Freemason questions

[stanteau]

Quote:Question is, who they be working for?

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?s=...st&p=140524

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybr8Z6pzVs0B)

I skipped through the video but as far as the Chip thing, like I said I never heard it in my lodge. My point is what one lodge does is independent, a lot of private companies, schools, etc. have had similar "Chip Awareness" campaigns and such.

One thing I did participate in however was donating almost $200,000 to the Special Olympics in Ohio.

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Quote:I skipped through the video but as far as the Chip thing, like I said I never heard it in my lodge. My point is what one lodge does is independent, a lot of private companies, schools, etc. have had similar "Chip Awareness" campaigns and such.

One thing I did participate in however was donating almost $200,000 to the Special Olympics in Ohio.

fuck the special olympics. I spent time volunteering helping 'special' people, so go ahead and tell me why it's wrong to say FUCK THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS IN OHIO.. I swear you get worse by the day. The video was just to take the piss a little - sorry:P

Well anyway, you kept saying " my lodge don't do it, I never heard of it" - so there was the link for ye.

so before it was how freemasonary was legit across the board and now it's "what one lodge does in independent [from any other]"

Fine, you haven't seen anything but appealing sociality since you joined your lodge but whether freemasonary contains a malevolent streak OR NOT can you stop ascribing your experiences OF YOUR OWN LODGE as a panacea for all freemasonic activity?!

what do you think about the writings of Albert Pike, Stanteau?

[stanteau]

Hmmmm... I'm gonna chill over there for a while and 'get worse'

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I said you're getting worse because of the $200,000 for special olympics charity raising comment - I could feel the smugness through the fibre optics..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAIWTLal9e4...feature=related

anyway, apologies

[stanteau]

It's not smugness, it's my actual opinion, for 3 years I heard, and believed, that, then I actually do some first hand research and find out it's this, and call me a cock but I'm not gonna shit on a $200,000 donation to a good cause, neither of us would say that is an immoral action, right?

Either way I'm done, if you had the first hand experience you'd know what I was talking about, Masons criticize Masons, Lodges criticize Lodges, because each one has their own idea of what is right.

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Quote:but I'm not gonna shit on a $200,000 donation to a good cause, neither of us would say that is an immoral action, right?

wrong. I think it's bullshit self congratulatory nonsense. I dare say there's far more useful and practible things that could be done with 200k in the local environs than donate it to the special olympics. The mind boggles but if you think that's a worthwhile use of money and want to feel good about it then go for it.

[stanteau]

Were just at totally different ends of the spectrum

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as I said - getting worse by the day..


j/k

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what spectrum is that anyway though??
philanthropy buying heaven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlwPBW9om4I...feature=related

[stanteau]

General charity, I can't find myself to be opposed to any kind of charity so long as there isn't poison in the food, and that's the spectrum, if someone is being helped I can't object.

But seriously, I don't care anymore, you obviously have your own motives and biases that I just can't compete with

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Quote:General charity, I can't find myself to be opposed to any kind of charity so long as there isn't poison in the food, and that's the spectrum, if someone is being helped I can't object.

But seriously, I don't care anymore, you obviously have your own motives and biases that I just can't compete with

charity, as in the example you espose, is very often a tax write off for the so-called philanthropist. Or do we just conveniently figure that out of the equation?

let's leave it at that then, although it's a shame you couldn't comment on Pike.

I am biased ( as you are too ) ; who isn't? I detest 'old boy' networks.

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Quote:and that's the spectrum, if someone is being helped I can't object.

if only the world were that simple.

[mastermg]

Yeah Albert Pike is now in the question. And I still dont understand why the Freemasonic symbols on the dollar bill represent the New Wold Order. I mean, ok, we can say that the "all seeing eye" is just a widely known and accepted symbol as Horse stated, but what about the "Novus Ordo Seclorum"?

[horseonwheels]

Quote:charity, as in the example you espose, is very often a tax write off for the so-called philanthropist. Or do we just conveniently figure that out of the equation?

its the age old question: "is it morally wrong to save a man from drowning, if your only motivation for doing so is making the headlines".

It is true that the things i write is the result of my own observations, and all im asking you is to provide some evidence that the masons are being used as a vehicle for manipulation of current events, evidence that doesnt rely solely on hearsay and youtube videos with techno music in the background. There have been masons that were extremists, which comes as no surprise as any and all movements has them. And very vocal ones too. What these people doesnt get to do, is become the primary representative of a whole movement just because they are vocal about their own personal held oppinions. Islam can relate. A subversive wahabi sect has taken over more or less completely and has succesfully managed to convince everybody that they are the voice of islam. But they are not, they are an oppinion, an interpretation, as are Pike, Hall etc.

The bottomline for me is this; we can all obseve the imense influence that roundtable groups, think tanks, and councils have. If members of these future shaping cults happens to be masons aswell, im more interrested in their involvement in the roundtable groups than the fact that they might just belive in and worship a 6000 year old fire deity (but call it the wrong name...), build schools on the side and support retard sports. None of these things gives them a free pass for any involvement in evil they may have had a finger in the making of, in these roundtable groups, but atleast if does good for those it does good for. similarly should their membership of what is now a worldwide, well known, well documented religious/humanistic movement fall back on that movement as a whole.

All americans arent assholes just because the power behind is. All muslims arent equally guilty as bin laden just because he seems to be able to find justification for his wrong doings in the Quran and hadith. And masonry is not evil just because some masons are. And i cannot stress enough that talking about "masons" even "masonic lodges" is similar to talking about "people" and "groups", it makes no sense untill the right question drops: "Who, are you talking about exactly, what person, what lodge, what system, where from?".

And thats my main reservation about the conspiracy theories surrounding them too. most are based on very, very, VERY old source material. But what held true then, may not now, and some of the lodges in question havent existed for 200 years or more, nor did they claim to be part of any established "system". We need new information, new observation, new evidences. Another but academic resevation is that larger part of these source materials are often from cristians, meaning a competing movement in the same general area of belief and dogma. much of it tries to play the devil worship card, which is most dishonest if there is no clear cut evidence. 60% or more masons in the police force in some places aint nothing...in denmark we have ca. 100% christians (and a few token muslims, hindus, masons, whatever), should i worry?

[KSigMason]

Quote:What is the purpose of Freemasonry, to make you a better man?

Some would say that Freemasonry is "a beautiful system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols." Men are taught to be charitable, to be just and true.

Quote:Also, why dont Freemasons like to share their hidden knowledge with the rest of us?

Freemasonry teaches men to be better and what lessons would anyone learn if they were just given out. We are a private organization. We instill many things into the Brothers and we expect loyalty/fidelity.

Quote:Lastly, if your in a Freemasonic Christian lodge, why dont you ever hear the word Jesus inside, but rather 'the Great Architect'?

Lodge's are not Christian or Jewish or Muslim. All Blue Lodges are just Lodges, their is no religious denomination attached to a Lodge. Lodges are non-denominational and the lessons taught within the Blue Lodge parrot this. Now when you join the York Rite, you must swear to defend the Christian religion and you do hear the Lord's name.

Quote:Freemasonry is very individual - you make of it what you will as an individual, you get out of it what you want to.

Very true statement.

Quote:After all, isn't it Masonic lodges in the states that are making a big push with scheme for parents to get their children sub dermally implanted? that surely doesn't exactly evoke a sense of confidence in the orders.

The Masonic CHIP (Child Identification Program) is not a implant program. We don't implant anything. All that happens is we take a picture, get the stats, fingerprints, and then it is printed off on a card. All the data on the computer is erased.

Quote:Im not convinced that Masonry is a good thing, theres too many holes im seeing. Look at the Antichrist eye they put on the dollar bill. Explain that.
Thanks to all who replied,
MG

The Dollar Bill is far from being proven to be created by the Freemasons. Even if the Dollar Bill was created by the Freemasons, the All Seeing Eye (not the Anti-Christ Eye) is a sign of God.

Quote:I have a last question for now. Dont Masons worship Jahbuhlon? Or Baphomet?

Brothers are taught to worship their own God of their religion.

Quote:Are you sure? Have you reached Scottish Rite 13th degree or equivalent?

The Scottish Rite has 33 degrees, but the Scottish Rite is only a branch. You can search "Structure of Freemasonry" and see a pictorial description, but I must respectively disagree with the portrayals. I describe the structure of Freemasonry as a tree. The main body, the trunk of the tree is the Blue Lodge. As with the tree trunk, the Blue Lodge is the largest versus the concordant bodies (ie the branches). From the trunk of the tree you have branches that sprout off. You have the various bodies: Scottish Rite, York Rite, Shriners, Grotto, Amaranth, and OES. You also have children organizations: DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Rainbow Girls.

It is a common error to think the Scottish Rite is above the Blue Lodge. While you hear of the 33rd degree, nothing surpasses the Master Mason degree. All the degrees and orders conferred by the various bodies are just additions to the 3rd degree, but not greater.

Quote:what do you think about the writings of Albert Pike, Stanteau?

They are peculiar writings, written in mystery that pertains only to the Scottish Rite.

Quote:what about the "Novus Ordo Seclorum"?

'Novus Ordo Seclorum' does not mean 'New World Order', but 'New Order of the Ages'. America was a new order of the age when the British Empire reigned.