Freemason questions

[plasticfan]

thanks nik. :)

Papal Condemnations of Freemasonry

http://www.destroyfreemasonry.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism...reemasonry
http://www.ewtn.combrary/ANSWERS/WHATMAS.HTM
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/sh....php?t=429

[stanteau]

Quote:thanks nik. :)

Papal Condemnations of Freemasonry

http://www.destroyfreemasonry.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism...reemasonry
http://www.ewtn.combrary/ANSWERS/WHATMAS.HTM
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/sh....php?t=429

That should improve the appeal of Masonry:)

[mastermg]

I think I understand Masonry much better now. Thanks yall.
The NWO is still real though, whether the Masons are affecting it or not.
I have a last question for now. Dont Masons worship Jahbuhlon? Or Baphomet?

[stanteau]

All I'm gonna say is your WAY off.

I don't doubt there was a time when being a Mason was a severely secretive thing and involved you in political intrigue and such, but that was then and this is 2008

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Now you've become a brother Stanteau,sorry but it occurs to me that you are a little giddy at finally seeing the inside... Surely, you don't suddenly get carte blanche to see the inner workings of the higher eschelons (like P2 for example) or what going on between the most elite members in the fraternity globally speaking. It's a question though..

[aiwass]

Quote:I have a last question for now. Dont Masons worship Jahbuhlon? Or Baphomet?

No.

[mastermg]

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Quote:I have a last question for now. Dont Masons worship Jahbuhlon? Or Baphomet?

No.

Are you sure? Have you reached Scottish Rite 13th degree or equivalent?

[aiwass]

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Quote:I have a last question for now. Dont Masons worship Jahbuhlon? Or Baphomet?

No.

Are you sure? Have you reached Scottish Rite 13th degree or equivalent?

Yes, I have. I could still be wrong since I've not reached the 33rd, but I'd still be mighty surprised to find there's a hidden godhead in the higher degrees and would have to question the point in keeping it/him hidden from so many.

[horseonwheels]

Quote:Now you've become a brother Stanteau,sorry but it occurs to me that you are a little giddy at finally seeing the inside... Surely, you don't suddenly get carte blanche to see the inner workings of the higher eschelons (like P2 for example) or what going on between the most elite members in the fraternity globally speaking. It's a question though..

Isnt it just a little too comfortable? To have a "secret society" right out in the open that people focus a whole lot of attention on just because the same organisations had a finger in the uproars of Europe/Us. The few confessions from influential people that reveal that lodges where used (abused rather), altso for the most part reveal that the masons themself, not knowing they were led by the nose, where upstanding men who saw tyranny and organised rebellion against it. Europe own much thanks to the individual mason from that era even if powers beyond their--and properbly our--grasp managed to turn the outcome to their advantage.

The elite clubs, the true elite clubs have moved away from masonry and seems to have fully embraced the ideas of modernism, pluralism, the whole plethora of bullshit "no god, im god" labels really, and if it (masonry) still attrackts socalled "usefull idiots" to the power that be, obviously it will be used as a recruting ground, but no more or less than any other organisation where middle class people of a certain mindset are to be found. The real secret societies of massive influence, you all know them, bilderberg, the wash of commisions may have masons as members (all of which are still controlled from above), but the organisations as such have nothing to do with masonry. If anything the intense focus on what is essentially knife and fork masonry are starting to make me suspect that they are only members of these kinds of lodges out of tradition and because it throws opposision off.
Am i to belive, seriously, that these people, the financiers of science, belive in molech, a diety summoned in the mind of men who were afraid of fire? They are as much knife and fork masons as the next guy, and if anything, ritual like the one at bohemian grove are just a reminder of why they are alite and we arent. They know something we dont, as did the priesthood of molech, of ra, of whatever... Thats all it is to them, the rest is eating nice dinners (outright heathonism) in the company of people you like.

It is too easy, where is the data. I hear the voices about higher powers in masonry of hidden councils, but where is the evidence?. So far most of the people who cry devil worship, are the same crowd that used to proclaim exactly the same thign while burning people (any opponent) at the stake, or disemboweled them, the creativity was practically endless but their intellectual credit is in surplus if you ask me:PTo them its all the same properbly. As long as people are wasting time with suspicion against loose organisations of religion and philosphy they dont spend it on trying to pinpoint the exact powers that be, and it remains an eathery pulp of "secret societies", "satan worship", "them", "they", instead of....that guy did it, that one there, this asshole, and....

[horseonwheels]

Seriously, it is getting on my nerves. In Denmark the masons are so desperate for new members that they have opened up more or less completely, and they have used whatever freinds they have in the media to make several news stories about people who join, in one of them they followed a young guy from his first meeting with them, all the way untill they closed the door for his initiation ritual. They even had a full 2 series doc, and there is still a complete overview and virtual tour of their primary temple. thats how desperate they are. In the minds of the young generation here they are just an odd old guys society. Have the money powers shown equally desperate attention cries? no, in fact i havent heard fucko about them anywhere, but i get to see the result of what they do on a daily basis, but still no names mentioned. I do however know the name of the highest ranking mason in denmark, his profession, what he looks like, even where he lives and how to contact him, because all these things are avaible on the lodges webpage with an "at your service".

http://www.dr.dk/Tema/frimurer/Rundt%20i%2...rundtilogen.htm virtual tour, i dont know if this works outside of denmark

[stanteau]

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Quote:The elite clubs, the true elite clubs have moved away from masonry

with all due respect, that statement is based on nothing more than your own personal opinion and not sourced by anything. That being the case, I'll just state my own unsourced opinion:

If one takes the UK as an example, you have masons in the public arena like Gordon Brown the prime minister all the way down (not that I suggest he is in any way the icing on the bun) to a hugley significant proportion of the police and armed services. Now if you are suggesting, present political climate of wardrumming and onus on creating a totally surveilled Orwellian nightmare of a society notwithstanding, that masons don't still retain a, much of the time corrupt, sphere of influence on the bureaucratic and political manuveures within society, be it at the behest of the "true elite clubs" or not - well, I'd say your being a bit softskulled about it.

I probably could find you a bunch of Catholic priests that were genuine people with good intentions and warm charitable hearts but it doesn't preclude the fact that many of their number are corrupt pedarasts does it?

Personally speaking, you really only have to look at the faces of some of these high rankers to see they aren't the benevolent philanthropic gents as you would claim them to be - subjective as it is, but there you are.

No, that statement is based on probably the same method my statements were, the fact that the lodges are all going broke and asking for money to pay bills and such, membership is slim to nil, and yes I have been to a Scottish Rite Reunion and ya know what? EVERYBODY there is a 32 degree and at least a quarter are 33rd, they're all just some normal Joes who bitch about having to fix their roof over Labor Day or miss posted meetings cause of graduations and shit, my point is NO ONE has mentioned one thing that we would consider "weird," I'm probably the "weirdest" dude there and the only time I ever mentioned "so when do I get to spit on a cross? *cheap giggle*" I got torn a new one and told if I did that I'd be excommunicated immediately.

To paraphrase HorseonWheels, 99% of the stuff you read and say about the Masons is made up, I firmly believe that, is/was P2 a primary operant that abused the workings of Masonry? No doubt about it, are there still these entities? I'm sure, just as South American cartels import heroine in churches and LAPD officers use high schools to drop off laundered money and so on and so forth, there will be a criminal element in all facets, with that said I'm sure broke ass Bill Schneoblin has paid his rent a few times off his little diddy he peddles as well.

All I'm saying is I was amazed at how open Masonry becomes after being raised and until you go through the same you won't really understand, it's much easier to read what some hack is selling and accuse people of stuff.

[stanteau]

With that said I would like to add that yes, Masonry claims to hold information regarding occult, ancient Hebrew, Templar, etc. that has origins in King Soloman's Temple, is that evil? I for one am greatly appreciative of the countenance to "losing information/techniques" but once again, I think I'm the only one inf my lodge who gives a shit about that stuff.

[stanteau]

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Quote:All I'm saying is I was amazed at how open Masonry becomes after being raised and until you go through the same you won't really understand, it's much easier to read what some hack is selling and accuse people of stuff.

Typical Stanteau statement. Adroit in it's condescension par excellance - you've been a freemason how long now? Your seemingly skirting the issue of the CHIP campaign a little:rolleyes:

I've been a member for almost a year now and I personally never heard one word about the CHIP campaign you speak of, did some lodge in the world have a campaign? I'm sure, as did probably a lot of personal businesses and I'd be willing to wager normal Joe churches as well, does that mean Masonry as a whole should be lumped in the pile?

Also, as stated Masonry news is easy to distort, what one lodge does can easily be forced on the whole when it simply doesn't apply because like I said, I never heard a single word about the campaign.

Quote:And as already said - THE AMOUNT OF POLICE IN THE UK that are freemasons defies anyone with a basic intellect and grasp of cause and effect, so misinterpret the societal influence this wannabe'old boy' network DOES have.

But is it bent on evil? That is the question

Quote:And those aren't the conclusions of "some hack". You just brush off P2 like it's not consequential to the debate! It appears that because you really like being a freemason that you have lost the ability to see the wood for the trees somewhat, in focusing on the issue beyond your own lodge and your new friends you probably want to stick up for - who's taking about them.

Did you read my last message? Of course there is criminal elements in most everything, I am not "brushing it off," I just don't see how that implies criminal activity in Toledo Ohio.

Quote:I have a close friend in the UK who's father is also in the scottish rite and they used to live in the outer Hebrides - he doesn't paint the same picture of a financially beleaguered group of innocents, let me tell you.

Please do tell me what he said, all I can do is share my experiences in contrast (and like I said I've been to a Scottish Right Reunion, start in York sometime this year)

I'm not arguing with you, but just stating the obvious, I haven't seen anything like this stuff since joining, and it's so easy to say "well your just not at blah blah blah level", I prefer to quote a 40 year member of my lodge, "I don't go for that 33rd degree bullshit, I earned it but it isn't shit, just a big pissing contest between some old-timers who think their in a gang, they still can't order me or you to do anything."

He's a cool dude, gave me my tux and also subsequently told me about "spitting on the cross" getting me kicked out.

[Guest]

Ever seen Brotherhood of the Bell Rose? It's on the tracker...;)

[TeslaandLyne]

Ahem.."never betray a trust".. any exceptions so the Illuminati don't come for rectification.

Last I heard of Leo after quiting the Illuminati or Masons or whatever, he was became a CIA agent.

We trust you to keep the Alien myth... once you come down from orbit you better say the walking
was easy and you saw UFOs that must be Alien intelligence controlled.

Take it from ex Navy Secretary of Defense Forestall, who Dulles kept on telling him the
defense budget did not have enough padding for the Alien hoax, refusing to put the Alien
hoax in his memoirs must have been offensive as finding real Nazi saucer hardware that
Patton found.

Not saying Forestall or Patton were Masons or in any secret group, just saying the Illuminati
must have control over one when Tesla technology for the UFO in involved.