Obama's use of Hypnosis and NLP in his speeches

[dicktater]

(09-29-2010 05:31 PM)capmtripps Wrote:  Also, anyone here familiar with Freeman? (blue fly productions, has a couple radio shows and blogs and videos and such) He plays the 'Yes we can' motto backwards and it sounds eerily similar to 'thank you satan'... any thoughts? Is this a blatant example of subconscious NLP?

How many other Alex Jones films have you seen? Terrorstorm? Endgame?

Have you watched the sequel to Obama Deception, called Fall of the Republic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU


Watch all parts of this:

Freeman - Obama, Cloning and the Sorcerers of Atlantis -

Part 1 starts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO7eOL-Hjg4

[Hans Olo]

(09-29-2010 10:59 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  About Richard Bandler. Seriously, stay away from that guy, do not promote him, do not listen to him and most definitely do not watch him. I strongly feel by evidence that came my way that Bandler employs his masterful use of NLP on the audience/listener in his lectures. His presentations are circulated widely and fairly freely on the web for a reason. He has a strong deny-God theme going on in them among other things.

You could say the exact same thing about Obama..

Except when listening to Bandler one can actually learn something about NLP. He came up with it. And of course Bandler uses his techniques on the audience. All the time. That's what they're for. He has also pointed that fact out many times. That is to be expected of a master hypnotist.

About the deny-god thing... what exactly are you saying? That he promotes Atheism? So what?

[FastTadpole]

Quote:You could say the exact same thing about Obama..

I don't listen to him either. As far as the deny God thing (actually it's more of a hate God thing), it was merely an example (the point was that he does it - not what he is trying to push) but he does embed commands. I'd just prefer to learn NLP from another source that doesn't intentionally attempt to manipulate my even though he is up front about it, he doesn't tell you when and where - maybe he's testing you - but there is little to resist this - everyone can be hypnotized. But the choice is yours and he is knowledgeable about the topic, as far as I know.

Quote:Except when listening to Bandler one can actually learn something about NLP. He came up with it.

NLP was around long before Bandler was and there were much more sophisticated techniques (see ancient Egypt - powdered gold).

Also:
Plato's Cave (animated version)




Drugs, hormones, chemicals, GMOs, GWEN, EM, microwaves, Television, maybe even bio-engineered (or not) parasites have taken this to a whole new level.

[capmtripps]

(09-29-2010 07:06 PM)dicktater Wrote:  

(09-29-2010 05:31 PM)capmtripps Wrote:  Also, anyone here familiar with Freeman? (blue fly productions, has a couple radio shows and blogs and videos and such) He plays the 'Yes we can' motto backwards and it sounds eerily similar to 'thank you satan'... any thoughts? Is this a blatant example of subconscious NLP?

How many other Alex Jones films have you seen? Terrorstorm? Endgame?

Have you watched the sequel to Obama Deception, called Fall of the Republic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU


Watch all parts of this:

Freeman - Obama, Cloning and the Sorcerers of Atlantis -

Part 1 starts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO7eOL-Hjg4

I'm very familiar with Freeman and listen to his stuff all the time. Thanks for the video link, I hadn't seen that one yet, although heard him discuss it extensively on many different broadcasts.

Just not a fan of Alex Jones anymore, although he definitely helped me along my way in beginning to think for myself about all these issues. I don't think he gets deep enough into anything and he's too jingoistic for my taste. Either you're with him or against him, and to be quite sure, I'll steer clear.

jingoist jin"go*ist, n.
One who is jingoistic; a bellicose patriot; an extreme
bellicose nationalist; an aggressive chauvinist.

jingoistic jin`go*ist"ic, a.
1. fanatically and bellicosely patriotic; aggressively
chauvinistic; belligerent in international relations.

Syn: chauvinistic, flag-waving(prenominal), nationalistic,
superpatriotic.
[PJC]

2. Given to expressing partisan sentiments in slogans,
especially belligerently patriotic views.
[PJC]

[Hans Olo]

(09-29-2010 10:32 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  I'd just prefer to learn NLP from another source that doesn't intentionally attempt to manipulate my

Fair enough, but the thing is, everybody manipulates you, knowing or unknowingly anyway. Talk to a girlfriend or a mother for one hour and you will see what I mean

Quote:NLP was around long before Bandler was and there were much more sophisticated techniques (see ancient Egypt - powdered gold).

I'll give you that. These techniques are very old, but Bandler and Grinder 'discovered' them, or let's say, were the first to having brought them to wide attention.

[FastTadpole]

Quote:Fair enough, but the thing is, everybody manipulates you, knowing or unknowingly anyway. Talk to a girlfriend or a mother for one hour and you will see what I mean.

I'll give you that - heck I'm trying to manipulate you into taking more discretion with Bandler. Point is keep your filters up - and be sure to reground yourself after a session. If you can garner more out of it than you give away you're ahead in the game. Really difficult to know for sure what you're taking in on all levels though.

Try not to use knowledge as a crutch for grounding perception. There is something much deeper than the mind and the mind can be tricked into projecting a false reality more easily than we are led to believe.

[capmtripps]

(09-30-2010 07:58 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  

Quote:Fair enough, but the thing is, everybody manipulates you, knowing or unknowingly anyway. Talk to a girlfriend or a mother for one hour and you will see what I mean.

I'll give you that - heck I'm trying to manipulate you into taking more discretion with Bandler. Point is keep your filters up - and be sure to reground yourself after a session. If you can garner more out of it than you give away you're ahead in the game. Really difficult to know for sure what you're taking in on all levels though.

Try not to use knowledge as a crutch for grounding perception. There is something much deeper than the mind and the mind can be tricked into projecting a false reality more easily than we are led to believe.

"There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophy."

"What all this adds up to is that basically from time immemorial we have been accustomed to lie. Or to express the matter more virtuously and hypocritically, in short, more pleasantly: we are much more the artist than we realize"

Both from Frederich Nietzsche.

We artfully use our minds to do what we can with perception. This by no means entails that our mind has successfully perceived all of that which is to be perceived, but we fill in the gaps if we're artful enough. Otherwise, they will be filled for us. Keep in mind here that hypocrite means an actor on a stage, at an etymological level. If we don't write the script, Obama or whatever cronies stand on the pulpit, will be more than happy to use Bandler's or Egyptian techniques to do so for us.

[bristopen]

(09-29-2010 09:12 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:  

(09-29-2010 10:59 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  About Richard Bandler. Seriously, stay away from that guy, do not promote him, do not listen to him and most definitely do not watch him. I strongly feel by evidence that came my way that Bandler employs his masterful use of NLP on the audience/listener in his lectures. His presentations are circulated widely and fairly freely on the web for a reason. He has a strong deny-God theme going on in them among other things.

You could say the exact same thing about Obama..

Except when listening to Bandler one can actually learn something about NLP. He came up with it. And of course Bandler uses his techniques on the audience. All the time. That's what they're for. He has also pointed that fact out many times. That is to be expected of a master hypnotist.

About the deny-god thing... what exactly are you saying? That he promotes Atheism? So what?

I think all of those guys who teach NLP seminars do use some weird techniques to persuade their audience. That's why they have to teach seminars, books and videos are not enough!

And about the deny-God thing, when you read his books Bandler appears to be a new ager, so...

[Hans Olo]

Yeah, I'm not a Christian so I don't care who denies their god. You spell god with a capital G so I guess it's different for you.