Very abstract questions by me

[mastermg]

Before I go to sleep, my mind wanders off and I think of some weird questions. I came up with these few questions and maybe someone knows how to answer these. My first question is: What is time? Isn't it a man-made measurement between intervals? Agreeing that it is, then what keeps time moving in a forward direction? Also what controls time?:confused: I was thinking it probably depends on the movement of the Earth around the sun, which already define day and night-time. But then, what does the movement of the Earth's time depend on? If time didn't exist, the Earth wouldn't have been revolving around the sun. I think it all comes down to the expanding of the universe. We see time moving evenly and prefect, however, I believe we can't tell as when the universe expands faster, time moves faster but the human intervals remain the same so we cant tell if time is changing.:err:

Ok thats all I have for now. I found an article that has to do with this a bit and it claims that some physicists believe the same. Therefore, if this is true, the article states that although we can calculate how fast the universe is expanding, we don't know if it really is expanding that fast since we are calculating the expansion via time. It also states that everything that is how it is now only depends on time and gravity. Therefore, if the universe starts shrinking back into the Big Crunch, gravity and time should also reverse.

"Even the most advanced civilization in the universe would always observe that the universe is expanding at the same steady rate with which it started. Paradoxically the far-reaches of space may even seem to expand faster when measurements are made with our local slowing time. The nature of time is such that slowing of time also cannot be perceived."

"One aspect of gravity is minute differences in time at different heights. Time passes at a slightly faster rate at the top of a mountain, as compared to the sea level. This difference in time, although imperceptible to us, is enough to make things fall to earth, and can be measured with the aid of atomic clocks. If time reverses in the contracting phase of the universe, then this time difference will also reverse. This will cause gravity to reverse so that everything will fall upwards, producing an earthquake of a magnitude never seen before. The earth along with the mountains will be suddenly lifted up from under our feet and subsequently come crashing down" (http://www.missionislam.com/science/physics.htm).

[mastermg]

Oh crap I dont think I made sense at all.

Oh ya, I came up with another question.
"Mathematically there are an infinite number of dimensions. However we only live in a three dimensional space. Every object in our daily lives has a length, width, and height. The concept that there are more than three dimensions is impossible to imagine. However, higher dimensions do exist as intense gravity near the sun causes the space to curve in an extra higher dimension. Einstein considered this for the first time and was able to accurately calculate the orbit of the inner planet Mercury. Einstein's theory of general relativity is based on the concept of higher dimensions."

"We may gain some insight into the concept of higher dimensions by studying the problems faced by people in the past. There was a time when people believed that the earth is flat. They were afraid of the possibility of falling off the earth if they traveled too far. This cannot happen because the surface of the earth is curved and continuous like that of a sphere. To get off the earth we just need to move in a dimension (direction) that is perpendicular to the surface. That is straight up, from anywhere we are. We face a similar conceptual problem in understanding the higher dimensions. We may imagine that we can leave the universe only by travelling very far, but that is also not true. Even if we traveled billions of miles, we will remain within the confines of our three dimensional space."

So the intense gravity curving around a sphere causes higher dimensions to form, but we cannot see it do to our three dimensional. Could this be true?

[blove8.]

Hey MG, check this out:

The Holographic Brain - Karl Pribram
http://theinduction.net/?q=node/294

[mastermg]

Im downloading it to my mp3 player, will listen to it tonight. Thanks.

[blove8.]

I did the same thing with my MP3 player today while I rode my bike. The interview encompasses quite a wide array of information and does touch on the question of 'time' briefly, as it relates to holograms and the brain and physics and general science. When I saw your questions they reminded me of it, I thought that you would probably enjoy the interview. You might find it dry right off, but give it some time.

[Cycle of Eternity]

i didn't read your posts in their entirety, but i too think that gravity creates what we call time. but, in a deeper sense, i don't think time even exists, or at least what we think of it.

as for dimensions, i too think that infinite dimensions exist. but, again, i don't think we have the current brain power to fully fathom these kinds of things to the extent to what they really are.

i'll also say this, scientific left-brain think won't answer these questions. also, one day, our so-called greatest scientists will find out that the answer to the universe isn't 'out there', but is in us.

to think that consciousness and matter are two separate things is ludicrous imo. our brain is a very complex 'machine' and interacts with 'reality' in this dimension and decodes it as it is - our DNA too and in all life really, that is in us. unfortunately, our alien creators blocked off access to a lot of our brain and DNA. i feel that we are in control of what we call reality - down to the physical level even. we are what people would call gods, we've just yet to fully unlock our conscience's doors.

those are the kind of things I think about a lot too. i know what you mean, since i can remember as a kid, before i went to sleep, i would ponder many many things. even though the world was telling me otherwise as a kid, i've grown to realize i was dead-on on everything i would think about. you just gotta use your natural born common sense - very, very powerful stuff. so-called 'facts', documents and the rest of the shit isn't necessary - not at all.

[shZ]

Quote:to think that consciousness and matter are two separate things is ludicrous imo.

:eyebrow:I've never been able to have a conversation with a rock, don't know about you. I guess it's possible if one's tripping on acid or DMT.

[Cycle of Eternity]

Quote:

Quote:to think that consciousness and matter are two separate things is ludicrous imo.

:eyebrow:I've never been able to have a conversation with a rock, don't know about you. I guess it's possible if one's tripping on acid or DMT.

Of course you can't have a convorsation with a rock. You're misinterpreting what cousciousness is. All matter, including all forms of rock, is energy. Do you think it's there just to be there? It's all energy, and in it's own way, is very much alive with the rest of the universe. The rock can be split into two, so that doesn't mean the one rock is now two individuals, it's all apart of something bigger... say... the planet? You don't think the planet is a form of consciousness itself, just like the atoms, molecules and everything else that works together to shape, form and keep your body alive? There's a bigger picture here my friend.

Yes, maybe during an Ayahuasca trip one might be able to connect with plant life, most likely. We should be able to naturally the way I see it, that is without the substances, but, like I said, our alien creators have blocked off access to that higher level of consciousness through manipulation of DNA mostly. Even then, and now, they need to keep us dumbed-down so we don't wake up to it. We are very powerful peoples, and we can break free of the chains and blocks they have put up through emotional, mental and spiritual evolution of our selves as individuals - all of which has effects on the universe around us, that we are apart and not separate of, even in our dumbed-down state. It's with the right-brain think that will help us get there, becuase it sees no boundaries or limitations. They keep attacking it through stimulation and entertainment, like music, movies, art ect. instead of using it to connect with our higher consciousness - just one way to keep us dumned-down. Medication is another way. Do you think any of that medicine actually fixes anything? No way, it just numbs and blocks off the 'pain' or whatever to your brain, hence your brain now thinks it's no longer there - but it is - you're just not reacting to it (that's why you need to keep taking the medication when it wears out). And you can bet they put all sorts of other stuff, not only in vaccines such as a regular flu shot, but also simple things like vitamins and such.

I'm telling you, the real war isn't with laws, politics and such - those are just mere illusions from the schitzoid mind-set we are in - it's with our consciousness of who we really are.

[markko]

Quote:What is time?

A concept made by us humans to describe movement. Time itself does not exist. The Newtonian physics describe time as linear, but that's not the case. Relativity theory raises some question on time (1 second does not last same amount of time on earth than it does on rocket with speed - the famous twin brothers effect or paradox) and quantum physics makes things even worse. By quantum physics, a single particle can be at multiple places in single point in time and in multiple places in time also. Crazy stuff and nobody really knows what it's about. There IS NOONE on our planet at the moment, who understand what the mechanism behind quantum physics is and how is it possible for a particle to be at ALL possible places at the same time.

Quote:but i too think that gravity creates what we call time

No it does not. Again, check the twin brothers paradox. One's time who travels really fast will go slower and will age slower, no matter if he is influenced by gravity or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox
This thing was VERIFIED in labs. Fast moving objects travel thru static time much slower than we do. A kind of one-way time machine, which speeds up to the future.

Again, suppose if all the parts of our Sun system would start to move much slower at the same time (and gravity changed), our day could last for example what was known before as 18 hours or less, but we wouldn't know it, since we measure time by earth movement. Our clocks would go around in less time than before, but would still go around complete circle. Noone would notice the change in time since it cannot be measured. We really don't know how to measure objective time, nor what objective time is. In fact, this very day can be faster or longer than yesterday, yet we cannot know that by any means.

Time is a man made concept, an illusion, which does not exist in reality. We probably live in a multidimensional space, but time is not one of the components in it. Objective time might be, but we really don't know what that is or how to measure it.

[Cycle of Eternity]

"VERIFIED in labs" doesn't mean anything to me.

but you misunderstood what i was saying or didn't read my whole post.

[markko]

Quote:"VERIFIED in labs" doesn't mean anything to me.

Yeah, you rather trust guys like Tsarion on scientific facts right?:)heh
Science is too materialistic because it a priori rejects everything spiritual and as such maybe wrong. But the stuff they discovered so far is pretty acurate. The experiments and explanations are there for everyone to try for themselves after all.

[Cycle of Eternity]

modern science has divided itself, modern spirituality (or religion if you like) has divided itself, on purpose of course, because the powers want it that way, but the modern person needs to realize that there is not a division there.

whenever 'scientists' say they 'figured this out' or 'know this to be true', is all a bunch of bullshit... because there will always be more to it... regardless of what experiments or whatever they have done. they want to think they understand it all and everything there is to it, but they don't. to think, at the stage we are at, that we can answer anything about anything and be definitively correct is absurd.

if science has proven anything, it's how amazingly ignorant we are, about ourselves and the universe around us.

[markko]

Quote:whenever 'scientists' say they 'figured this out' or 'know this to be true', is all a bunch of bullshit... because there will always be more to it... regardless of what experiments or whatever they have done. they want to think they understand it all and everything there is to it, but they don't. to think, at the stage we are at, that we can answer anything about anything and be definitively correct is absurd.

Scientists mostly don't talk about stuff they have not yet discovered but might exist. More, they completely ignore it. What I was saying is most of the suff science knows now is correct. Even if this is 1% of everything there is to discover, it mostly IS correct. That's why you can use your computer now. To dismiss science as idiocy and completey wrong is absurd. They might be looking at one tree and not seeing the forest, but to say they don't see the tree is really not smart.

On the other hand, to accuse them of being ignorant and close minded is completely justified.

[mastermg]

I agree with Intellect that gravity and time are somehow correlated. Outside our universe, which doesn't exist, there is no time. Yet inside the universe, there is time. And whats keeping the universe from expanding at a faster rate? It all has to do with gravity or another force of nature that humans cannot perceive or has not discovered yet.

[Guest]

Quote:I agree with Intellect that gravity and time are somehow correlated.

I wouldn't go mentioning that around any cougars you wish to bed... :laugh: