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horseonwheels · 07-02-2008, 12:29 PM

nowhere to run, thanks for another useless and jaded video. You start out by saying "astro theology claims"... this is not true. Astro theology is a term like theology, like secularism. It is theology based on the movement of planetary bodies plain and simple, and what people put into it varies a great deal. Just like "theology" includes Christiandom, islam, judaism, some buddhist branches, hindus etc.. and as such nobody can make the claim "theology says", because theology says a lot of things depending on whom you ask.
What you should have started out saying is. "Jordan Maxwell claims!", in the same way that when you speak i assume that you dont speak on behalf of theology just because youre a christian. You are trying to invalidate astro theology entirely because one interpretation clashes with your pet faith.

i have a problem with you nowheretorun and with the shit you pour out. its not that all of it is misleading, its not that its all bad, in fact a lot of it is true. its the fact it is constantly hovering around what you have come to accept as being true and reality on face value and blind faith namely Christianity, and it is not particulary interrested in finding out what is true or not, only in what can lead to an assumption that the holey Bible might be true, or its critics misproven. but even tho most conspiracy nuts are unaware of this, if youre looking for actual valid criticism of christianity or any other religion for that matter, you dont go to guy slike Jordan Maxwell. Its not like Christianity and Islam has not been thouroughly debunked, forcing those who still cling on to it to make it a rather undefined spiritual pracsis apart from what it started out as, or become "thumbers" those who take it letterally that the earth is 6000 y.o or take amputation of thiefs litteraly.

So the short of it is. Your truthseeking all revolves around a preconcieved idea that you have about how everything works, that includes a jewish zombie whoms flesh we should eat, do you understand why i approach your "truth" with a whole lot of scepticism, now that i have taken you personally in being outright deceptive in other videos? (something that apparently is still the name of the game)

horseonwheels · (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008 12:44 PM by horseonwheels.)

Quote:Feel free to point out errors in it, but it sort of destroyed the credibility of Zeitgeist for me.

try and folow the debates between the authors, its all "out there". What most of these zeitgeist debunkers do is go to google, and if they cant find a subject spoken about on the net, they conclude it doesnt excists, or even worse...they go by what wiki and edited encyclopedias tells them and go on to make stupid deunking videos or scripts. I think the term is wiki scholars, or google scholars. Im not saying zeitgeist is without err, far from it, and its jumping to some pretty wild conclusions because the makers of the movie misunderstood the arguemtn present, especially in regard to Horus. No serious scholar is arguing that Jesus was a carbon copy of horus, but rather that jesus was the result of a natural conglamoration of ideas dominating in the area. There was a lot of trade and cultural exchange in the middle east and roman empiire, to this there exists no debate. this is why several scholars belive that Islam e.g. is the direct result of Roman law, an idea that hasnt gained massive support tho, but its telling that they have found so many traces of roman influences that they suspect it may be all out Roman.

The jesus mythos is not a copy of any single religion or diety, but rather has an arm from mithra, and ear from horus, 2 fingers from baal etc etc...This is the way ALL religion in the world was shaped over years, and only when man started to actually write this ideas down came dogma as a somewhat hostile force to facts.

humbug · 07-02-2008, 01:40 PM

good points horseonwheels. i couldn't agree more.

i quote myself today
"if you are a vampire cannibal specializing in nouvelle genitalia cuisine, in other words a christian, just let it go, way too jaded."

good loving christians have the potential for blowing it for all of us. seriously

nowheretorun · 07-02-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:I feel that really understanding the issue of the "obscene cross-fucking".

cro-Magnon vs. neander. and of course the right-eous sunnyprewds raped the wild bunnygirls.
this may have started the war on left-handedness and the war on redheads.

I see, your coming from the tsarion school of human ego, ego was caused by genetic alien intervention etc.

his logic is about as hard to follow on that as your posts, maby its a good fit.
first check http://sitchiniswrong.com

Quote:You start out by saying "astro theology claims".

I mostly say "the proponents of astro-theology claim..." guess I missed a few.

Quote:You are trying to invalidate astro theology entirely because one interpretation clashes with your pet faith.

no its actually because it seems like sometimes most of us "truthers" we couldnt give a flying shit about "truth" we only want what makes us feel good
it doesnt matter if horus wasnt crucified, or that jesus' existence has only recently been challenged only because enough time has passed, and we are fluoridated enough to belive things without looking in to it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I93OLYzewgY&...&playnext=1

"lets believe people that tell us that without question because sometimes we need a break from the truth" right?...after a long day of fighting tyranny sometimes you just need to hear exactly what you want to hear...please. we are being lied to on a massive scale, most of you even know that they are satanist at the top, but it seems like we refuse to believe their propaganda could be what it logically would be in that case...vehemently anti-Christian...they are turning the truth movement into walking talking UN/EU/Vatican press releases (anti-christian and jewish) and we are believing the mystery school religion verbatim. dont you see a problem with that?
you can believe Im trying to divide us but someone out there please understand Im trying to unite us. I dont care if you are a christian or not, but I do care if you are falling into the trap that is obvioulsy set for those that have a piece of this vast truth. (I.E. those that are the most dangerous to them)

of course I am also defending my faith. but only because other people are lying about it. I f-ing loath it when people say im "defending my paradigm because I cant handle the truth etc." I am trying very hard to get US to realize that WE are being psi opped by the same people killing us off. we have this notion that we have the NWO totally figured out and that we are WAY above being tricked anymore because we know about berky water filters and 911 being an inside job. but we are vastly underestimating them.

do you think for one minute Im doing this because I think its fun. people HATE me a LOT. that is something I have to get used to.

shZ · 07-02-2008, 04:46 PM

What's up with all the hostility? The guy has legitimate points. A starwman argument or ad hominem attacks don't convince me.

harmonius · 07-02-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:...or that jesus' existence has only recently been challenged...

Sorry man, I gotta tell you the veracity of the Messiahs existence has been challenged from the get go, but has found more fertile ground in the last few hundred years. Especially since the Enlightenment period where people started to try and think for themselves rather than have the Church force upon them 'Jesus Uber Alles Or Else!'

MMM

harmonius · 07-02-2008, 04:49 PM

Quote:...or that jesus' existence has only recently been challenged...

Sorry man, I gotta tell you the veracity of the Messiahs existence has been challenged from the get go, but has found more fertile ground in the last few hundred years. Especially since the Enlightenment period where people started to try and think for themselves rather than have the Church force upon them 'Jesus Uber Alles Or Else!'

BTW are you a Chris White follower or are you him?

MMM

deathstickboy · (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008 06:15 PM by deathstickboy.)

http://www.revereradio.net/Wednesday.html

Quote:6PM EDT / 5PM CDT
Nowhere to Run with Chris White.
It's Wednesday rock-and-roll Vespers as Chris breaks down the conspiracy from a Biblical perspective. It's the show THEY dont want you to hear.

If you only attack Tsarion or Maxwell, and say, totally ignore anthropology and never really bother to study ancient mythology and its role in agricultural civillizations and their development between 2000 and 5000 years ago, its fairly easy to take a position like "astro-theology is bullshit and jesus is lord".

The point is that Christianity just so happens to very obviously be yet another product of the same mystery schools you now claim are trying to get rid of it.

The problem lies in your unwillingness to admit that religion its self is a method of control, the problem you face is that the old methods are being phased out as they no longer fit into the long term plan or method of the so called elites.

They have a new religion for the masses, for a new age and industrial/post industrial soceities.
You just seem upset that your form of brainwashing is no longer going to be the most popular or something.

If insisting that "astro-theology is bullshit" as part of a pro-christian argument is your idea of how to "unite the truth movement" then I think you need some new ideas.

Like maybe dropping the insistence that the ultimate goal of the elites is simply to destroy Christianity, as if they don't already own the vast majority of it or something.
:rolleyes:

shZ · 07-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:Like maybe dropping the insistence that the ultimate goal of the elites is simply to destroy Christianity, as if they don't already own the vast majority of it or something.
:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what that means really, but they also "own" a vast majority of your secular beliefs btw. :huh:

deathstickboy · 07-02-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:
Quote:Like maybe dropping the insistence that the ultimate goal of the elites is simply to destroy Christianity, as if they don't already own the vast majority of it or something.
:rolleyes:
I'm not sure what that means really, but they also "own" a vast majority of your secular beliefs btw. :huh:

I was speaking of the institutions and not the beliefs themselves. :lolsmack: Sure the secular institutions are in the same boat, but that isn't the point.

The goal of those in power is to maintain their monopoly over power, its not a grudge against "christianity" at the behest of satan.

shZ · 07-02-2008, 06:43 PM

That makes more sense:P.

nowheretorun · (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008 07:42 PM by nowheretorun.)

Quote:
Quote:...or that jesus' existence has only recently been challenged...

Sorry man, I gotta tell you the veracity of the Messiahs existence has been challenged from the get go, but has found more fertile ground in the last few hundred years. Especially since the Enlightenment period where people started to try and think for themselves rather than have the Church force upon them 'Jesus Uber Alles Or Else!'

I guess I should have used another point of the many things we are getting lied to about.
I knew this one would distract from my overall point.

can I see some evidence of someone in the first century saying that jesus was simply made up? that he didnt exist.

I have pages and pages of secular history from the romans and greeks and jews denying that he was god, or that he rose from the dead, or that his miracles werent parlor tricks.

but if we are going on evidence, then the burden of proof is on you to produce some record of them claiming he didnt exist. (im not saying there isnt but there is a TON of data showing them trying to explain away his miricles etc)

they all seemed to agree he existed. even though they werent to happy with the guy.

It would be like if 1700 years from now I hated the idea of old America and I told you George Washington never existed.
it wouldnt fly right now, we still have some pretty hard evidence but in 1700 years I could probably get away with it.

what did hitler say about BIG lies?

whether you like it or not the people in power hate jesus and they know good and damn well what he taught is poison to the NWO.
(not what the catholic church taught , but what HE taught)
so they throw smoke screens everywhere, they tell you he didnt exist. if you wont buy that, they will tell you he was just an example of what you can be if you know enough secret knowlege, if you wont by that they will tell you he was just a wise teacher who had a good run.

the fact is that Jesus was serioulsy anti-nwo
the only people he ever said a harsh word to was the clergy of his day and the bankers.

I wish I hadnt brought that up because I really dont want to turn this perfectly good thread into a "was Yeshua real or not thread" but so be it.

yeah its me. (Chris) not some "follower" lol

nowheretorun · 07-02-2008, 08:16 PM

I thought this video might help explain what Im saying.
It was made by an atheist/agnostic who came to the same conclusions regarding the NWO and Jesus
Its short but really goes in to the money trail and other details showing the connection and the reason (from his perspective)
that they are lying about Jesus.

Its called
"They are misleading you"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY

shZ · 07-02-2008, 09:18 PM

So short of ad hominems and straw mans, no one can actually defend "astro-theology?" Interesting.

deathstickboy · (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008 10:29 PM by deathstickboy.)

Quote:So short of ad hominems and straw mans, no one can actually defend "astro-theology?" Interesting.

This history connecting astrology to ancient mesopotamian religion isn't really up for debate as far as i know. Its kind of a historical fact.

Agricultural societies all created systems of astrology in association with their respective mythologies and cultural practices around the world.

The Christian religion and christian ritual especially is all drawn from pre-christian sources, all of which were based on worship of the heavens.

I don't see how pointing out factual inaccuracy on the part of the makers of Zeitgiest, or poor research my Maxwell, ect, actually constitutes a rational argument against basic knowledge of ancient history.