Understanding Islam

[humbug]

more off topic preaching, although the trickster lord of the bible is one hell of a merciless bully.

islam is just another spin-off to divide and con. like christianity and all the rest, cunning psyops to counterattack those who believe to be more special than special and carry strange beliefs that due to their devout fundamentalism they will be raptured, go to heaven, wake-up in a harem or even pass go.

[shZ]

Quote:more off topic preaching, although the trickster lord of the bible is one hell of a merciless bully.

islam is just another spin-off to divide and con. like christianity and all the rest, cunning psyops to counterattack those who believe to be more special than special and carry strange beliefs that due to their devout fundamentalism they will be raptured, go to heaven, wake-up in a harem or even pass go.

Actually, according to Islamic tradition, Muslims are the most degenerate dwellers in the lowest circles of hell...

[trueaim]

The Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" taken in biblical context means killing that cannot be justified by God; premeditated, unjustified killing, to kill without reason - murder. Although God ordered the extermination of entire cities, or drowned just about every living soul on the planet, He did so in righteous judgement on living being who deserved it, those that through wickedness had reached a stage where they could not be redeemed - extreme corruption. The charge that God indiscrimately murdered people does not hold to critical evaluation of the biblical texts.

But what about the Children? Were they not innocent?

KJV Commandment 4 : Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth below, or that is in the water under the Earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy GOD am a jealous GOD, punishing children for the iniquity of the parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of thos who love me and keep my commandments.

So as you can see God does not spare the children of the wicked, the children up to the fourth generation must pay for the sins of their forefathers, the cost is truly tragic for those that reject God. But he is also merciful and will forgive and help those who love and obey Him.

[Melchor]

Fascinating stuff Trueaim (:yawn:) but totally off topic. So I'm curious about the Djinn. Are
they supposed to be akin to angels/demons or are they human-like? Do they have some sort
of purpose it just for fun?

Also I was curious how the whole prophesy angle plays out since undoubtedly TPTB will be following
that script in addition to the others to suck in as many people as possible (provided they don't just
go underground and bioplague the entire human race.)

[markko]

Quote:So as you can see God does not spare the children of the wicked, the children up to the fourth generation must pay for the sins of their forefathers, the cost is truly tragic for those that reject God. But he is also merciful and will forgive and help those who love and obey Him.

Sounds like a loving and just God to me. To punish someone for something he didn't do... Fourth generation. Yeah, thats logical. Makes perfect sense eh?

:yuck::dazed:LOL? Should I laugh? Cry? Say WTF?:dazed::zipit:

How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that's the will of the loving and just god? Divinely inspired text? This is a god I don't want to have anything with. And if hell is a place without such a sadistic and evil entity, I'll gladly go there. Your "God in flash" told you to forgive infinite number of times, yet he can't forgive an innocent child? How can this god expect us to forgive if he is a sadistic unforgiving freak like that?
Anyways, it's a topic on Islam. Go preach in some other topic.

[mastermg]

Quote:Fascinating stuff Trueaim (:yawn:) but totally off topic. So I'm curious about the Djinn. Are
they supposed to be akin to angels/demons or are they human-like? Do they have some sort
of purpose it just for fun?

Also I was curious how the whole prophesy angle plays out since undoubtedly TPTB will be following
that script in addition to the others to suck in as many people as possible (provided they don't just
go underground and bioplague the entire human race.)

Lol everyone is curious about the Jinns. Theres different kinds of jinns, they live on this Earth. Some are Muslim, some Christian, some Atheist, just like humans. Theres so much on them I cant write it all:quiet:

[hilly7]

I have a few questions. You said when "Assalamu alaikum" or equal or better greeting, as two Muslims meet, must it be spoken in that language or will any language do? If that one language, how is it pronounced? Would it be offensive for me as a Christian to say this to a Muslim? If so, what would be the correct respectful greeting?

[shZ]

Quote:I have a few questions. You said when "Assalamu alaikum" or equal or better greeting, as two Muslims meet, must it be spoken in that language or will any language do? If that one language, how is it pronounced? Would it be offensive for me as a Christian to say this to a Muslim? If so, what would be the correct respectful greeting?

I personally don't think language matters... but assalam alaikum (to which the response is genrally walaikum salaam) is pretty easy to remember... and they'd have to be jack asses to get offended in my opinon.

[hilly7]

Thanks. I will try and google a video that sounds the word.

[mastermg]

Its pronounced like this: As-salamu 3laykum where the "3" is not quite an "a" but can be replaced with the a for the non-arabic speakers. A Muslim should not get offended if a Christian says that to him, in fact, he should feel better for himself. You can say "peace be upon you" instead of Assalamu 'Alaikum, but no one usually says that and even the non-arabic speakers atleast know how to say Assalamu 'Alaikum.

[hilly7]

Thank You. I will remember and practice that.

[shZ]

Quote:Fascinating stuff Trueaim (:yawn:) but totally off topic. So I'm curious about the Djinn. Are
they supposed to be akin to angels/demons or are they human-like? Do they have some sort
of purpose it just for fun?

Also I was curious how the whole prophesy angle plays out since undoubtedly TPTB will be following
that script in addition to the others to suck in as many people as possible (provided they don't just
go underground and bioplague the entire human race.)

Well, I haven't really done that much research in the whole Djinn topic. They're akin to what the bible refers to as demons. Except in the bible demons are all evil. Such is not the case in Islam, as Djinns are being made of "fire" whereas human are made of "clay." Like human, Djinns can be saints or down right sinister. Djinns play a major role in "real magic" as all "real magic" is essentially making a contract with a Djinn for servetude and "forbidden knowledge." According to Islamic theology, the babylolins were essentially the key civilzation who used forbidden knowledge and black magic to build their civilization and culture. If I recall correctly, it was two angels (or was it one?), who were sent down as test to humanity. They warned humans that they were simply a test and it wasn't in mankind's or their personal interset to learn forbiden knowledge... but they did anyways. My knowledge in this area is sketchy at best, and very vague. So I can't say much more than that. These are all the Quranic verses regarding Jinns btw:

I'll be using Yusuf Ali's translations for sake of conveniece:


6:100
Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!
6:101
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
6:102
That is Allah, your Lord! there is no god but He, the Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs.
6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.


6:112 Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.

6:128
One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
6:129
Thus do we make the wrong-doers turn to each other, because of what they earn.
6:130
"O ye assembly of Jinns and men! came there not unto you messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith.
6:131
(The messengers were sent) thus, for thy Lord would not destroy for their wrong-doing men's habitations whilst their occupants were unwarned.
6:132
To all are degrees (or ranks) according to their deeds: for thy Lord is not unmindful of anything that they do.
6:133
Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people.

7:178
Whom Allah doth guide,- he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance,- such are the persons who perish.
7:179
Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).

11:117
Nor would thy Lord be the One to destroy communities for a single wrong-doing, if its members were likely to mend.
11:118
If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute.
11:119
Except those on whom thy Lord hath bestowed His Mercy: and for this did He create them: and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled: "I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together."

15:25
Assuredly it is thy Lord Who will gather them together: for He is perfect in Wisdom and Knowledge.
15:26
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:27
And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
15:28
Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
15:29
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
15:30
So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
15:31
Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.
15:32
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves?"
15:33
(Iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
15:34
(Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.
15:35
"And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment."
15:36
(Iblis) said: "O my Lord! give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."
15:37
(Allah) said: "Respite is granted thee
15:38
"Till the Day of the Time appointed."
15:39
(Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-
15:40
"Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
15:41
(Allah) said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me.
15:42
"For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee."
15:43
And verily, Hell is the promised abode for them all!
15:44
To it are seven gates: for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned.
15:45
The righteous (will be) amid gardens and fountains (of clear-flowing water).
15:46
(Their greeting will be): "Enter ye here in peace and security."
15:47
And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity).
15:48
There no sense of fatigue shall touch them, nor shall they (ever) be asked to leave.
15:49
Tell My servants that I am indeed the Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;

17:88 Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

18:50 Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

27:17 And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts,- of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks.

32:13 If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."

34:12 And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
34:13
They worked for him as he desired, (making) arches, images, basons as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places): "Work ye, sons of David, with thanks! but few of My servants are grateful!"
34:14
Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff: so when he fell down, the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task).
34:15
There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him: a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving!

37:158 And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the Jinns: but the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)!

41:25 And We have destined for them intimate companions (of like nature), who made alluring to them what was before them and behind them; and the sentence among the previous generations of Jinns and men, who have passed away, is proved against them; for they are utterly lost.

46:18 Such are they against whom is proved the sentence among the previous generations of Jinns and men, that have passed away; for they will be (utterly) lost.

46:29 Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns (quietly) listening to the Qur'an: when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!" When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins).

55:15 And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:

55:33 O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!

55:39 On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.

55:56 In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-

72:1
Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
72:2
'It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord.
72:3
'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
72:4
'There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah;
72:5
'But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that untrue against Allah.
72:6
'True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly.
72:7
'And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment).
72:8
'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
72:9
'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
72:10
'And we understand not whether ill is intended to those on earth, or whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct.
72:11
'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.
72:12
'But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, nor can we frustrate Him by flight.
72:13
'And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.
72:14
'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct:
72:15
'But those who swerve,- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire'-

114:1
Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,
114:2
The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,
114:3
The god (or judge) of Mankind,-
114:4
From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),-
114:4
(The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-
114:6
Among Jinns and among men.

Phew! That was a lot of formatting, copying, and pasteing:drunk:.

[mastermg]

Nice find.
I want to add that there are 3 kinds of Jinns, ones that constantly travel like nomads, ones that fly and spy on the heavens to tell fortunetellers the future, and ones that accompany humans and whisper in their hearts worldly desires.
The Quran was sent down to both man and jinn.
They are made of a smokeless flame. (electricity?)
Some can take tangible forms such as a black snake, cat, or dog.
A few can even shapeshift in front of your face. (explains the reptilian David Icke stuff?)
They tend to live in dirty or isolated areas. ('Aliens' abducting farmers in rural countryside?)

Thats all I can remember for now.

[shZ]

Quote:They tend to live in dirty or isolated areas. ('Aliens' abducting farmers in rural countryside?)

"I feel like a UFO. Cos just like UFOs I too am appearing in obscure southern towns in front of handfulls of hillbillies." -Bill Hicks

:tongue:

[lovelyk]

for those interested in Jinn, Possession etc.

http://islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html

<span style="color:#FFCC00">Exorcism
=============

Possession by evil spirits (Jinn) or the Devil (Shaitan) and exorcism is part of Islamic beliefs since its beginning.

According to Islamic scholars, "The Jinni enters the one seized by fits and causes him to speak incomprehensible words, unknown to himself; if the one seized by fits is struck a blow sufficient to kill a camel, he does not feel it." (Shaikh al-Islam ibn Taymiyyah, Majmoo al-Fatawa.)

<span style="color:#33CC00">Islamic clergy caution against the overuse of exorcism, citing that most cases are due to psychological and physical causes mistaken for possession. Real cases of possession are rare and the faithful are warned to watch out for exorcists who encourage a diagnosis of possession too quickly, as they may merely be seeking profit.


<span style="color:#FFCC00">Exorcism video clips
====================

A sorcerer appointed a Jinn to cause illness to this man before he got married. After puking the magic spell and exorcising the Jinn out, the man was cured.

http://islam-universe.com/audio/wmv/Exorcism.wmv


This man was possessed by a female Jinn lover, causing him to be paralyzed. He spent two weeks in the hospital with no use; doctors weren’t able to find anything wrong with his legs, his family took him afterwards to a Sheikh and after exorcising the Jinn out he was able to walk again with some difficulty at the beginning since he didn't walk for long time.

http://islam-universe.com/audio/wmv/Exorcism2.wmv


<span style="color:#FFCC00">Am I possessed?

There are simple ways to know that, but remember don't be paranoid, <span style="color:#33CC00">if you have some psychiatric diseases or other diseases that modern science can't cure, like seeing things or hearing things or suffering from schizophrenia or epilepsy then you might be possessed; listen to the Quran for an hour or so each day and if you faint or start having nightmares or headaches, then this is a sign that you might be possessed.

we recommend that you listen to the following:

http://islam-universe.com/audio/Muhammad.../Ruqiah.rm