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It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
02-18-2012, 09:36 PM
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It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
To me, it is up to evry single person, to change the system.
Mindless consuming is to support the system.
So take a stand, live simple lifes. ( it not easy at all my friends, I want this- I want that)
Get me right: evry human being (given the opportunity, some people dont have this choise) can help change the world.
Now I guess the word will be:, but if only I stop, its useless..........
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02-19-2012, 06:26 AM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
Alternately, one could decide on his or her own particular lifestyle choices and allow the rest to fall into place. Consuming, while feeding the same entities that rely on cash flow to define themselves, is a necessity to keep the economy going. Otherwise, we're back to farming and agriculture.

Some would say being agricultural is better, and others would disagree.

Rottenness exists everywhere, but in particularly high concentrations in corporate and government activities. Wouldn't it be better to hold them accountable by changing penalties for the abuse of humans, environment, etc.? In essence, to classify them (not the people) as second-rate entities?

I, for one, enjoy consuming stuff, but only stuff that I need. On the other hand, I know people who prefer "having stuff", rather than using it, and collect all sorts of junk along the way. These are the ones feeding the manufacturers: produce a piece of junk with a money-back guarantee which most people won't take advantage of, make lots of money, and move on to the next piece of junk.

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02-19-2012, 11:36 AM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-18-2012 09:36 PM)robocop54 Wrote:  To me, it is up to evry single person, to change the system.
Mindless consuming is to support the system.
So take a stand, live simple lifes. ( it not easy at all my friends, I want this- I want that)
Get me right: evry human being (given the opportunity, some people dont have this choise) can help change the world.
Now I guess the word will be:, but if only I stop, its useless..........

You are right that every human can change the world, but wrong that if only you stop it is useless.

Every human can change their world.

If you stop consuming crap you don't need, the change in your world will be significant, and serve as an example to others. Doing so may not break the system, but it will break the hold the system has on you.

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02-19-2012, 11:18 PM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
Empowerment is the key, and everyone should realize that their decisions beyond voting make a difference. the grand ¨experiment¨ that is ¨democracy¨ has been perverted into people thinking that they only have certain avenues that they´re ¨given¨ to change things, like voting for puppets. it was the same in the Roman gladiator arena - give them the choice about which character deserves life, and they think they have control, when they become slaves themselves by participating in the propaganda that keeps them subservient. I have more to say about this, and I intend to tomorrow, but I´ve got a limited battery and time today. Thanks for broaching the subject.

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02-20-2012, 12:24 PM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
"The system"

I always ask "what system?"

I dont want to destroy what humanity has built up over millennia because someone is taking advantage of our "system". Hmm my child has become a little bastard after I haven't been keeping an eye on him. what's the solution? I know I will kill him and just have another... start again yes?

This will not change a bad parent. a "system" works perfectly well until someone uses it. WE are the parent of this, we are behaving like bad parents while our children run about taking what they like and not giving back.
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02-20-2012, 01:14 PM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-20-2012 12:24 PM)rsol Wrote:  "The system"

I always ask "what system?"

I dont want to destroy what humanity has built up over millennia because someone is taking advantage of our "system". Hmm my child has become a little bastard after I haven't been keeping an eye on him. what's the solution? I know I will kill him and just have another... start again yes?

This will not change a bad parent. a "system" works perfectly well until someone uses it. WE are the parent of this, we are behaving like bad parents while our children run about taking what they like and not giving back.

system: here meaning the economic system.
we now have a system where it can be good buisness to produce all kinds of shit, that are not really needed, so we have a big inustry, just for creating need for all these things.
We all have one basic need: food. Nowhere in the western economy, food can be produced without beeing subsidied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy
To mee that is total madnes
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02-22-2012, 01:24 PM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-18-2012 09:36 PM)robocop54 Wrote:  To me, it is up to evry single person, to change the system.
Mindless consuming is to support the system.
So take a stand, live simple lifes. ( it not easy at all my friends, I want this- I want that)
Get me right: evry human being (given the opportunity, some people dont have this choise) can help change the world.
Now I guess the word will be:, but if only I stop, its useless..........


I couldn't agree more. The U.S. Government has control over every single one of us.. and some people don't even see it that way, which is sad, very sad.

Take the recent movie "Act of Valor" that supposively has main characters from active duty from one of the Seals Special Ops teams.. thats nothing more than propaganda thats been created by the government in hopes to bring in more money for themselves. That money thats made from that movie.. isn't going to be used to help support important things.. like job creation, road development and repairs.. and so on. It's nothing more than the U.S. Governments way of trying to get you, the consumer, to give them your money. We give the government ENOUGH of our money you guys! We work hard for that money too!

I'm currently working on my own article.. that explains that there is indeed something coming our way America.. and when I release this article, the truth will come out.. and the proof that will be contained in my article will expose the absolute truth of whats to come.

Not only that, but I can't stand those people out there that say that they have "Debunked" Nibiru and this and that and so on.. they haven't debunked ANYTHING! Nibiru is REAL America! NASA discovered it back in 1983 and has known about its existance ever since! Why the hell do you think that, GOOGLE-SKY; WikiSky; World Wide Telescope and all those other 'sky' programs have blocked out the coordinates of Nibiru!?! It's to hide it from the American public so that we don't panic.. and also so that we can't track its position!!! I mean, seriously.. how ignorant does one person have to be.... not to be able to see the signs that there is something going on?!?!

Anyhow, my article will also include a picture that clearly shows Nibiru and its current position in space. In the picture, you'll be able to see partially behind the "black box" that the U.S. Government and NASA have ordered to be put in place over Nibiru's position in the sky. The picture, which you can CLEARLY see the blacked out box position directly over Nibiru.. proves that they're indeed hiding something. It's not a freaking "glitch" either.. it was intentionally placed there to hide Nibiru's position from amateur astronomers and the general public from viewing it. However, again, in the picture that will be placed in my article.. you can still see the edge of Nibiru.. and you can also see the magnificent and brilliant energy of light that its putting out because the black box doesn't cover Nibiru completely.. as I just said, you can still see that there's something there.

Anyhow, I'm still working on the article.. and expect it to be released to all 2012 forums within the next 2 to 3 weeks from today. Trust me people.. my article will be filled with facts.. not lies.. and will def. be worth your time to read and check out for yourselves.

I'm not one of these "fear mongers" out here trying to scare people with false information and lies... that's the last thing I would want to do.. the only thing I'm trying to do.. is to get those "non believers" to see with their own eyes.. the facts and lies behind Nibiru and how NASA and the U.S. Government ordered WikiSky, GoogleSky, World Wide Telescope and others.. to block out the image.

Anyhow, thanks for your time and thanks for listening (those who did read this..).
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02-22-2012, 07:10 PM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-22-2012 01:24 PM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  Not only that, but I can't stand those people out there that say that they have "Debunked" Nibiru and this and that and so on.. they haven't debunked ANYTHING! Nibiru is REAL America! NASA discovered it back in 1983 and has known about its existance ever since! Why the hell do you think that, GOOGLE-SKY; WikiSky; World Wide Telescope and all those other 'sky' programs have blocked out the coordinates of Nibiru!?! It's to hide it from the American public so that we don't panic.. and also so that we can't track its position!!! I mean, seriously.. how ignorant does one person have to be.... not to be able to see the signs that there is something going on?!?!

Anyhow, my article will also include a picture that clearly shows Nibiru and its current position in space. In the picture, you'll be able to see partially behind the "black box" that the U.S. Government and NASA have ordered to be put in place over Nibiru's position in the sky. The picture, which you can CLEARLY see the blacked out box position directly over Nibiru.. proves that they're indeed hiding something. It's not a freaking "glitch" either.. it was intentionally placed there to hide Nibiru's position from amateur astronomers and the general public from viewing it.

Why are you relying on NASA etc. when you could just use your own telescope?

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02-23-2012, 12:26 AM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-19-2012 11:18 PM)h3rm35 Wrote:  Empowerment is the key, and everyone should realize that their decisions beyond voting make a difference. the grand ¨experiment¨ that is ¨democracy¨ has been perverted into people thinking that they only have certain avenues that they´re ¨given¨ to change things, like voting for puppets. it was the same in the Roman gladiator arena - give them the choice about which character deserves life, and they think they have control, when they become slaves themselves by participating in the propaganda that keeps them subservient. I have more to say about this, and I intend to tomorrow, but I´ve got a limited battery and time today. Thanks for broaching the subject.
sorry I didn´t get back sooner, been busy and banking on other´s wifi and business hours, but this was kinda my point:

Consumerism - the decision to barter or purchase those things you can´t manufacture on your own - is not in itself an ignorant or evil pursuit. It is what created ¨society¨ or ¨community¨. Now I know that some people think that community = communism = the shit that most of the world is trying to recover or escape from. That´s not the case. Because of the proganda of the cold war, people equate the concept of communism with fascism, but they are not inexoriably intertwined. Fascism is the true cause of suffering in the world today, and the ideology of fascism is the true cause of the worlds problems as they exist today - Oligarchy, Globalism, ruling classes that cannot be defined and therefore unassailable because of a lack of borders, are in fact the offshoots of both ¨Communist¨ and ¨Capitalist¨ perversions that have their roots in the ideology of Fascism. When you think ¨Big government and big business have come together to overtake the average citizens best interest,¨ that´s not Socialism, it´s not Communism, it´s FASCISM, pure and simple, and every government in the developed world has its corporeal function strangled by fascism´s tennets. The mindless, crushing grip of profit for the benefit of those at the top of the ¨citizen¨ corporations is, (and has been,) strangling all governments´ ability to safegaurd it´s citizen´s welfare. This is the ultimate dream of Fascists, but because of its ¨tainted¨ reputation by Mousollini´s association with Nazi Germany, its been given a new name. Its new name is the prefix ¨Neo¨ before the name of established political groupings. Neo is a twist of nuvo, which as most people know, is a latin precursor of the word ¨new¨.

Anyone have a dollar bill handy? ¨Ordis Seclorum¨ ring a bell?

Many might have some idea what I´m talking about - the ¨neo liberals¨ deruglated the banks, then the ¨neo conservatives¨ manufactured the wars that created the GEO-political mess we´re in now. The devisive struggles - foriegn wars and economic, domestic strife were the staging ground for the false polarity and aggitation that needed to be created in order to set the population against itself so that it will finally decide it needs the Fascists to create order to ¨keep them safe.¨ In truth of fact, it will mean the death or imprisonment of those ready to fight to keep from becoming a totally enslaved mass of fear-programmed automatons.

The nations´ governments, undercut by robber-barrons behind usary and fiat currency; spurred forward by the Military Industrial Complex, (often, if not always headed by the same people,) have been experimenting with this for decades through ¨public¨ media propaganda, and ¨basic training¨ of their armed forces, breaking and brainwashing citizens with the best intentions (for the most part,) until they become mindless drones piloted by the officials who are sure that they are the best and the brightest, when they too are programmed to think as much, and at the same time they´re also being programmed to follow orders. whose orders? the ¨Commander in Chief?¨ We all know that´s a bunch of bullshit. the politicians are busy looking at poll numbers and making choices about how best to distract the citizens from paying attention to the fact that the people who are in charge are the ones holding EVEN THEMSELVES in slavery while they use a fantasy ¨money¨ scheme to keep everyone beliving that they´re actually valued, not owned. Every person that doesn´t feel as if they´re above ¨the law,¨ however, knows, deep down that they are worth more than their wage-slave salary. Even many that think that they´re untouchable are still, in fact, slaves. %99.99 find discomfort with their position, and either desire to climb higher than their supervisor because they feel undervalued, or they hate the fact that they have to participate in the charade at all and seek to distract themselves from the reality that they´re whores. while they´re not actually directly whoring themselves out or crushing innocent (consciously, at least,) people, they ignore their circumstances and their subconscious unease by consuming the products of other slaves and whores.

This is either the prism or spectrum through which we must examine conumerism, (though because I´m not objective, there´s no way for me to know which is the proper analogy.)

When I say that empowerment is the key, I guess a better way to define it is to state that one must examine who they chose to empower through what they choose to consume. I´ll go ahead and paraphrase my opening statement with a bit more clarity now: the fact that we consume the products of other´s labor is both that which can create security, and that which can condemn us to slavery. The key is to examine the supply chain, and what the practices of the manufacturer are. If one´s too intelectually lazy or too bound to covenience to do so, then perhaps they´re actually the manufacturers of their own chains?

The best way I can see to get around this is what I belive to be the initial poster´s argumental crux - simplify the supply chain of the goods you choose to consume. If you don´t know what it took to create that which you use, and you have ethical issues with the society that you ¨contribute¨ to, chances are, you´re actually laying its foundation for those activities that defeat your spirit.

buy locally produced or second hand goods. Make the effort to research companies with ethical practices that they´re not afraid to show you first-hand, should you ask. Educate yourself and make informed decisions rather than letting covenience and cost dictate your reality. The Fascists depend on ignorance, lies, exhaustion, and their inevitable product - the need to turn away from it all - in order to continue their dominance.

we´re all better than this, and we all have, (at least,) the strength left that we use to carry on being slaves. We can use this strength and find more of it through the action of subverting the paradigm of dominance. When we turn our heads in disgust from our situation so that we can continue on with our lives without blowing our brains out, we can focus on what surrounds us. It´s more than choosing not to be blinded by the flashing, shiny, or temporarily comforting grip darknees in the periphery created by the horse-blinders intended to keep us focused on the ladder to the lemming cliff. We need to stop lookig at the mindless gladiator spectacle of death, or the pre-scripted ¨reality¨ program designed to make us think that life as it is today, in this quagmire, is more interesting and more ¨free¨ than it´s actually become. Self-empowerment is a myth, and one that the so-called ¨mystery schools,¨ modern ¨Gnostics,¨ occultists, freemasons, Quabbalists, psychologists, etc. have used (many times unknowingly,) for decades to trap ascedant thinkers and stategists and focus them toward the ends evnvisioned by the Fascists - either to aid in the rise of Fascist ideology or to catch them up into thinking that the common masses are too unintelligent or are in some other way unfit to digest their ¨pearls¨ of wisdom.

When we look away in horror or sadness (even subcosciously,) from the human condition today, it can´t be toward the ground in shame or toward the enigma of distractions of the products of our own slavery - We must now catch eacother´s gazes and find our similarities, our common thoughts, desires and abilities... as well as our differences. We need to understand that we´re all in the same boat and that our differences aren´t something to be feared or hated, but embraced and fostered. Consumerism is, in essence, the practice of action through which we find value in other´s inventiveness, ability, or understanding that we know we cannot claim as our own, and in turn validate the other´s existence. We simply need to begin to demand respect for those traits in others as much as we value our own.

We need to start consuming the products created by those whose creativity, values AND values we respect, and we´ll begin the next evolution of the abolitionist movement, but this time it´l be the majority that will be freed.

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02-23-2012, 03:45 AM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-22-2012 07:10 PM)yeti Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 01:24 PM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  Not only that, but I can't stand those people out there that say that they have "Debunked" Nibiru and this and that and so on.. they haven't debunked ANYTHING! Nibiru is REAL America! NASA discovered it back in 1983 and has known about its existance ever since! Why the hell do you think that, GOOGLE-SKY; WikiSky; World Wide Telescope and all those other 'sky' programs have blocked out the coordinates of Nibiru!?! It's to hide it from the American public so that we don't panic.. and also so that we can't track its position!!! I mean, seriously.. how ignorant does one person have to be.... not to be able to see the signs that there is something going on?!?!

Anyhow, my article will also include a picture that clearly shows Nibiru and its current position in space. In the picture, you'll be able to see partially behind the "black box" that the U.S. Government and NASA have ordered to be put in place over Nibiru's position in the sky. The picture, which you can CLEARLY see the blacked out box position directly over Nibiru.. proves that they're indeed hiding something. It's not a freaking "glitch" either.. it was intentionally placed there to hide Nibiru's position from amateur astronomers and the general public from viewing it.

Why are you relying on NASA etc. when you could just use your own telescope?


I have my own telescope. However, I don't have the digital camera adapter thing that I need in order to take pictures with it. And right now, with being jobless for the past year or so.. I can't really afford any "extra" things at the moment. So, I kinda have to rely on government telescopes.. it sucks, but it is what it is.
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02-23-2012, 08:26 PM
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(02-23-2012 03:45 AM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  I have my own telescope. However, I don't have the digital camera adapter thing that I need in order to take pictures with it. And right now, with being jobless for the past year or so.. I can't really afford any "extra" things at the moment. So, I kinda have to rely on government telescopes.. it sucks, but it is what it is.

Can you see Nibiru with your telescope?

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02-23-2012, 11:55 PM
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(02-23-2012 08:26 PM)yeti Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 03:45 AM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  I have my own telescope. However, I don't have the digital camera adapter thing that I need in order to take pictures with it. And right now, with being jobless for the past year or so.. I can't really afford any "extra" things at the moment. So, I kinda have to rely on government telescopes.. it sucks, but it is what it is.

Can you see Nibiru with your telescope?

Yes this is what Yeti was getting at, can ordinary people see Nibiru with their telescopes? Some amateurs have very powerful telescopes. Surely that government cant place a black-box in the sky blocking the view? Or can they?
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02-24-2012, 11:46 PM (This post was last modified: 02-24-2012 11:54 PM by exusgovemployee.)
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(02-23-2012 08:26 PM)yeti Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 03:45 AM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  I have my own telescope. However, I don't have the digital camera adapter thing that I need in order to take pictures with it. And right now, with being jobless for the past year or so.. I can't really afford any "extra" things at the moment. So, I kinda have to rely on government telescopes.. it sucks, but it is what it is.

Can you see Nibiru with your telescope?

Oh, I apologize Yeti. I thought you were asking me if I had the proper equipment to take pictures from my own telescope. Sorry about that Yeti.

To answer your question, I cant see it with my personal telescope, as mine isn't powerful enough to see it. However! My neighbor who lives a few houses down from me, he has one that is powerful enough and just a few weeks ago he told me that he was able to spot what he believes is indeed Nibiru. I didn't think it was possible, because you would need the correct filters and this and that to be able to see it and get a clear image of it. Well, boy was I wrong about that. I should've never doubted the man because he showed me a picture he took with his.. that CLEARLY shows Nibiru.

He and I get together 2 nights a week now. Either in my backyard or his.. and we'll usually use his telescope, since mine isn't all that powerful.. but his is.

I shit you not.. I have a picture of what he and I both believe, is without any doubt... Nibiru. The bad part is.. is that even with his powerful telescope, its still hard to makeout EXACTLY what it is.. but he and I both have concluded that it must be Nibiru.. what else could it be?!

If anyone is interested in seeing this image, by all means, check it out for yourselves and judge for yourself.. as to what the heck it could be, other than Nibiru.
Here's the URL for the image: Picture of Nibiru taken from Orion Telescope


and for all the 'naysayers' that still don't think Nibiru indeed exists - I have loads of proof saying that it does... including the original newspaper article (front page article) that clearly states "Mystery Heavenly Body found By Oribiting Infared Telescope" (aka IRAS satellite). They've known about it ever since 1983 people. It's time for you naysayers to stop being so narrow-minded and ignorant... and realize that the government and NASA are indeed hiding something from the public.

If you can't put together all the bits and pieces of FACTS that are actually available to us (the public)... then you need to find a different hobby.. other than trying to debunk that Nibiru exists.. because people like me, you cannot and will not change my mind about it existing. Why else would NASA say that they found it years ago.. and then start a 'disinformation campaign' in order to try and cover their ass about it??! I mean, again.. the proof that it was found and that it exists is there.... you just have to be able to see the clues and facts that NASA, GOOGLE, WIKISKY, WORLDWIDE TELESCOPE, GOOGLESKY, and the U.S. Government have been trying to hide all these years. If you know where to look.. you can find correct information on the subject.

So again, I have plenty of proof that it exists.. and if anyone would like for me to share with them all the proof that I have, I have absolutely no problem with sharing that information with you.

Thanks and have a great day everyone.
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02-25-2012, 02:00 AM
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RE: It's simple: Stop consuming,brakes down the system
(02-24-2012 11:46 PM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  I have a picture of what he and I both believe, is without any doubt... Nibiru. The bad part is.. is that even with his powerful telescope, its still hard to makeout EXACTLY what it is.. but he and I both have concluded that it must be Nibiru.. what else could it be?!

(02-24-2012 11:46 PM)exusgovemployee Wrote:  If anyone is interested in seeing this image, by all means, check it out for yourselves and judge for yourself.. as to what the heck it could be, other than Nibiru.
Picture of Nibiru taken from Orion Telescope

From the image you provided, it could be anything.

What exact location in the sky is Nibiru? Can you take pictures of the object showing movement against the background please?

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