations received upgrades in their heating systems over the years and were run, not by scientists, but by exiled citizens of the Soviet regime.
Politics and corporate interest
Carbon taxation will transfer the wealth of European and North American economies to be dispersed to world enforcement agencies according to their own plan. 150 countries will be exempt including India and China where a lot of these multi-national corporations have been shifting their businesses. Companies like Nike and Dell will not suffer from this carbon taxation, in fact they will gain market share with the eradication of their competition in small business and those who chose to operate in Europe and North America.
The US Chamber of Commerce is currently opposing this move to ratify the treaty. The Chamber represents millions of small business interests, big business pulled out because this scheme would benefit their companies competitive edge via the loopholes in offsets, existing relationships with carbon traders and perhaps even the selective enforcement that has historically taken place.
Carbon trading will create another bubble in the stock market for Wall Street (and the Chicago Climate Exchange) to manipulate, artificially inflate and take profits from like the dot com bubble, the mortgage bubble and the rise and fall of the 1929 stock exchange before it. The market has exhausted their supply of real assets to trade, so Wall Street created carbon and so it was done. They are directly on board with Cap and Trade along with their biggest investors.
This doesn't just effect business. Besides the fact that the cost of everything will rise to pay for your carbon sins, it will also allow 'green' police into your homes for unconstitutional inspections, search and seizure.
This will essentially create no opposition and quell any future nation from becoming powerful enough to confront the policy of the impending global governance and the corporate oligarchy. World governance is set to consolidate it's power from the Copenhagen legislation that is set to pass in Mid December.
This plan was fathomed long ago, the conclusion was reached in advance then bought and paid for by biased funding practices. It was put into action by the IPCC and the UN, propagated by the controlled media and the science was corrupted by bad data, rigged computer models and deletion of many source findings to cover their tracks.
Article: UN chief calls for ‘global governance structure’ to oversee greenhouse gasses
The Oil Companies fund these Studies mindset of debunking
Exxon Mobil funds pro-warming research many more times over than their anti-warming investigations. TPTB are clever and they pass out money which they have a lot of to fund opposition science so they can point to it and discredit it later.
"There are 2 ways to fetch a higher price when a product is in demand. Scarcity, either real or precieved. There is certainly a demand for oil and oil by-products." - inheritor
Al Gores Movie Debunked
Here is a good source to help you see the lie, I encourage you to take a look.
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie
Many more references available here:
For those in the green movement that think that climate change is still a problem and won't budge on the issue. Ask yourself if being legislated by world government via the carbon tax is the proper course of action. Also consider real concrete environmental causes to direct your energy to such as industrial pollution regulation, sustainable farming or water management.
Oh and if you want more I got more...
Book Summary: The Real Global Warming Disaster
In a startling new book, Christopher Booker reveals how a handful of scientists, who have pushed flawed theories on global warming for decades, now threaten to take us back to the Dark Ages.
MIT Team Says "Global Warming Part of Earth's Natural Cycle"
The Real Climate Agenda
6 Reasons Global Warming Doesn't Mean the End of the World
Meet the man who has exposed the great climate change con trick
Global sea level virtually flat since 2006
New Peer-Reviewed Study Finds Natural Causes for 20th Century Warming
Cosmic Rays Blamed For Global Warming
Climate Change Timeline - 1895-2009 - Fear = Funding
The Surface Temperature Record - Local Heating Effect
Stick A Fork In It, Global Warming Is Done!
I haven't even mentioned the extent of the media's influence and of course the funding connections. No, I haven't blown my entire load yet I have the done the math, have a more articles and have compiled statistics - but this should be convincing enough for any naysayer.
To end on a positive note:
I've noticed the trend of a lot of people are coming around to wake up to the farce that global warming is lately. It's getting harder for the IPCC to defend and constantly adjust their findings, data and computer models no matter how much money is thrown at it.
Hopefully the greenies will wake up and direct their efforts to toxic pollution, factory farming, genetically engineered foods, life patents, water privatization and the real causes of environmental destruction for human sustainability out there. Maybe they'll even dig a little deeper realize the systems, ideologies governments and corporations (all one in the same) are behind it and meet us on the other side before they get vaccinated, chipped and sterilized.
There are no others, there is only us.
11-04-2009, 10:54 AM
Climate Change 'Science'
I need to follow this up with a rant.
Man Made climate change is complete and utter fallacy and manipulation from top to bottom.
The data omission, the ignorance of factors, science exaggeration interpretation, bureaucratic spin, counterfeit consensus, preconceived conclusions, backpedaling and adjustment of data & conclusions, lack of transparency, corrupt computer data models, destruction and omission of historical records, misrepresentation of researchers, media bias, fear mongering, imbalanced funding and promotion, discretion tactics, indoctrination of our children, hijacking of real environmental issues, bribery on all levels, false impact studies, government leveraging of the peoples wishes and the ridiculous implementation and unilateral centralized solutions by an unelected body with the appearance of unanimous consensus proposed in the face of the people that don't want it and the science and scientists that does not represent what is best for the people.
A video that was made shortly after the 2007 IPCC report by Christopher Monckton summarizes the views of the 'deniers' very concisely. It was so profound and chalk full of evidence that is provoked British Parliament to modify the Al Gore presentation to remove 9 of the 35 lies passed off in the film that was shown to school children. Ironically, two days after the removal of the lies the IPCC and Al Gore were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
The Scientific Reasons why 'Global Warming' is not a Global Crisis
There are no others, there is only us.
11-05-2009, 11:16 AM
Climate Change 'Science'
Hope it may be overturned Gore's buckling in the sheer weight of the science? He's also addressing the skeptics in a soon to be published book not with science, but by blaming people’s own thoughts.
Let's pepper the media with this and not take the 'wait and see' approach before December 13-18th in Copenhagen to let them know that our governments do not represent our interests on the vote and we are not bound by that contract. Then when they come to check your fridge and stove for compliance and clock every mile you drive or try to shut down your business we can stand united in saying we did not agree to the legislation.
Quote:Al Gore Admits CO2 Does Not Cause Majority Of Global Warminghttp://digg.com/politics/Al_Gore_Admits_CO...lobal_Warming_2
There are no others, there is only us.
11-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Climate Change 'Science'
Great posts FastTadpole, thanks for following up on this.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
07-26-2010, 04:46 AM
RE: Climate Change 'Science'
Thought I'd bump this pre-climategate thread since the legislation is not going away it's like it never happened.
Hopefully this institutionally backed names and quotes may wake up a few of the "AGW is a proven fact" stragglers to the reality of the situation.
Here's some good ammo from scientists with long lists of credentials to break through those hold out zombies that still buy the AGW mantra after Climategate, The WWF Greenpeace Expose, The fraud at NASA, The urban heat blanket, The cherry picked data, the trail of money and the relationships between banks, investment firms, government, environmental groups, think tanks, the UN and well position ed corporate industry all coming to light. Even a legal verdict was suppressed with the all of the media and lower court whitewash.
But the drumbeat of "Humans are the Plague of the Earth" still booms as evidenced by the plans revealed in the latest G20 document leak (see the leaked G20 Toronto document specifically). They didn't even look back out of their hummer as they drove over the public outcry and evidence like a zombie Israeli soldier would for a Palestinian kid in the Gaza Strip.
Freeman Dyson, B.A. Mathematics, Cambridge University (1945), Research Fellow, Trinity College, Cambridge University (1946–1947), Commonwealth Fellow, Cornell University, (1947–1948), Commonwealth Fellow, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton University (1948–1949), Teaching Fellow, University of Birmingham (1949–1951), Professor of Physics, Cornell University (1951-1953), Fellow, Royal Society (1952), Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton University (1953-1994), Chairman, Federation of American Scientists (1962-1963), Member, National Academy of Sciences (1964), Danny Heineman Prize, American Physical Society (1965), Lorentz Medal (1966), Hughes Medal (1968), Max Planck Medal (1969), Enrico Fermi Award, United States Department of Energy (1993), Professor Emeritus of Physics, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton University (1994-Present)
Notable: Unification of Quantum Electrodynamics Theory.
"My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models. Of course, they say, I have no degree in meteorology and I am therefore not qualified to speak. But I have studied the climate models and I know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in. The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their own models." - Freeman Dyson
Ivar Giaever, M.E., Norwegian Institute of Technology (1952), Ph.D. Theoretical Physics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (1964), Engineer, Advanced Engineering Program, General Electric Company (1954–1956), Applied Mathematician, Research and Development Center, General Electric Company (1956–1958), Researcher, Research and Development Center, General Electric Company (1958–1988), Guggenheim Fellowship, Biophysics, Cambridge University (1969-1970), Oliver E. Buckley Condensed Matter Prize (1965), Nobel Prize in Physics (1973), Member, American Academy of Arts & Sciences (1974), Member, National Academy of Science (1974), Member, National Academy of Engineering (1975), Adjunct Professor of Physics, University of California, San Diego (1975), Visiting Professor, Salk Institute for Biological Studies (1975), Professor of Physics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (1988-2005), Founder and Chief Technology Officer, Applied BioPhysics (1991-Present), Professor Emeritus of Physics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (2005-Present)
Notable: Noble Prize in Physics.
"I'm a skeptic. ...Global Warming it's become a new religion. You're not supposed to be against Global Warming. You have basically no choice. And I tell you how many scientists support that. But the number of scientists is not important. The only thing that's important is if the scientists are correct; that's the important part." - Ivar Giaever
Robert Laughlin, A.B. Mathematics, University of California, Berkeley (1972), Ph.D. Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1979), Fellow, IBM (1976-1978), Postdoctoral Member, Technical Staff, Bell Laboratories (1979–1981), Research Physicist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (1982–2004), Associate Professor of Physics, Stanford University (1985–1989), E.O. Lawrence Award for Physics (1985), Oliver E. Buckley Condensed Matter Prize (1986), Eastman Kodak Lecturer, University of Rochester (1989), Professor of Physics, Stanford University (1989–1993), Fellow, American Academy of Arts & Sciences (1990), Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Professor of Physics, Stanford University (1992–Present), Professor of Applied Physics, Stanford University (1993-2007), Member, National Academy of Sciences (1994), Nobel Prize in Physics (1998), Board Member, Science Foundation Ireland (2002-2003), President, Asia-Pacific Center for Theoretical Physics (2004-2006), President, Korean Advanced Institute for Science and Technology (2004–2006)
Notable: Noble Prize in Physics.
"The geologic record suggests that climate ought not to concern us too much when we’re gazing into the energy future, not because it’s unimportant, but because it’s beyond our power to control." - Robert Laughlin
Edward Teller, B.S. Chemical Engineering, University of Karlsruhe (1928), Ph.D. Physics, University of Leipzig (1930), Research Associate, University of Leipzig (1929–1931), Research Associate, University of Göttingen (1931–1933), Rockefeller Fellow, Institute for Theoretical Physics, Copenhagen (1933–1934), Lecturer, London City College (1934), Professor of Physics, George Washington University (1935-1941), Researcher, Manhattan Project, Chicago Metallurgical Laboratory (1942-1943), Group Leader, Manhattan Project, Los Alamos National Laboratory (1943-1946), Professor of Physics, University of Chicago (1946-1952), Member, National Academy of Sciences (1948), Assistant Director, Los Alamos National Laboratory (1949-1952), Developer, Hydrogen Bomb (1951), Founder, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (1952), Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1953-1975), Associate Director, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (1954–1958), Harrison Medal (1955), Albert Einstein Award (1958), Director, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (1958-1960), Professor, Hoover Institution on War Revolution and Peace, Stanford University (1960–1975), Enrico Fermi Award, United States Atomic Energy Commission (1962), Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution (1975-2003), Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1975–2003), National Medal of Science (1982), Presidential Medal of Freedom (2003), (Died: September 9, 2003)
Notable: Manhattan Project Member, Developer of the Hydrogen Bomb and Founder of Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
"Society's emissions of carbon dioxide may or may not turn out to have something significant to do with global warming--the jury is still out." - Edward Teller
Frederick Seitz, A.B. Mathematics, Stanford University (1932), Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University (1934), Proctor Fellow, Princeton University (1934–1935), Instructor in Physics, University of Rochester (1935–1936), Assistant Professor of Physics, University of Rochester (1936–1937), Research Physicist, General Electric Company (1937–1939), Assistant Professor of Physics, University of Pennsylvania (1939–1941), Associate Professor of Physics, University of Pennsylvania (1941-1942), Professor of Physics, Carnegie Institute of Technology (1942-1949), Research Professor of Physics, University of Illinois (1949-1965), Chairman, American Institute of Physics (1954-1960), President Emeritus, American Physical Society (1961), President Emeritus, National Academy of Sciences (1962-1969), Graduate College Dean, University of Illinois (1964-1965), President Emeritus, Rockefeller University (1968-1978), Franklin Medal (1965), American Institute of Physics Compton Medal (1970), National Medal of Science (1973), (Died: March 2, 2008)
Notable: Pioneer in the field of solid-state physics and President Emeritus of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful." - Frederick Seitz
Robert Jastrow, A.B. Physics, Columbia University (1944), A.M. Physics, Columbia University (1945), Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University (1948), Adjunct Professor of Geophysics, Columbia University (1944–1982), Postdoctoral Fellow, Leiden University, Netherlands (1948-1949), Scholar, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton University (1949-1950, 1953), Assistant Professor of Physics, Yale (1953-1954), Chief, NASA Theoretical Division (1958-61), Founding Director, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (1961-1981), NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement (1968), Professor of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth College (1981-1992), Chairman, Mount Wilson Institute (1992–2003), (Died: February 8, 2008)
Notable: Founding Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and hosted more than 100 CBS-TV network programs on space science.
"The scientific facts indicate that all the temperature changes observed in the last 100 years were largely natural changes and were not caused by carbon dioxide produced in human activities." - Robert Jastrow
William Nierenberg, B.S. Physics, City College of New York (1939), M.A. Physics, Columbia University (1942), Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University (1947), Researcher, Manhattan Project, Columbia SAM Laboratories (1942-1945), Instructor in Physics, Columbia University (1946–1948), Assistant Professor of Physics, University of Michigan (1948–1950), Associate Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1950-1953), Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1954–1965), Assistant Secretary General for Scientific Affairs, NATO (1960-1962), Director Emeritus, Scripps Institution of Oceanography (1965-1986), Member, White House Task Force on Oceanography (1969-1970), Member, National Academy of Sciences (1971), Chairman, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere (1971-1975), Member, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere (1971–1978), Member, National Science Board (1972–1978, 1982–1988), Chairman, Advisory Council, NASA (1978-1982), Member, Space Panel, Naval Studies Board, National Research Council (1978–1984), Member, Council of the National Academy of Sciences (1979-1982), Chairman, Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee, National Academy of Sciences (1980–1983), NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal (1982), (Died: September 10, 2000)
Notable: Manhattan Project Member and Director Emeritus of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.
"The available data on climate change, however, do not support these predictions, nor do they support the idea that human activity has caused, or will cause, a dangerous increase in global temperatures. ...These facts indicate that theoretical estimates of the greenhouse problem have greatly exaggerated its seriousness." - William Nierenberg
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