Out behind the wood shed...

[plasticfan]

Quote:This is fucking ridiculous, Zagami was exposed within the first month of his arrival to this site. If anyone is stupid enough to still believe in his BS, my advice is use the -search- and read year and a half worth of Leo’s BS on ConCen.
And keep all of his retarded stuff/spam in one thread, please.

that's if one's comments don't get edited or deleted.

[plasticfan]

It's a shame that researchers into the Vatican turn out to be schizophrenic illuminati grand wizards or racist geocentric eccentrics because it's an important topic and doesn't need nutbars.

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Quote:impartiality.

by now it is OVER abundantly clear that many voices find Leo Zagami disreputable and not meriting any further attention whatsoever.

However, there are also members who have expressed an opinion as to wanting to be able to continue tracking the info LZ is presenting at this time. I can understand why many of these voices are reluctant to post up as such on the board too - considering the vociferous nature of comments being plowed around round now.

Whatever, you're (anyone) personal opinion is to the subject at hand, the basic tenet remains:

if you aren't interested in a thread then don't click on it. Of course, this doesn't preclude critique but at the moment it's like some of you lot are like dogs on a bone.

So you think Zagami is deluded and some people are suckered. Okay. That point has been seemingly reiterated now innumerable times.. we even have joeblowman the one hit wonder occasionally holidaying from his spiritual home of theinfounderground to make his "set post" on the subject. Thanks Joe, glad you could spare the time;):rolleyes:

As much as one may find LZ ridiculous all this howling is getting to be so also.

Some people actually still want to listen to the guy - if you (anyone) find that to be deluded and worthy of derision - so be it but in the interests of mutual respect you should at least concede to the fact that some people want to listen to this stuff and stop bullying to get your own way on the matter. Continuing to do so inevitably makes one seem itinerant.

Can't help feeling that some people are clenching their jaws on this out of a subconscious desire at self validation too but that's just my own personal view on it. The rest was an admin comment.

Quote:How the fuck am I am "bullying my own way" on the matter?
That doesn't make any sense really.

Quote:Can't help feeling that some people are clenching their jaws on this out of a subconscious desire at self validation too but that's just my own personal view on it.

So you don't want me to post in threads about LZ saying what I think of him, and creating a topic about it is also frowned upon now too, and again, I'm prescribed character flaws common to children.
:rolleyes:

Is disagreement not allowed now too? I'm not the one with any admin priviliges, and thus the actual power to "bully" anyone in a tangible way.

Some people want to follow LZ. Sometimes I feel the need to point out that he is ridiculous.
I don't feel I've been excessive in this. The sheer number of people decrying him now is the result of his own behavior. :laugh:

I do have an interest in it. Not agreeing with something is no reason to edit it out of my reality and pretend it isn't there. Hmmm what does that attitude remind me of?

I thought he was bullshit from day one. Every now and then i mention it again, since he seems to be ever present here. Is there a problem with that?

Seriously though, when will it be enough? What would Leo have to do before it becomes too much to continue bothering with? I'm curious to know.

It wasn't a post directed at you specifically deathstickboy - it was more aimed at the anti-zagami voices en masse - that's why I took care to write (anyone) reapetedly in brackets,

So when you say:
"how the fuck am I bullying?" it doesn't suprise me that you "don't really know what that means" because you have misconstrued the statement from the outset.

It is bullying as it was bullying to try and force the forum to focus only on zionism. In reverse, if you will ie DONT focus on Zagami whatsoever as we think he's mad!!
And the barrage against Phil,Troy is tantamount to bullying. Meco I leave out as obviously there are other considerations as to the antipathy he is facing.

As I stated, there are people here who still want to listen to what he says. (LZ)

As an admin I surely have to make this clear to ALL the people who are sick of him.

It is understandable why you might have taken the post as a direct comment to yourself, even though it was not, seeing as I posted in what you openly admit is your own "troll thread"...but it wasn't aimed at you specifically - so need I answer your questions on a personal level?

@ddd999 - I agree with you. I think when you called for bannings etc. you were being a dick but the call for Zagami threads to be condensed into one thread ( or two ) seems to be a very good idea. As, regardless of his bullshit content, the overriding focus on the man at present is debilitating all other disscussions on the site - that being of course equally due to the constant stream of lofi detractions too.

It should be noted though that if all things Zagami were concentrated into only a fistful of threads it would be really taking the piss to keep up with the constant trolling of them.

that's my 2cents

[ephilution]

Condensing the threads of Leo into one will leave messy spaghetti. It will make referencing, reading and commenting a time-consuming pain in the ass.

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Fair point Phil. I was meaning more in terms of more and more threads being started where it isn't neccessary...

eg. Leo really need not start a new thread just for the purpose of "replying" to Njegosh. It isn't really observing the protocols of board usage and inevitably leads to charges that the place is being treated as his own personal blogosphere..

I'm just trying to quell the fever dontchaknow and make it clear to the detractors in our number that they can't expect to dictate the content because they personally find something not warranting of attention..:)

[deathstickboy]

Quote:It wasn't a post directed at you specifically deathstickboy - it was more aimed at the anti-zagami voices en masse - that's why I took care to write (anyone) reapetedly in brackets,

So when you say:
"how the fuck am I bullying?" it doesn't suprise me that you "don't really know what that means" because you have misconstrued the statement from the outset.

It is bullying as it was bullying to try and force the forum to focus only on zionism. In reverse, if you will ie DONT focus on Zagami whatsoever as we think he's mad!!
And the barrage against Phil,Troy is tantamount to bullying. Meco I leave out as obviously there are other considerations as to the antipathy he is facing

Well sorry. But I am not a part of that so its funny you would include me in it/address it here. None of them have posted in this thread.

I'm not telling people not to focus on Zagami, have I done that?
No. I am trying to understand why the fuck they choose to lend him credibility, and how far he has to go before they would stop doing that.

Quote:It is understandable why you might have taken the post as a direct comment to yourself, even though it was not, seeing as I posted in what you openly admit is your own "troll thread"...but it wasn't aimed at you specifically - so need I answer your questions on a personal level?

Not personally, but it would be nice to have your opinion on my early suppositions in this thread rather than just going off about a bunch of bullshit I'm not really apart of other then being sucked into this ancillary realm of association based on my long term rejection of Zagami, occasional remarks thereof, and the trollish title and reference.

Because I ask these questions in all seriousness. If a (what appears to me to be a) mad man/con artist can have 70 threads its only fair to let a mean bastard have 1.

Quote:I'm just trying to quell the fever dontchaknow and make it clear to the detractors in our number that they can't expect to dictate the content because they personally find something not warranting of attention..

There is no fever, or attempt to dictate content in this thread. Just a bastard asking hard question in mean ways. :wink:

Your attentiveness as a moderator is warranted, but applying a treatment where it isn't required is a bit much IMO.
:love:

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well, tbh - posting in this thread was a general response to the discourse in reference to zagami which is all over the board at present. You'll see that I have agreed somewhere in this thread that there should be a rationalisation of threads devoted to the dude. If only for the sanctity of his own ego not to mention everyone else's blood pressure.
for me, i'm just trying to be sangfroid about the whole thing - not in the literal sense..:rolleyes:

I'm not clear as to why you think I'm "going off on a bunch of bullshit" - I got a few PM's from folk saying they'd be interested in hearing him out - what can I say..

I'm not "applying a treatment where it is not required" - something at this stage is very much required as the board last week was totally debilitated by verbal flak against anyone not willing to call Zagami a nut.

As I said - I have already stated that for my mind the thread count is getting too high. I have no problem with you making this thread - as far as I'm concerned a thread constructed to critique the man is fair enough.

I "make no bones" and never have that I am distrustful of Leo Zagami and where he is coming from - I do not however completely exclude the possibilty that he does have connections to powerful aristos. Apon whether he is simply mentally ill and suffering from ongoing delusions exacerbated by this realm of interest or whether there is more to it than that, I at this time reserve judgement until I have spoken in more depth to a few.

By all means continue the critique - but please try to not lose your rag with me, as personally I want this debacle sorted out with as little furour as possible so the board can continue to function without anymore traumas.
There's been enough wang slinging over the last 6 months and no one needs it. Basically as a whole we are still getting back to an even keel from the last episodic bullshit and a new round is potentially just more fractious nonsense.

"when will it end?" - it's a divisive question.maybe it will not end and the focus "should" be on how this situation can be stabilised so that it isn't causing a continual open invite for a bunch of members to try and hone there skills in sarcastic wit. There's always plenty of opportunity for that and this mob deep reaction is just slack.
Why can't people start asking meaningful questions to ascertain what the score is with LZ rather than just continually bringing "he's mad and a cunt" etc etc.
For instance, how do you know what you say you know, Njegosh? If you're saying I shouldn't trust Zagami why should I trust you? How do you know such intimate things about Leo's past?
or - what's with with waffen ss structure bullshit Leo? bit weird considering you arrived in the USA on Hitler's birthdate,or set that "lodge" up then - or whatever. Or the points Xares makes.
Ask the hard questions - please, I implore you to do just that.

[blove8.]

Quote:Why can't people start asking meaningful questions to ascertain what the score is with LZ rather than just continually bringing "he's mad and a cunt" etc etc.
For instance, how do you know what you say you know, Njegosh? If you're saying I shouldn't trust Zagami why should I trust you? How do you know such intimate things about Leo's past?
or - what's with with waffen ss structure bullshit Leo? bit weird considering you arrived in the USA on Hitler's birthdate,or set that "lodge" up then - or whatever. Or the points Xares makes.
Ask the hard questions - please, I implore you to do just that.

people are asking questions. i haven't seen much, if anything get answered. what up wit dat shit? :confused:

[ephilution]

If you guys are up for it, why don't you guys make a list of questions and I'll try to run them through with Leo during a recorded Skype talk if he's up for it.

Perhaps you could phrase your question(s) and send it to me in a PM and I will ask Leo if he wants to do an interview special on the questions you guys may still have.

However, in all fairness, I do have to urge you guys to at least first listen to all the very informative interviews Troy did with Leo the last few weeks. Leo's a busy man, so I don't think it's fair to bore him with questions that he already answered.

It could be an interesting and informative quiz nonetheless. So why not?

[blove8.]

phil,

- what are the strongest points of evidence that keep you believing him?

- do you believe that he is a straight shooter and isn't feeding any lines of BS?

- do you think leo zagami is going to save us all from the NWO meanies?

- what makes you think he is not a NWO meanie himself?

- do you think it is ok for him to death threat people?

that's all i have off the top of my head.

[Rosebery]

Quote:You'll see that I have agreed somewhere in this thread that there should be a rationalisation of threads devoted to the dude. If only for the sanctity of his own ego not to mention everyone else's blood pressure.

And Phil said that it would be impossible to merge this lot into a single thread which is true. In another thread I suggested earlier Make a Zagami sub board of Discussion and Debate then peeps can choose to read it or not, post or not.

Cheers

[blove8.]

but Cyrus the Sheppard never got his own sub-board. i guess life ain't always fair.:unsure:

[Rosebery]

Quote:However, in all fairness, I do have to urge you guys to at least first listen to all the very informative interviews Troy did with Leo the last few weeks.

Fair play - I got part way through the first before :bored:and :sleep2: rather overtook me - largely on the basis of deja vu. I'll give 'em a go then.

Quote:Leo's a busy man, so I don't think it's fair to bore him with questions that he already answered.

Leo seems to be making a good politician then.

Cheers

[Rosebery]

Quote:but Cyrus the Sheppard never got his own sub-board. i guess life ain't always fair.:unsure:

But Cyrus had but one simple message! And I still say they were a bloody good band.

Cheers

[Rosebery]

..... and Cyrus didn't have a fan club!

Cheers