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~~---~~ · 01-05-2009, 08:36 PM

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mastermg · 01-05-2009, 09:13 PM

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See then, I guess im not the only oneB)
One thing I've learned though, dont rely on miracles. They will come when the time is right but only after a series of actions and events. I feel like we have to do something in order for something else to occur.

***Easy Skanking*** · 01-05-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:When God is on your side, nothing can beat you.

Quote:One thing I've learned though, dont rely on miracles.

You do see the dissonance here, don't you?

mastermg · 01-06-2009, 01:55 AM

Lol im not playing music here but God does not equal miracles. God provides miracles. So when the people become straight with God, God will help them out. For now, tis all a test.

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Personally, I'm not sure they'll ever be peace on this Earth but the amount of conflict that we have today certainly doesn't need to be so. It's their game and they are sick bastards..

I want to know MMG what you think of Mahmoud Ahmendinejad's claims about the Madhi..

mastermg · (This post was last modified: 01-06-2009 03:01 AM by mastermg.)

Quote:Personally, I'm not sure they'll ever be peace on this Earth but there certainly doesn't the amount of conflict that we have today certainly doesn't need to be so. It's their game and they are sick bastards..

I want to know MMG what you think of Mahmoud Ahmendinejad's claims about the Madhi..

Have some optimism, there will be peace on earth, not now but soon enough.
Ahmedinejad believes that we are near the end of days because of the chaos and attacks on Islam, something the Prophet (pbuh) predicted. Also, 80% of the minor signs of the last day have already happened, leaving 20% more to come and then the major signs (like the return of Jesus, the mahdi, the antichrist, etc.)
I did a quick search and found out that "Judeo/Christian/Islamic eschatology predicts an "end times" event where a Persian/Arab/Russian air coalition attacks Israel who responds with nukes. Ahmedinejad is deliberatly provoking a fight with Israel"
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_...ing_vollmer.pdf
Ahmedinejad predicts that this would happen when the 12th Imam comes, which seems likely to be soon given the conditions and circumstances of whats happening right now.
Although I dont believe in provoking Israel to bring change, I do believe what the hadiths say that Palestine will win in the end. I dont see how this is possible unless the Arab countries reform like the Ottoman Empire type of thing in the past. The rest is up to God.

Hope I answered your question, if not please ask.

Ed: Oh yeah, he also believes the Islamic revolution will spread out through the whole world. This is a distorted view of the truth. The truth is that Jesus will return and most people like the Christians and Muslims will follow him. But he comes after the antichrist to destroy it.
http://members.tripod.com/worldupdates/new...tes10/id105.htm

~~---~~ · 01-06-2009, 03:58 AM

Thanks for the link - it was a very interesting read.

Yes, I have another question - how do you perceive a place for people like me in your eschatological hopes? ie people who have no inclination whatsoever to align themselves with any monotheistic organised religion..

mastermg · (This post was last modified: 01-06-2009 07:01 AM by mastermg.)

Quote:Thanks for the link - it was a very interesting read.

Yes, I have another question - how do you perceive a place for people like me in your eschatological hopes? ie people who have no inclination whatsoever to align themselves with any monotheistic organised religion..

When the time has come, you will see the truth and probably act on it. Your an open-minded fellow like most here, im pretty sure if you see the antichrist melting at the sight of Jesus, you will know...

ps. i sound like a preacher, had to laugh at myself for that:P

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Quote:Thanks for the link - it was a very interesting read.

Yes, I have another question - how do you perceive a place for people like me in your eschatological hopes? ie people who have no inclination whatsoever to align themselves with any monotheistic organised religion..
When the time has come, you will see the truth and probably act on it. Your an open-minded fellow like most here, im pretty sure if you see the antichrist melting at the sight of Jesus, you will know...

ps. i sound like a preacher, had to laugh at myself for that:P

How would I know that wasn't an elaborate hoax in itself?

My main concern in all this is there are palpable leads to show that a vast eschatological psychological warfare operation is in the pipe in order to help facilitate the paradigm shift from old to new and I can't help but balk from the idea of joining in in accepting the inevitability of there needing to be a 'cleasing fire' or whatever in order for humanities' 'great leader' to be able to set foot on the stage.

There are some historical religious figures I admire greatly but..

it sounds like brainwash to me,sorry, no offence meant..

maybe 1000s of year old brainwash but nevertheless... I think the tpth play with us over such tracts of time that we can't even get a grasp of ourselves because we are constantly playing out their scripts through intention. How many times, I wonder.

I think Ahmendinejad is a dangerous freak, a medieval superstitious zealot and a NWO sociopath..

I don't buy the line that he is a voice standing up to Israel in the Arab world - as far as I can see he is an asset to them politically (israel).. and his desire to facilitate a religious war of messianic proportions no doubt appeals to the far rightwing kabbalist Jews who also want this anyway.

It would be better imo if we could work towards trying to better the situation without the belief that we must ultimately resort to more or less total war and reliance on an incarnate deity.

mastermg · 01-06-2009, 08:02 AM

Thats the main reason we are told in the Bible, Torah, and Quran not to put a time frame for things like miracles and end of days prophecy. Of coarse I did just that by claiming whatever will happen between now and 10yrs, but I tried to keep away from comparing the current situations and end of time prophecies. This is also where Ahmedinejad stands wrong religiously. Politically, hes just a puppet like the majority of world leaders.
Of coarse, im all for peace but the question is how?
I see you dont follow mainstream religion, but I would like to know why, you dont believe the words in the bible or the church or what?

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Quote:Thats the main reason we are told in the Bible, Torah, and Quran not to put a time frame for things like miracles and end of days prophecy. Of coarse I did just that by claiming whatever will happen between now and 10yrs, but I tried to keep away from comparing the current situations and end of time prophecies. This is also where Ahmedinejad stands wrong religiously. Politically, hes just a puppet like the majority of world leaders.
Of coarse, im all for peace but the question is how?
I see you dont follow mainstream religion, but I would like to know why, you dont believe the words in the bible or the church or what?

I see the OT as more of a historical text of the dim past compiled from different sources and reworked, so shrouded in mystery that it's hard to make sense of..but it's surely some interesting reading material lol

No, I don't believe in them so much - they are from a different time altogether and not relevant to my life. I know there are some beautiful and deep writings in all of these books but I could say the same of many non religious texts also.

I don't like the fact that the only woman to appear in the whole Quran is the 'virgin' Mary. I think there's something askew about that..sorry..

It's known that the basic monotheistic principle was decreed from the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaton and that the pre-existing concept of the trinity was gradually reworked back into this (then)new form. I'm not interested in following something just because some long dead pharoah said I must. you know what I mean?

I think people should be free to follow whatever description of spirituality them choose but the dogma puts me off.. I don't like the idea of being told from some indecipherable source in antiquity how I should live today. It occurs to me as being the ultimate in control programs.

I don't need all those rules in order to know basic right from wrong and respect for life.

And the church is a joke - no church can say anything about suffering and poverty whilst it has fat priests with even fatter bank accounts.

Small churches that serve their congregation and don't horde excess wealth and dictate conformity of course are not part on my condemnation here.

I see organised religion as causing more harm in the world than good and keeps people locked into formulas of appreciating creation that amount to often no more than lip service or dutiful and slavish routine with no real deeper truth. People pray themselves into states of trance all over the place but a trance can be many different states not all of them good for the individual.

I am against the NWO though;)

Also, just because I'm interested - and I surely don't want to fuck with your faith - it is yours and I respect that with all principle - but what do you think about ex-muslims? I ask because I have been reading the forum at http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk in the last week amongst other places and I would be interested to here your point of view as your religion is a obviously very important part of your identity.

mastermg · 01-06-2009, 08:48 AM

About that virgin Mary the only woman in the Quran,
1) The Quran only mentions important people like the prophets
2) Im pretty sure the pharoah's wife is mentioned in the story of Joseph as she was an important figuere
Also, I find Islam's teachings applicable in my life. I also dont believe the dos and donts of religion comes from nowhere. For example, God forbade drinking alcohol in the Quran. It turned out alcohol
is very bad for your brain, blood, and decision making skills. He forbade adultery, and I wouldnt want someone to fornicate with any of my family members.
I respect how you know your rights vs wrongs, but religion isnt only that. Worshipping is for our own good, God does not need it.

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forget about the Virgon mary thing - that's just my own prejuduce in that I think it can lead to bad dynamics in a society eg. women position in Saudi or Afghanistan under the Taliban or the amount of honour killings in Pakistan last year...

However, I don't see why we need a book of rules to know that adultery can have terrible consequences or that alcohol can mess with judgement and wellbeing

I like a drink though.. and a weed.. - but I'm wise to my limits after learning how to do it

And in terms of worshiping the beauty of creation and the marvel of us being here for personal beatify and inner peace - again why on Earth should one need a book to tell you to do it?

mastermg · 01-06-2009, 09:21 AM

You raise good questions... Im unable to explain. Ill leave that for someone like Hilly to comment further.

01-09-2009, 08:38 PM

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Quote:I just wanted say this, within now and 10 years, there WILL be a major war between the Muslims and the zionists. The arab countries WILL reunite to re-form the legendary Islamic Republic. We WILL win back all of Palestine, Israel will no longer exist, the US will weaken as the Islamic Republic gains power, and the finally peace on Earth will come. This is what I 100% truley believe and God willing, will happen.
P.S. I just came back from an intense protest in LA and im still hyped. Still this is what I believe and know will happen.
P.S.S. History repeats itself. For more info, http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli...aEAskTheScholar

I'd put more faith in the second coming of Christ and wiping everyone out, but *shrug* I'm just an infidel.:D
Well I believe in the second coming of Jesus too, I guess im an Infidel? Muslims accept the fact that he will come back, after being raised to heaven *alive*. However, I dont know the time frame of this, when it is going to happen.

I don't know either... my bible says Jesus will come like a thief in the night.... ie: when we least expect it. It can't be before the mark of the beast tho,, that much is certain.

I wouldn't call you an infidel.... heathen is the word. :P

Peace and Love bro...

Mike