Freemason questions

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Quote:The Masonic CHIP (Child Identification Program) is not a implant program. We don't implant anything. All that happens is we take a picture, get the stats, fingerprints, and then it is printed off on a card. All the data on the computer is erased.

I totally believe you.

[mastermg]

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Quote:The Masonic CHIP (Child Identification Program) is not a implant program. We don't implant anything. All that happens is we take a picture, get the stats, fingerprints, and then it is printed off on a card. All the data on the computer is erased.

I totally believe you.

:LOL:
I forgot about this thread, its been a long time.

[hilly7]

I gotta say that while I do believe in an evil powers that be, the Masons aren't them. I'm sure some may have been just from the law of averages.

The best example I have of a 32 degree Mason & Shriner I know is my grandfather. His friends growing up were much as him and acted as such. This is a man that sucks at business sense. He went through WW2 in the medical part helping, had a weapon, but never fired it. Worked on and off in construction but mostly was a truck driver. The last company was Roadway, over 2 million miles, no tickets, no accidents. He raised me as his own when my parents did not, yet harvested no hard feelings when they visited me from time to time and welcomed them. His off days were and still are (at 84 he is slower now) helping anybody who asked. This is a man that would and has literally gave his last dollar to someone in need, provided our family had our needs met. I never seen him take a tax break or for that matter even credit, he shys away. He never mentioned the Lodge or anything and I must say, loved me as his own, unconditionally. Even more important, through actions, he taught me to do the same. In the 70s you didn't see long hair, not down to their waist with a beard and an attitude. His skin was ivory white and mine quite a lot darker from the Cherokee, yet he and his friends accepted me in a time when difference wasn't acceptable. I never was taught prejudice and never seen him display it with anybody. He wasn't a big church goer, but he did and does believe, yet never shoved it down my throat. His beliefs were vegetairian, mon's wasn't, yet we all ate according to what we wanted. It's not until later in life did this ever occur to me just how much of a man he is and has always been, and what a mark I have to aspire to be, which I still fall short.

There are some question I wanted to see answered in this thread, some that I have pondered... yet if had they not from my own experience, it would not have changed my mind. I just can't see an all evil any group, especially Masons. But I will say thank you to those who answered and asked.

[KSigMason]

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Quote:The Masonic CHIP (Child Identification Program) is not a implant program. We don't implant anything. All that happens is we take a picture, get the stats, fingerprints, and then it is printed off on a card. All the data on the computer is erased.

I totally believe you.

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I forgot about this thread, its been a long time.

I'm all about dusting off the oldies.:D

[mastermg]

I know freemasons aren't evil satan worships. I was reading a Tex Marrs book I started this and was curious about the information he wrote about Masons.
However there is one fact that is even mainstream now. Back in the day, the Illuminati has infiltrated the highest levels of the order. The question that should be asked is, do they still have control?
Peace

[stanteau]

Quote:I know freemasons aren't evil satan worships. I was reading a Tex Marrs book I started this and was curious about the information he wrote about Masons.
However there is one fact that is even mainstream now. Back in the day, the Illuminati has infiltrated the highest levels of the order. The question that should be asked is, do they still have control?
Peace

I've had to start asking what the hell is the illuminati? After my experience with the 3 branches of masonry (blue lodge, Scottish Rite, York) not to mention my readings about how Alleister Crowly started various societies for nefarious devil plots that ended up being him and some friends fuckin around with tarot cards (and in some cases they ended up robbing each other), finding out some university teacher made up a society for an "intelligensia" to plan a fascist type rule, that doesn't mean they ever had any REAL power outside of a parlor room.

I think one of the worst ways to bring about a secret take over is to name it, odds are if there is 1 central power structure the real strings are pulled from a source no one here has ever heard of or even thought of.

[kevlar]

all the freemason information is not realy detailed, if it wasn't for the masonic temples and the symbology you would be left with nothing much.

i guess that is why they call it a secret society...

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Quote:I know freemasons aren't evil satan worships. I was reading a Tex Marrs book I started this and was curious about the information he wrote about Masons.
However there is one fact that is even mainstream now. Back in the day, the Illuminati has infiltrated the highest levels of the order. The question that should be asked is, do they still have control?
Peace

I've had to start asking what the hell is the illuminati? After my experience with the 3 branches of masonry (blue lodge, Scottish Rite, York) not to mention my readings about how Alleister Crowly started various societies for nefarious devil plots that ended up being him and some friends fuckin around with tarot cards (and in some cases they ended up robbing each other), finding out some university teacher made up a society for an "intelligensia" to plan a fascist type rule, that doesn't mean they ever had any REAL power outside of a parlor room.

I think one of the worst ways to bring about a secret take over is to name it, odds are if there is 1 central power structure the real strings are pulled from a source no one here has ever heard of or even thought of.

And there's no doubt that freemasonary is tied up with those strings somewhere..

Check out this present:



I think you'd need just a wee bit of clout to be able to present this as a 'gift'..

"Location, location, location"..I think there's probably a little bit of 'REAL power' behinds these doors:




a couple of noticables:






none too shabby:

[mastermg]

Quote:I've had to start asking what the hell is the illuminati?

Modern day, it takes the form as the Federal Reserve, hence where all the money came from to build those things Nik posted.

[Dr Richard H Thorndyke]

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Quote:I've had to start asking what the hell is the illuminati?

Modern day, it takes the form as the Federal Reserve, hence where all the money came from to build those things Nik posted.

The "things Nik posted" are:

The Statue Of Liberty - paid for by the people of France (including, I believe, Freemasons) and presented to the American people in 1886, which as I'm sure you know MMG, being the scrupulous researcher that you are, is 27 years before the Federal Reserve was even formed. How did the Illuminati achieve this? Time Travel?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_Liberty

This wiki article even has section about the symbolism of the Statue.

The second picture is of Freemasons Hall in London which is the 3rd Masonic building to be situated on that site since 1775. This particular building was built on top of the previous one between 1927 and 1933. It's open to the public and even has guided tours 5 times a day plus a section on how to join a Lodge if you are interested.

Here's their website so you can have a look for yourself:

http://www.ugle.org.uk/ugle/intro.htm

The last photograph nik posted was just an interior shot of Freemasons Hall in London. Very grand indeed!!

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One thing of interest would be that, although, outlawing Freemasonary - as being 'a vehicle for Jews', Adolf Hitler never imposed sanction on the "old Prussian lodges" - which would be the ones specific to where Adam Weishaupt, with backing, had formalised the 'illuminati'.

[stanteau]

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Quote:I know freemasons aren't evil satan worships. I was reading a Tex Marrs book I started this and was curious about the information he wrote about Masons.
However there is one fact that is even mainstream now. Back in the day, the Illuminati has infiltrated the highest levels of the order. The question that should be asked is, do they still have control?
Peace

I've had to start asking what the hell is the illuminati? After my experience with the 3 branches of masonry (blue lodge, Scottish Rite, York) not to mention my readings about how Alleister Crowly started various societies for nefarious devil plots that ended up being him and some friends fuckin around with tarot cards (and in some cases they ended up robbing each other), finding out some university teacher made up a society for an "intelligensia" to plan a fascist type rule, that doesn't mean they ever had any REAL power outside of a parlor room.

I think one of the worst ways to bring about a secret take over is to name it, odds are if there is 1 central power structure the real strings are pulled from a source no one here has ever heard of or even thought of.

And there's no doubt that freemasonary is tied up with those strings somewhere..

Check out this present:



I think you'd need just a wee bit of clout to be able to present this as a 'gift'..

"Location, location, location"..I think there's probably a little bit of 'REAL power' behinds these doors:




a couple of noticables:






none too shabby:

What if these guys were Iron Eagles? Or Elks? From my experience I wouldn't doubt that Churchill never once attended a lodge meeting during the war. Once you experience it you realise, oh, this is just something people do and they usually fall out of it after a year or two. Until you experience it yourself you can't grasp what I mean but it's not nearly as serious as you expect.

I mean, Washington was initiated an EA (as have I), raise to FC over 4 months later (I did mine in 2 weeks) and raised to MM another 4 months later (which again I did 2 weeks after my FC). The time between initiations is entirely based upon your ability to memorize your oath and a few other things, most people at my lodge do take almost 6 motnhs (or more) to pass all 3 degrees. So nothing out of the ordinary there.

Than he was present at the laying of a cornerstone in DC, I was present at my lodge building a monument at an overcross where several motorists have died, once again, very ho hum and average.

All of the events mentioned in Washington's bio are done with very little due payments (mine are less than $100 a year) and are open to the public (i.e. ANYONE can join, I won't go into it but someone at our lodge who is in a position to move up to Worshipful Master is not very adept, physically) and once you pay those dues it's all free. Scottish Rite is another $125 or so and again, open to anyone who is in good standings with their Blue Lodge, and York is less than $20. None of these things are secretive in any way.

Let me let you in on a big secret, wanna know why it's all "secret" and they don't want outsides knowing secret words/rituals/oaths? Because then no one would join!

Sorry but some pictures of Churchill's and Washington's memberships do nothing for me. They didn't cut the heads off goats to get them, they didn't rape kids, they didn't do this or that

Watch this Discovery Channel video at the 2:40 minute mark of the MM Degree. It is 100% spot on of what actually goes down except without the creepy music and a lot more giggling and gay jokes to the blindfolded candidate (I mean, when it's inspection season we're all very serious, but trust me, it's done with a LOT of levity) and the other 2 blue lodge degrees are way tamer.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, Washington serving as Worshipful Msster nearly 30 years after being raised, let me just say 99% of masons I know who serve as Worshipful do so within the first 10 years of being raised. You have to go through line, that is to say that you have to serve a year in every spot (Junior and Senoir Stewards, Junior and Senior Deacon, Junior and Senior Warden, and finally Master) so I am not saying Washington was a BAD Mason, he just wasn't a very ACTIVE Mason. This factors into Churchill as well, odds are he attended lodge maybe twice a year, unless evidence comes out in contrary to that, but most people join and rarely show up.

And one more thing, if any of these guys are running the world from the lodges they couldn't possibly have time to serve these positions, the Senior Steward for example is tasked with providing refreshments for the lodge. Nowadays I sometimes buy pizzas or hotdogs, but in Washington's day, let's just say I don't see him peeling a hundred potatoes in the middle of his Satanic child raping portal opening whatchmacallits meetings.

And also, the lodge you showed that's so fanciful, where is that? Odds are it's in a very large city because the lodges in my district are, for the most part, not in the greatest of shape and my ldoge in particular was a combination of 3 seperate lodges after they couldn't pay the bills and their building for too dilapidated.

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Quote:What if these guys were Iron Eagles? Or Elks? From my experience I wouldn't doubt that Churchill never once attended a lodge meeting during the war.

They weren't and the other is purely speculative conjecture.

Stan, I appreciate that your being totally candid about your own experiences but it doesn't necessarily extend to it being a panacea.

For example - I could meet a really helpful and socially conscious policeman - but it doesn't then therefore extrapolate that ALL policemen are like that..

I could talk on the internet to a freemason who is just genuinely inquisitive and good natured - but it doesn't necessarily follow that the most elite of that order comprise the same sentiments..

I tell you what, I'd trust you over this guy any day:

[stanteau]

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Quote:What if these guys were Iron Eagles? Or Elks? From my experience I wouldn't doubt that Churchill never once attended a lodge meeting during the war.

They weren't and the other is purely speculative conjecture.

Stan, I appreciate that your being totally candid about your own experiences but it doesn't necessarily extend to it being a panacea.

For example - I could meet a really helpful and socially conscious policeman - but it doesn't then therefore extrapolate that ALL policemen are like that..

I could talk on the internet to a freemason who is just genuinely inquisitive and good natured - but it doesn't necessarily follow that the most elite of that order comprise the same sentiments..

I tell you what, I'd trust you over this guy any day:

So than what is your claim? It appears to be that Masonry is connected to high society, high society is connected to NWO-type goings on (leave it vague for now) and A+B=C Masonry is connected (directly) to NWO-type goings ons. I just don't see it. You provided the evidence of Washington's membership but that does not mean anything (at least to me) in the broad scope of things for the reasons I already said.

I have to ask you this, what IS your claim and what are your DIRECT threads of evidence. Yes, Washington was a Mason, but what does that mean and what is it's relation to the rest of your claims? I know you've presented the Mason-microchip connection (which, once again, between the 7 lodges I've been to in the past year I have NEVER heard mentioned once or in any of the 4 news letters I recieve) which I would counter as the same agenda has been put forward by tons of other organizations and corporations, ergo my claim is that Masonry is no more secretive than a Microsoft board room meeting (which in itself COULD be damn insidious, I give you that) or a church in California spotlighting a parent who found their child because of a microchip implant. I just can't really follow where this evidence is leading.

Before joining I was very much in the same opinion as you (Honestly I joined directly to 'infiltrate' them Bill Cooper style), but right now I read these types of conspiratorial claims and just roll my eyes at how 'off' it is, that is to say just how off base even simple accusations are.

My point with the Washington thing is to say I am as much a Mason as Washington was, does that make me as evil/good/[whatever your claim purports] as Washington?

No offense whatsoever, you already know your one of my fav dudes on the board:)we're just coming from 2 completely different viewpoints, ya know?

Plus, this weekend my lodge is sponsoring a bus trip to Greektown Detroit to gamble, next week is a fishing trip, after that in June is a Tigers/Indians game and a trip 'for the ladies' to some Amish community, nope, nothing insidious there (though I do hate baseball)

[mastermg]

Whatever, lets blame the Zionists :P