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Antivigilante · 09-13-2008, 03:29 AM

Ok, everybody.

I am going to put out one idea at a time. Let's discuss these.

Before that, though, I'd like to talk about the proper process of engaging and evading the opposition (enemy is too strong, makes them seem like they're our cousins or something).

Defensive activism is the best policy, always. The media control violence. They can focus on one thing everywhere or attack many events in one interview. The New World Order looks at protests as entertainment and Never Forget, they make the violence, the immigration protests, the provocateuring, the smearing of peaceful activists. Protests are a necessary activity, but we must always keep a bird's eye view.

Preparation
Before any kind of action, look at the stage. That is where you will be seen. The walls and stage props are often up before you get there. It is your first responsibility, your first priority to control the stage. Make it your home turf. No matter what happens stay in Kansas, Dorothy. Don't let them pull you into Wonderland, Alice. Your anger should be concentrated into hot cheerful cutting angst. If you can't put yourself there, do something else. Wait until you are ready. Rest, relax, control your energy and make sure you have plenty of it. For God's sake, simplify your plans so that you do not waste energy on frustrations.

How to evade the opposition:

Evasion in this sense means your message is placed away from the target but points directly to the target. It means not jumping into the fire but pointing at it. For example if you want to protest the concentration camps you put up signs near the camps and you distribute information. By the way this is great tactic too because it turns the whole idea of free speech zones on its head. As long as people can see you, you can reach them. In fact, if you are away from the target, the target can't monitor you.

Free speech zones infringe on your rights. But they're also useful to you. The purpose of free speech zones is not to stop you from speaking out. It's worse. It's so they can pretend to most people that you do not exist, that there is nothing to see.

How to engage the opposition:

Again, engaging means resistance, not attacking. One example is what I do, and I would appreciate assistance with this. I have started mirroring websites of people who receive threats and who are harassed. I intend to release this information if anyone disappears or is attacked further.

Anyways, those are two ideas to start with. I have many more. We'll talk about protests as well.

Remember,
No violence for dummies.
No speeches for the deaf.
No proof for the blind.

Just active awareness and careful professional purposeful activism.

Civil enterprise!

ToddTraf · 09-13-2008, 04:03 AM

After watching the RNC08 nightmare unfold in many directions I started wondering what people can do to protest in the future. So I looked at what the problems are. The number one problem is being outgunned and under armored. The only way around all the incindiary devices they used and tasers would be soaking down with gas as a deterent from them using them. This could also be suicide/martyrdom and after much thought there is nothing you can do that can't be construed and twisted into some offense of conspiracy or terrorism (like the gas) punishable by arrest etc. So the best idea a friend and I could think up to counteract the new tactics against protests was to invite your grandma. If you know a person in a wheelchair that would be great too. The idea is for the protesters to be unable to run away or disperse due to the obvious limitations. Any tactics used against a group filled with grandmas would be ridiculus and excessive.

The other problem I noticed was one I've experianced in large paintball scenarios (3000+). Theres no solidarity. Everybody at the end of the day for the most part is only concerned with themselves. When the firefights start 75% of the people lose it and run like pussies. They're non lethal weapons (they're paintballs!). I get it these gestapo tactics hurt like hell, but they too are non-lethal. If protesters are going to stand up in this country from this point forward they may have endure major physical distractions during their plight. What happened to holding hands and making a roman wall or some shit. When I heard there was dump trucks and snowplows I said great let em try their own Tiananmen Square. Everybody runs instead. Where's the resolve?

I think a bring your grandma tactic is the only way.........

Antivigilante · 09-13-2008, 04:58 AM

Much of that is nothing but Roman Gladiator material. It has no effect. The point of a protest is to destroy the phony consensus that the people want what they're given. The fighting is complete dreamland. It has a predetermined plot that the opposition has rehearsed and they have no fear of it at all.

They fear information. Prove to people that fear is used against them.
They fear competition. Prove that you can produce better products than they can.
They fear disruption. Prove that they can't threaten their critics.

This is the fight.

The rest is theater.

Don't be a Sisyphus. Make your own rock and push it over the top.

Antivigilante · 09-13-2008, 05:03 AM

The grandma thing is funny though. But seriously the point of protests is to change the perception of acceptance. Violence entertains them. They love it when people get violent. They create fake groups to start violence.

If you want action, try this sometime.

Imagine how soon breast cancer would be cured if all women stayed in the house in the whole country for one day. Just imagine the shock.

Antivigilante · 09-13-2008, 05:09 AM

As for Tiananmen, there was a goal there to make a statement. The people were not attacking or freaking out. They wanted policies changed and they refused to budge until they changed.

The military was ordered to kill.

Here in the US what you have is a moving target. I'll have to think this through a bit more.

***April*** · 09-14-2008, 01:59 PM

i agree with your post entirely H M JS D...... very well put IMO.

my question is though...... once the greater masses are informed....... then what?

Quote:It means not jumping into the fire but pointing at it.

true, we can do this...... but a time may come when everyone realizes what we are pointing at......... yet the fire will still be burning! then what? sorry, i just like to plan ahead! :)

shZ · 09-21-2008, 11:09 PM

Quote:i agree with your post entirely H M JS D...... very well put IMO.

my question is though...... once the greater masses are informed....... then what?

Quote:It means not jumping into the fire but pointing at it.

true, we can do this...... but a time may come when everyone realizes what we are pointing at......... yet the fire will still be burning! then what? sorry, i just like to plan ahead! :)

Yeah, good luck convincing people... not going to happen. And yes, then what. Pointing at the fire won't make it stop burning. People subconsciously know they're fucking slaves to power, and they're also pacified living that way. Violence for as righteous cause takes balls, and people don't have any these days. Which is why I see all this as a big waste of time and energy. A lone vigilante would only be asking for a quick demise and to be perceived as a nutter who lost his mind.

Antivigilante · 09-22-2008, 03:24 AM

Quote:
Quote:i agree with your post entirely H M JS D...... very well put IMO.

my question is though...... once the greater masses are informed....... then what?

Quote:It means not jumping into the fire but pointing at it.

true, we can do this...... but a time may come when everyone realizes what we are pointing at......... yet the fire will still be burning! then what? sorry, i just like to plan ahead! :)
Yeah, good luck convincing people... not going to happen. And yes, then what. Pointing at the fire won't make it stop burning. People subconsciously know they're fucking slaves to power, and they're also pacified living that way. Violence for as righteous cause takes balls, and people don't have any these days. Which is why I see all this as a big waste of time and energy. A lone vigilante would only be asking for a quick demise and to be perceived as a nutter who lost his mind.

Violence is cointelpro.

That's why I keep saying no violence for dummies, no speeches for the deaf, no proof for the blind. There's a time for all those (except the violence) but you have to keep them from taking up most of your time.

I'm mirroring websites that are being threatened.

Antivigilante · 09-22-2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:
Quote:Violence is cointelpro.

now there's a blanket statement if ever there was one.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?s=...st&p=148079

Violence is the closest thing the media has to full blown gladiators and lions in the street.

How anybody who knows about WTO Seattle, the petrol bombs planted at G8, the FBI NAZI rally, can promote violence is beyond me.

They don't give a shit about your tantrums and black shirts, THEY HIRE BLACK SHIRTS. Violence is how we got here.

It's the PEOPLE who ARE BEGGING for SECURITY or DID you FORGET? Do you really think the people will join you because you say so? Do you think people will open up businesses in destroyed areas? Do you think starving people who lost their jobs because you wanna play Rambo will support you?

This isn't grand theft auto or fight club.

Tonight I'm opening a thread for mirroring websites that receive threats. Anyone else in?