China admits weather control

[Hans Olo]

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Quote:In August, the Beijing Weather Modification Office will place the area's 20 firing sites on standby for a major test. In the Fragrant Hills west of Beijing, Yu and six others at the Man-Made Hail-Prevention and Rain-Increasing Work Station will be at the ready, manning four anti-aircraft batteries, which are army castoffs from the 1960s. Yu's wife will talk to Beijing by walkie-talkie, getting the all-clear from aviation authorities and relaying the firing order from the meteorologists. Yu says he hopes to dissipate any clouds completely, increasing the barrage and concentrating his fire if necessary.

Two summers from now, "if rain clouds are headed toward the Olympic stadium, we will intercept them," says Zhang Qiang, a "weather modifier" at the Beijing Meteorological Bureau who will issue the command. "But I can't guarantee the ceremony (will be dry). If there is a big rainstorm, I have no way to stop it."

The U.S. pioneered cloud-seeding in the 1940s and '50s, but the government has cooled on its effectiveness, leaving the field to specialist companies. In China, among the most water-poor nations, the state tries to squeeze every drop from above.

"China has the largest rainmaking (operation) in the world," ahead of Russia and Israel, says professor Wang Guanghe, a 20-year rainmaking veteran at China's Meteorological Sciences Academy. "Each province reports results to us of between 10% to 25%" additional rainfall.

The Chinese government rarely shirks nature's challenge. It recently completed the $25 billion Three Gorges Dam, the world's largest, which was built despite the objections of environmentalists at home and abroad. Weather manipulation is an enthusiastic past-time for Beijing, possibly because so many of the country's Communist leaders are engineers.

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After a century of the press denying weather control, cloudseeding and chemtrails and calling these techniques "conspiracy theories" suddenly overnight every damn newspaper reports about weather modification as if it was no big deal.

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http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=21166

[humbug]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHA9W-zExQ

[Hans Olo]

Ah well that's nice, too.

[rsol]

Quote:"But I can't guarantee the ceremony (will be dry). If there is a big rainstorm, I have no way to stop it."

yes, chilling.... the power of cloud seeding. yes we can make it a bit dryer than i should:) wowsers

DENIED???? BY WHO???? Ive never read a report that says "cloud seeding revealed to be just some big conspiracy theory" I have wonder about how proud ppl were when they say they can modify the weather, only to find out that modification should read "change a tiny bit"

[Guest]

Quote:Beijing vows rain will not fall on its parade
Beijing has declared its weather-fighting forces will ensure no rain falls on October's National Day parade, which will mark the 60th year of Communist Party rule.


By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Published: 10:30AM BST 25 Aug 2009

Zhang Qiang, the deputy head of the city's "Weather Modification" office, told state media that anti-rain rockets would be ready for the celebration. President Hu Jintao will oversee an enormous military parade on Tiananmen Square.

"From weather records for the National Day in Beijing in the past three decades, we see a 30 per cent chance of rainfall, mostly drizzle," said Guo Hu, head of the Beijing meteorological bureau.

Before the Olympic Games last year, Beijing fired 1,104 anti-rain rockets from 21 sites around the capital to ward off an approaching rain belt. The rockets "seed" clouds with chemicals such as silver iodide in order to disperse them.

Whether or not the rockets work is still a matter of debate. Mr Zhang said the rockets could disperse some clouds but not prevent a large storm.

Ye Qian, the assistant president of the Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences said there was no effective way to change the weather. "Artificial rain reduction is like boiling water. If you want to stop the boiling, you must turn off the fire before it reaches the boiling point. But we just cannot find the point," he said.

The Communist Party is focusing all its efforts on the 60th anniversary celebrations, and hotel rooms across Beijing have already been booked out for the thousands of visiting officials from across the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...its-parade.html

[plasticfan]

Moscow Mayor Promises a Winter Without Snow
Simon Shuster / Moscow – Sat Oct 17, 9:15 am ET
TIME

Pigs still can't fly, but this winter, the mayor of Moscow promises to keep it from snowing. For just a few million dollars, the mayor's office will hire the Russian Air Force to spray a fine chemical mist over the clouds before they reach the capital, forcing them to dump their snow outside the city. Authorities say this will be a boon for Moscow, which is typically covered with a blanket of snow from November to March. Road crews won't need to constantly clear the streets, and traffic - and quality of life - will undoubtedly improve.

The idea came from Mayor Yury Luzhkov, who is no stranger to playing God. In 2002, he spearheaded a project to reverse the flow of the vast River Ob through Siberia to help irrigate the country's parched Central Asian neighbors. Although that idea hasn't exactly turned out as planned - scientists have said it's not feasible - this time, Luzhkov says, there's no way he can fail. (See TIME's photo-essay "Vladimir Putin: Action Figure.")

Controlling the weather in Moscow is nothing new, he says. Ahead of the two main holidays celebrated in the city each year - Victory Day in May and City Day in September - the often cash-strapped air force is paid to make sure that it doesn't, well, rain on the parades. With a city budget of $40 billion a year (larger than New York City's budget), Moscow can easily afford the $2-3 million price tag to keep the skies blue as spectators watch the tanks and rocket launchers roll along Red Square. Now there's a new challenge for the air force: Moscow's notorious blizzards.

"You know how every year on City Day and Victory Day we create the weather?" Luzhkov asked a group of farmers outside Moscow in September, according to Russian media reports. "Well, we should do the same with the snow! Then outside Moscow there will be more moisture, a bigger harvest, while for us it won't snow as much. It will make financial sense." (See pictures of Russia celebrating Victory Day.)

The plan was unsurprisingly rubber-stamped this week by the Moscow City Council, which is dominated by Luzhkov's supporters. Then the city's Department of Housing and Public Works described how it would work. The air force will use cement powder, dry ice or silver iodide to spray the clouds from Nov. 15 to March 15 - and only to prevent "very big and serious snow" from falling on the city, said Andrei Tsybin, the head of the department. This could mean that a few flakes will manage to slip through the cracks. Tsybin estimated that the total cost of keeping the storms at bay would be $6 million this winter, roughly half the amount Moscow normally spends to clear the streets of snow.

So far the main objection to the plan has come from Moscow's suburbs, which will likely be inundated with snow if the plan goes forward. Alla Kachan, the Moscow region's ecology minister, said the proposal still needs to be assessed by environmental experts and discussed with the people living in the area before Luzhkov can enact it. "The citizens of the region have some concerns. We have received lots of messages," she told the RIA news agency. (Read TIME's 1991 article "The End of the U.S.S.R.")

With only a few weeks left before winter comes, environmentalists will have to work fast to keep Luzhkov from implementing his zaniest plan to date - and to stop the first snowflakes from wafting down to the city streets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091017/wl...9193082200

[April]

Great find plastic!

[Hans Olo]

The same media outlets that report China's weather modification abilities times and again are also telling us, there is no such thing as weather modification. Then they turn around and tell us, weather modification is good, but it still doesn't exist. It makes my head spin.

[JazzRoc]

Apparently Russia's city streets are fun in Spring when all the dogshit unfreezes.

[ToddTraf]

Quote:Apparently Russia's city streets are fun in Spring when all the dogshit unfreezes.

I'd take dogshit, Here in upstate NY all 5-6 months worth of roadside snow eventually melts and any forgotten snowplowed roadkill thaws all in one day.

[April]

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[Hans Olo]

Quote:DENIED???? BY WHO???? Ive never read a report that says "cloud seeding revealed to be just some big conspiracy theory"

Are you kidding? Every government in the world, every "science" mag, every TV show has called it a big conspiracy theory. They put all aerial spraying, no matter what purpose in a box and deny it's happning while at the same time admitting it exists and call it wonderful.

[JFK]

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After a century of the press denying weather control, cloudseeding and chemtrails and calling these techniques "conspiracy theories" suddenly overnight every damn newspaper reports about weather modification as if it was no big deal.

You may be interested in my album at Letsroll regarding "Project Popeye" which was made public in 1974...

http://letsrollforums.com/album.php?albumid=9

[Hans Olo]

Yes, that is interesting. Thanks, John.