Whining about Jews

[Dunamis]

(01-23-2012 02:48 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  But it's all in the name of protecting us from those evil whiteys who have no right to complain about the country they built being overrun by hordes of illegals let loose by the Jews.

Just as I'd posted something concerning the 500 nations that were already in the America's when us whites went there...

"the country they built", lol. You mean the big ass system of control, ever improved since 1776

Shhh, else someone will come in with some evidence that in fact the Jews and other Bankers built America...then you're whole argument comes tumbling down. Where is JewBlow when you need him...

[Negentropic]

Who started this thread? The invisible 'truth seeker' from space? Why is the very first post a friggin response to a non-existent beginning or even a link to what it was a response to ? If you're going to call all the Jew-wise people here whiners, why so afraid to provide a link to what started the whine?

Quote:Just as I'd posted something concerning the 500 nations that were already in the America's when us whites went there...

"the country they built", lol. You mean the big ass system of control, ever improved since 1776

It doesn't matter who was here first or who wasn't. That argument is absurd. Where do you think the theory of property derives from? Two people on the same 300 acre land. They split the land in half. One guy is hunting to survive on his side. The other sows his seeds, works his land, waits and gets a TON of crop. The guy who's still hunting has no right to any of this since he didn't do shit but hunt, just like the farmer has no right to the hunter's hunt. However, since the farmer's brain and effort has produced so much more than he needs, he can now do many things: trade crops to the hunter for meat and furs, trade a lot of crops to the hunter for a part of his land and therefore OWNING more property through the sweat of his labor. If the hunter tries to fuck with him and take shit that doesn't belong to him, the farmer can give some of his crops to other hunters in return for kicking the unruly hunter's ass and TAKING his land. If the farmer is not an especially friendly and peaceful man, he might decide to fuck with the hunter himself and take his land, since his superior riches now give him an advantage. However, most of the time it would be to his advantage to trade with the hunter since he does not engage in hunting but in farming and it's not like war and ass-kicking is not costly and dangerous a lot of the time.

That's where the theory of property comes from. He who works it best in an honest fashion, owns it. End of story. There is no right of 'first come' ownership if you just sit and shit on a piece of land. There is no right of savagery or any number of warring savage tribes to an entire wilderness to enjoy for hunting. If there was such a right, then no countries would have ever been built and no civilizations developed, period.

The majority white Christians in this country, built the country regardless of whether stolen European Jew finance was funding it secretly behind the scenes or not. The honest effort of building a whole country by the sweat of your labor does not get cancelled out by a bunch of Jew financiers being discovered to have been the secret string-pullers with stolen loot in the background.

That said, I'm not for ANY immigration restrictions except on medical and criminal grounds, as long as you have a free economy and free movement of labor. If you don't want people you consider culturally inferior and / or dangerous to infest your area and culture, don't hire them and don't associate with them, whether legal or illegal, move away from them and shoot at them if they try to invade your property.

The current situation of a deliberately depressed economy coupled with fully-encouraged massive illegal immigration invasion despite laws on the books against it, does not allow that freedom of movement necessary. Therefore, frustrated whites have every right to be frustrated with their country being overrun and THEY, not being able to do anything about it except move further and further into the woods and losing more and more standard of living.

If you don't even have the right to the products of your own honest labor then you don't have anything. If you don't believe there is such a thing as honest labor because evil and crime has always been intermingled with it in differing degrees from the beginning then you're a naive fool. Whatever good in spirit or body exists in the entire world is the product of two things and only two things: The freedom of the individual's mind to think for itself and the intelligence gathered by freedom of thought applied to honest labor, the most important of these intellectual labors being the creation of a system of law and order that protects the hard-thinking & hard-working individual and the superior products of his labor against hordes of lazy fucks and free-loading, dumb-ass half-wits who create little but envy and want much. When Christian charity for those less fortunate or gifted gets institutionalized to a certain degree, in a rational manner through government you have European socialism, which leaves itself wide open to infection and rot through its extreme form: Jewish Marxism. Once the diseased form of Bolshevism spreads, the surgical knife of Fascism comes in and cuts the cancer out in order to restore a healthy system.

Outside of fascism or National Socialism which was the guardian of European socialism built on rational charity to the nation, everything else called 'socialism' is frggin Marxism and Bolshevism in a new disguise, seeking to destroy and loot the whole structure from within and behind the scenes. So sign up for your membership in the Obama Bin Biden Insert-douchebag-British-leaders-names-here communitarian party. Onward to the Gulags.




Bakunin on Marx and Rothschild

“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.

This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”

Source: Michael Bakunin, 1871, Personliche Beziehungen zu Marx. In: Gesammelte Werke. Band 3. Berlin 1924. P. 204-216. [My translation - UD].




The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today


by Elizabeth Dilling


http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/whois.html


I.
THE PHARISEES, THE TALMUD,
AND MODERN JUDAISM


http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt01.html


II.
THE TALMUD REVILED


http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt02.html


III.
THE TALMUD AND BIBLE BELIEVERS

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt03.html


IV.
JUDAISM — ANTI-GENTILISM
AND EXPLOITATION OF NON-JEWS

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt04.html


V.
TALMUDIC IMMORALITY, ASININITY AND PORNOGRAPHY:
THE REPROBATE MIND

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html


XI.
JEWS AND MARXISM —
SOCIALISM — COMMUNISM

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html


XII.
THE JEWS AND THE COMMUNIZATION OF RUSSIA

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt12.html


XIII.
MODERN JEWISH “ANTI-COMMUNISM”

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt13.html



Elizabeth Dilling at her sedition trial 1944

Quote: wiki entry
As debate raged about whether the U.S. should get involved in World War II, Dilling became an activist in two organizations inspired by the antisemitic Detroit-based radio priest Father Charles Coughlin: Mothers' Peace Movement, which she co-founded with Lyrl Clark Van Hyning, and We the Mothers Mobilize for America, based in Chicago.

http://iamthewitness.com/archive.php?dir...oughlin%2F

he was also involved with the America First Committee, famously associated with Charles Lindbergh, Norman Thomas, Frank Lloyd Wright, and other prominent isolationists and opponents of the war.

After the Pearl Harbor attack, Dilling was indicted, along with 28 others, which led to the Great Sedition Trial of 1944.[1] The case finally ended in a mistrial after the death of the presiding judge, Edward C. Eicher. The Chicago Tribune editorialized on the trial as "one of the blackest marks on the record of American jurisprudence".[1] The Smith Act under which the prosecution took place was later found to be unconstitutional in several rulings by the Supreme Court.

THE NAMELESS WAR by Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay


http://iamthewitness.com/books/index.php....Ramsay%2F


The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed


http://iamthewitness.com/books/index.php...as.Reed%2F

Quote:http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWs...htm#source


Scalping


v Primary Sources v

The removal of the skin covering the top of a person head during or after a battle dates back to the Scythians (c. 400 BC). The Visigoths also took scalps during the wars with the Anglo-Saxons in the 9th century. When the Europeans first visited America they observed that the Huron, Chichimec, Iroquoi and Muskhogean tribes scalped enemy warriors. The Spanish administrator of Mexico, Francisco de Garay, reported in 1520 of seeing the "cutting of the skin off the entire head and face, with hair and beard". However, there is no evidence that the majority of Native American tribes at this time were involved in scalping.

In 1688, the French-Canadians began paying for every enemy scalp. This encouraged the emergence of groups trying to make a business out of scalping settlers. The British responded in 1693 by announcing that they would pay money for the scalps of Frenchmen and their Indian allies. As much as £100 was obtained for an important scalp.

In 1777, Jane McCrea,

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWmcCrea.htm

the fiancée of a soldier serving with General Burgoyne's army, was captured by Indians allied to the British. Then during a dispute between two warriors, Jane was scalped. General Burgoyne did not punish the guilty men for fear of breaking the alliance with that tribe. This decision enraged local Americans and many men now joined in the struggle against the British. It was later claimed that the death of Jane McCrea greatly aided the rebel cause and contributed to the defeat of Burgoyne's army at Saratoga. The incident continued to be used as propaganda against the English and the story was immortalized by John Vanderlyn's painting, The Death of Jane McCrea, in 1804.


This policy of scalping spread to the Americans during the 19th century and they paid bounties for the scalps of troublesome tribes such as the Apache.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWapache.htm

The idea of scalping as an act of revenge was adopted by the Plains tribes during the Indian Wars.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWplains.htm


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWindianwars.htm




The Death of Jane McCrea by John Vanderlyn (1804)


The scalp was usually taken from a dead enemy. Pierre Pouchot saw soldiers being scalped in about 1760: "As soon as the man is felled, they run up to him, thrust their knee in between his shoulder blades, seize a tuft of hair in one hand and, with their knife in the other, cut around the skin of the head and pull the whole piece away." Some warriors gained status by scalping a man during combat. This involved making a knife incision around the scalp lock and pulling the hair back very quickly. Although extremely painful, being scalped alive was not always fatal.

A full-scalping would often lead to serious medical complications. This included profuse bleeding, infection, and eventual death if the bone of the skull was left exposed. Death could also occur from septicemia, meningitis or necrosis of the skull.

The fashion of head shaving, except for a small lock of hair, on the crown of the head, developed amongst the Plains Indians.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWplains.htm

This hair covered about two inches in diameter and therefore only a minor wound would result from being scalped. However, it was a great insult for a Native American to be scalped while still alive. For example, the Arikara tribe would treat a scalped warrior as an outcast.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWarikara.htm

Native American tribes used scalping to persuade Americans from abandoning the idea of taking their land. Nelson Lee was unlucky enough to captured by the Comanche tribe.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWleeNelson.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWcomanche.htm

"During all the time they were thus exhibiting the result of their savage work, they resorted to every hideous device to inspire us with terror. They would rush toward us with uplifted tomahawks, stained with blood, as if determined to strike, or grasp us by the hair, flourishing their knives around our heads as though intending to take our scalps. So far as I could understand their infernal shouts and pantomime, they sought to tell us that the fate which had overtaken our unfortunate companions not only awaited us, but likewise the whole race of the hated white man. All the dead, without exception, were scalped and the scalps, still fresh, were dangling from their belts."

After the battle had finished the warrior would clean and dry the scalp. Thomas Gist witnessed this while he was being held prisoner. "The men began to scrape the flesh and blood from the scalps, and dry them by the fire, after which they dressed them with feathers and painted them, then tied them on white, red, and black poles".




v Primary Sources v

(1) Travels in New France by J. C. B (1760)

http://www.amazon.com/Travels-In-New-Fra...B000H412OW

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/1998/scalping.html

"this horrible custom was practiced by these savages alone, and sprang from their own barbarism, for it seems never to have existed in any other nation, not even among nations, who, like them, have never received any idea of civilized life."2

"When a war party has captured one or more prisoners that cannot be taken away, it is the usual custom to kill them by breaking their heads with the blows of a tomahawk. When he has struck two or three blows, the savage quickly seizes his knife, and makes an incision around the hair from the upper part of the forehead to the back of the neck. Then he puts his foot on the shoulder of the victim, whom he has turned over face down, and pulls the hair off with both hands, from back to front... This hasty operation is no sooner finished than the savage fastens the scalp to his belt and goes on his way. This method is only used when the prisoner cannot follow his captor; or when the Indian is pursued... He quickly takes the scalp, gives the death cry, and flees at top speed. Savages always announce their valor by a death cry, when they have taken a scalp... When a savage has taken a scalp, and is not afraid he is being pursued, he stops and scrapes the skin to remove the blood and fibres on it. He makes a hoop of green wood, stretches the skin over it like a tambourine, and puts it in the sun to dry a little. The skin is painted red, and the hair on the outside combed. When prepared, the scalp is fastened to the end of a long stick, and carried on his shoulder in triumph to the village or place where he wants to put it. But as he nears each place on his way, he gives as many cries as he has scalps to announce his arrival and show his bravery. Sometimes as many as 15 scalps are fastened on the same stick. When there are too many for one stick, they decorate several sticks with the scalps."

(2) Thomas Gist, journal entry (14th September 14, 1758)

http://dpubs.libraries.psu.edu/DPubS?ser...172181847#

"The men began to scrape the flesh and blood from the scalps, and dry them by the fire, after which they dressed them with feathers and painted them, then tied them on white, red, and black poles, which they made so by pealing the bark and then painting them as it suited them."

(3) Pierre Pouchot, Memoirs on the Late War in North America Between France and England (1765)

http://archive.org/details/memoiruponlatew00houggoog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Pouchot

"As soon as the man is felled, they run up to him, thrust their knee in between his shoulder blades, seize a tuft of hair in one hand and, with their knife in the other, cut around the skin of the head and pull the whole piece away. The whole thing is done very expeditiously. Then, brandishing the scalp, they utter a whoop which they call the 'death whoop'... If they are not under pressure and the victory has cost them lives, they behave in an extremely cruel manner towards those they kill or the dead bodies. They disembowel them and smear their blood all over themselves."

(4) Mary Jemison, A Narrative of the Life of Mary Jemison (1824)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWjemisonM.htm

"It is a custom of the Indians, when one of their number is slain or taken prisoner in battle, to give to the nearest relative to the dead or absent, a prisoner, if they have chanced to take one, and if not, to give him the scalp of an enemy. On the return of the Indians from conquest, which is always announced by peculiar shoutings, demonstrations of joy, and the exhibition of some trophy of victory, the mourners come forward and make their claims. If they receive a prisoner, it is at their option either to satiate their vengeance, by taking his life in the most cruel manner they can conceive of; or, to receive and adopt him into the family, in the place of him whom they have lost. All the prisoners that are taken in battle and carried to the encampment or town by the Indians, are given to the bereaved families, till their number is made good. And unless the mourners have but just received the news of their bereavement, and are under the operation of a paroxysm of grief, anger and revenge; or, unless the prisoner is very old, sickly, or homely, they generally save him, and treat him kindly. But if their mental wound is fresh, their loss so great that they deem it irreparable, or if their prisoner or prisoners do not meet their approbation, no torture, let it be ever so cruel, seems sufficient to make them satisfaction. It is family, and not national, sacrifices amongst the Indians, that has given them an indelible stamp as barbarians, and identified their character with the idea which is generally formed of unfeeling ferocity, and the most abandoned cruelty."

(5) George Ruxton, Adventures in Mexico and the Rocky Mountains (1847)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWruxton.htm

"Seizing with his left hand the long and braided lock on the centre of the Indian's head, he passed the point edge of his keen butcher-knife round the parting, turning it at the same time under the skin to separate the scalp from the skull; then, with a quick and sudden jerk of his hand, he removed it entirely from the head, and giving the reeking trophy a wring upon the grass to free it from the blood, he coolly hitched it under his belt, and proceeded to the next; but seeing La Bonte operating upon this, he sought the third, who lay some little distance from the others. This one was still alive, a pistol-ball having passed through his body, without touching a vital spot. Thrusting his knife, for mercy's sake, into the bosom of the Indian, he likewise tore the scalp-lock from his head, and placed it with the other."

(6) Anna Jameson, Winter Studies and Summer Rambles (1838)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Jameson

http://www.amazon.com/Winter-Studies-Ram...0771099622

"Apropos to scalps, I have seen many of the warriors here, who had one or more of these suspended as decorations to their dress; and they seemed to me so much a part and parcel of the sauvagerie around me, that I looked on them generally without emotion or pain. But there was one thing I never could see without a start, and a thrill of horror - the scalp of long fair hair."

(7) Lewis Morgan, Kansas and Nebraska Journal (June, 1859)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWmorganL.htm

"The Minnetaree village is a large village of dirt houses. Soon after we arrived the people who crowded the bank commenced a scalp dance on the top of the bluff in front of the pickets. They used two drums, like tambourines, which were beat by the dancers themselves, and they danced in a ring from right to left about 30 in all, one-third of them women. They all danced. The women sang in a sort of chorus, with their voices an octave above those of the men. The step was the up and down on the heel step. They were celebrating the taking of the Sioux scalp we heard complained of at Fort Pierre. This morning I met the 3 who took the scalp, painted and dressed, coming through the village towards the boat, and walking side and slide, singing their exploit. The dance, the song, the music, and the step among all our Indians came out of one brain. "

(8) Nelson Lee, Three Years Among the Comanches (1859)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWleeNelson.htm

"I soon became aware that the only members of the party who escaped the massacre, which proved to have been bloody as it was sudden, were Thomas Martin, John Stewart, Atkins, and myself.

Their next step was to collect the plunder. In this, they were, indeed, thorough. Not only did they gather up all our buffalo skins, Mexican blankets, rifles and revolvers, culinary utensils, and the like, but the dead bodies were stripped to the last shred, and tied on the backs of their mules. Nothing was left behind. By this time the morning light began to break on the eastern mountains, and preparations were made to depart. Before starting, however, they unbound our feet, conducted us through the camp, pointing out the stark corpses of our butchered comrades, who had lain down to sleep with such light and happy hearts the night before. The scene was awful and heart-rending beyond the imagination of man to conceive. Not satisfied with merely putting them to death, they had cut and hacked the poor, cold bodies in the most brutal and wanton manner; some having their arms and hands chopped off, others emboweled, and still others with their tongues drawn out and sharp sticks thrust through them. They then led us out some three or four hundred yards from the camp and pointed out the dead bodies of the sentinels, thus assuring us that not one of the entire party had escaped.

During all the time they were thus exhibiting the result of their savage work, they resorted to every hideous device to inspire us with terror. They would rush toward us with uplifted tomahawks, stained with blood, as if determined to strike, or grasp us by the hair, flourishing their knives around our heads as though intending to take our scalps. So far as I could understand their infernal shouts and pantomime, they sought to tell us that the fate which had overtaken our unfortunate companions not only awaited us, but likewise the whole race of the hated white man. All the dead, without exception, were scalped and the scalps, still fresh, were dangling from their belts."

(9) Mary Smith, included in the History of La Salle County (1877)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWsmithM.htm

"The report of the unfortunate young women (Frances and Almira Hall) communicated to their friends and relatives, on their return from captivity, although treated with less severity, cannot fail to be read with much interest - they state, that after being compelled to witness not only the savage butchery of their beloved parents, but to hear the heart-piercing screeches and dying groans of their expiring friends and neighbors, and the hideous yells of the furious assaulting savages, they were seized and mounted upon horses, to which they were secured by ropes, when the savages with an exulting shout, took up their line of march in Indian file, bending their course west; the horses on which the females were mounted, being each led by one of their number, while two more walked on each side with their bloodstained scalping knives and tomahawks, to support and to guard them - they thus travelled for many hours, with as much speed as possible through a dark and almost impenetrable wood; when reaching a still more dark and gloomy swamp, they came to a halt. A division of the plunder which they had brought from the ill-fated settlement, and with which their stolen horses (nine in number) were loaded, here took place, each savage stowing away in his pack his proportional share as he received it; but on nothing did they seem to set so great a value, or view with so much satisfaction, as the bleeding scalps which they had, ere life had become extinct torn from the mangled heads of the expiring victims! the feelings of the unhappy prisoners at this moment, can be better judged than described when they could not be insensible that among these scalps, these shocking proofs of savage Cannibalism, were those of their beloved parents! but their moans and bitter lamentations had no effect in moving or diverting for a moment the savages from the business in which they had engaged, until it was completed; when, with as little delay as possible, and without giving themselves time to partake of any refreshment, (as the prisoners could perceive) they again set forward, and travelled with precipitancy until sunset when they again halted, and prepared a temporary lodging for the night-the poor unfortunate females, whose feelings as may be supposed, could be no other than such as bordered on distraction, and who had not ceased for a moment to weep most bitterly during the whole day, could not but believe that they were here destined to become the victims of savage outrage and abuse; and that their sufferings would soon terminate, as they would not (as they imagined) be permitted to live to see the light of another day!"

(10) Herman Lehmann, Indianology (1899)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWlehmann.htm

That night we came in contact with a company of men and had a little fight. We killed one white man and captured fifteen horses. I think this must have been near Ballinger. We came down to Pack Saddle in Llano County and there had a terrible fight with four white men. We were in the roughs and so were the whites, so neither had the advantage, but we routed them in about a half hour. I think I wounded one of the white men severely. I had a good shot at him, but they all got away.

We wended our way from there to House mountains, and there we captured a nice herd of horses, and this increased our drove to fifty. We went our same old route up the Llano river, but the rangers got on our trail and followed us up through Mason county, but we made for Kickapoo Springs, but the rangers had changed horses and were giving us close chase. We changed horses often and rode cautiously and made our escape, but we were followed to the edge of the plains. We reached home safely and with all our horses, but the Mexicans had again joined our squaws, and this time they had plenty of mescal and corn whiskey, and tobacco in abundance. We all got drunk and one hundred and forty Indian warriors and sixty Mexicans went on a cattle raid. West of Fort Griffin, on the old trail, we ran into a big herd being driven to Kansas. There were about twenty hands with the cattle. We rushed up and opened fire. The cattle stampeded and the cowboys rode in an opposite direction. There were enough of us to surround the cattle and chase the boys. We soon gave the boys up and started for Mexico with the herd, but the second day we were overtaken by about forty white men, who tried to retake the cattle, and in the attempt two Mexicans and one Indian were killed - the Indian was shot through the neck - and we had four horses killed. We repulsed them and got possession of two of their dead, who were promptly scalped. We put the scalps of those boys on high poles and had a big feast and war dance. We slew forty beeves and roasted them all at once. We kept up a chant and dance around those scalps day and night.

(11) John F. Finerty, Warpath and Bivouac (1890)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWfinertyJ.htm

The skull of one poor squaw was blown, literally, to atoms, revealing the ridge of the palate and presenting a most ghastly and revolting spectacle. Another of the dead females, a middle-aged woman, was so riddled by bullets that there appeared to be no unwounded part of her person left. The third victim was young, plump, and, comparatively speaking, light of color. She had a magnificent physique, and, for an Indian, a most attractive set of features. She had been shot through the left breast just over the heart and was not in the least disfigured.

Ute John, the solitary friendly Indian who did not desert the column, scalped all the dead, unknown to the General or any of the officers, and I regret to be compelled to state a few - a very few - brutalized soldiers followed his savage example. Each took only a portion of the scalp, but the exhibition of human depravity was nauseating. The unfortunates should have been respected, even in the coldness and nothingness of death. In that affair, surely, the army were the assailants and the savages acted purely in self defense. I must add in justice to all concerned that neither General Crook nor any of his officers or men suspected that any women or children were in the gully until their cries were heard above the volume of fire poured upon the fatal spot.

[thokling]

Just because a group that includes people of Jewish faith and/or background have terrorised others doesn't mean all Jews terrorise others. That's the point that's being made. I've known many Jews who've done no harm to others at all, and who've only desired to help others regardless of their religion. Arguments otherwise make no sense to me.

Hating people because of their backgrounds and merely ethnic associations with others is futile, and is encouraged by the very establishment one claims to be fighting against.

Yuck.

[April]

(01-27-2012 11:56 AM)thokling Wrote:  I've known many Jews who've done no harm to others at all, and who've only desired to help others regardless of their religion. Arguments otherwise make no sense to me.

Hating people because of their backgrounds and merely ethnic associations with others is futile, and is encouraged by the very establishment one claims to be fighting against.

Yuck.

I'll second that...

YUCK !

[h3rm35]

If it´s ¨all the Jews,¨ and ¨a Jewish conspiracy,¨ then why haven´t the seven Talmudic Noahide laws and the repercussions for breaking them been instituted as a global code... They aren´t even instituted in Israel.

[thokling]

There's no point in arguing with these racist assholes. They're just going to continue spinning their twisted "logic" while everyone else screams at them. Then they're going to twist those comments around, and get screamed at again.

I'm going to watch this thread for the sake of entertainment, but feeding these clueless grease stains with further retorts is not only going to perpetuate their racist and bigoted garbage, but is going to be a waste of time and energy.

I've made my point. I'm done with this circus. Time to move on.

[h3rm35]

I think my question is pretty succinct, and it´s a valid one. I´d really like to hear the answer if someone has one. I´d love to be as sure as most people on this thread about who´s actually to blame for this domineering bullshit we´re all experiencing and if someone can actually, viably answer my question, I´d be willing to hear more about what they have to say. I´m certainly no Zionist, and I´m completely disgusted with the state of Israel, but I just can´t get past the fact that the code that every devout Jew is supposed to follow and is supposed to be instituted at the coming of their messiah, and that even televangelists and uber-christian neocons want instituted as a means of getting the temple rebuilt to usher in the apocalypse and their universal kingdom of god hasn´t become even an ignored set of rules like the Geneva Convention. If they run the world, then why haven´t their most sacred Talmudic laws been instituted anywhere??

[thokling]

Cuz it's... Propaganda!

You can do anything with lies if you repeat them often enough.

[SirBustaBear]

Thumbs up for the yeti

Some facts everyone can easily verify:

- the first international bankers were not Jews, but the Knights Templar, their wealth eventually went to the Knights of Malta
- the Rothschilds bear the title „guardians of the Vatican treasury”, are strongly connected to the Vatican, are involved in non-Jewish, British and Papal knighthoods, and are historically mere „Hofjuden” (court Jews)
- the BIS, the European „central bank of central banks” had direct involvement of the Nazis (obviously anti-Jewish) in its beginning
- J. P. Morgan, major impetus for the founding of the Fed, was a „Knight of the Order of St. Lazarus”
- the new ECB president Mario Draghi was educated by Jesuits at the Istituto Massimo in Rome, a private Catholic school
- the Vatican Bank is reported to be one of the biggest money laundering operations in the world, is accused of having accepted Nazi gold and is accountable to nobody
- the Jesuit Order and the Vatican hold major shares in banks (e.g. Bank of America) and many big international companies


More facts, mixed with some opinion for consideration:


Banking and the Jews

Quote:For religious and other reasons, the ultra-right wing wants to blame all the troubles of planet Earth on a ‘Jewish conspiracy.’ They point to the great number of mass media types with Jewish surnames. Not pointed out is that these are historically managers not owners, and the non-Jewish owners use Jews as a front to take the heat.

Others in the ultra-right point to ‘Jewish bankers,’ meaning the Rothschilds, who are not followers of Judaism and are the official bankers and transactors of the Vatican. Also, the term means to some ‘the investment and bond houses of Wall Street.’ Those with the German-Jewish names still running the same have not been actual practicing Jews for several generations, having converted to other religions three generations ago and more.

Sherman Skolnick: „Overthrow of the American Republic”

Quote:The ultra-right wing falsely describes the Rothschilds as "Jewish bankers" when, in fact, the Rothschilds are interwoven with the Catholic Church, and, jointly with the traditional mafia and the American CIA, interlocked with the Vatican Bank, which was pro-Nazi.

Sherman H. Skolnick: „The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds” (article)
http://www.beyondweird.com/conspiracy/cn08-51.html

Quote:Those who believe that Jewish banks are responsible for our problems cite Benjamin Disraeli's book and claim that he exposed the Jewish Banking Conspiracy. Then they point to the Rothschilds, Kuhn, Loeb and Co., the Warburgs, the Lazard Bank, Lehman Brothers, and Goldman Sachs to justify their contention that Jewish bankers control the world.

Although their arguments are convincing, until recently several of the world's largest banks were owned by the Japanese and, according to Professor Quigley, during the early decades of the twentieth century the three largest banks in the United States were owned by the Rockefellers, the Morgans, and the Mellons. The fourth largest bank was Kuhn, Loeb Co., but it never controlled our banking system. Our fifth largest bank is the Bank of America. It was founded by an Italian immigrant.[18]

We are indebted to Professor Quigley for his analysis of the history of international finance. He found that the European central banks existed long before the House of Rothschild, and that powerful Catholic and Protestant banking firms have shared the European financial market with them. According to Professor Quigley, Jewish banks played an important part in financing industrial development in Europe, but they never controlled the financial institutions of the world.[19]

Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank, Jewish, but Paul Volker and William McChesney Martin who preceded him in that position weren't Jewish. Montague Norman controlled the Bank of England for twenty-five years, and he was a gentile.[20] Lord Brand was the managing director for of the Lazard Bank in England, and when he died Adam Marris replaced him. Neither man was Jewish, but both men were leaders of Rhodes' secret society.[21] Most people believe that Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs are Jewish banks, yet Pete Peterson was the CEO of Lehman Brothers before he went to the Blackstone Group. He is Greek, and he is the director of the Council on Foreign Relations.[22]

[...]

As strange as it may seem, many Jewish banks are controlled by men who are not Jewish. Why did Benjamin Disraeli, who was Jewish, write a novel about a Jewish banking conspiracy? Why do some people believe that Jews are responsible for our problems? Because they have been deceived. The Brotherhood has disseminated false information in an effort to convince us that Jews are the source of our problem. Anti-Semitism is a smokescreen created to conceal the identity of our true enemy.

Dr. Stanley Monteith: „Brotherhood of Darkness”, p. 16-32

Knights Templar, Knights of Malta and international banking

The Knights Templar were the first international bankers. When they were dissolved their wealth went to the Knights Hospitaller, one later branch of them being the Knights of Malta.

Quote:Although the primary mission of the Order was military, relatively few members were combatants. The others acted in support positions to assist the knights and to manage the financial infrastructure. The Templar Order, though its members were sworn to individual poverty, was given control of wealth beyond direct donations. A nobleman who was interested in participating in the Crusades might place all his assets under Templar management while he was away. Accumulating wealth in this manner throughout Christendom and the Outremer, the Order in 1150 began generating letters of credit for pilgrims journeying to the Holy Land: pilgrims deposited their valuables with a local Templar preceptory before embarking, received a document indicating the value of their deposit, then used that document upon arrival in the Holy Land to retrieve their funds. This innovative arrangement was an early form of banking, and may have been the first formal system to support the use of cheques; it improved the safety of pilgrims by making them less attractive targets for thieves, and also contributed to the Templar coffers.
Based on this mix of donations and business dealing, the Templars established financial networks across the whole of Christendom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templar

Quote:“Knights of Malta”: “A Roman Catholic religious-military order headquartered in Rome with, and under the command of, the Jesuit Superior General. Much of the wealth of the Knights Templar, when it was disbanded in 1312, was given to the Knights of Malta. Many Knights of Malta have held top-level positions in various governments, in the world’s foremost intelligence agencies, in international banking, and in the publishing world.”

[...]

“International finance and banking are NOT primarily ‘Jewish’. Many of the most powerful banking interests in the world are run by ‘Gentiles’. One of the most powerful forces in international banking is the Knights of Malta, a Roman Catholic religious-military order controlled by the Jesuit Superior General. Sadly, even a certain segment of the ‘alternative media’ helps to propagate the LIE that ‘the Jews’ run international banking. Interestingly, one of the titles of the Rothschild banking dynasty is ‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’. ‘The Jews’, as a people, have been used for centuries as a ‘scapegoat’ by these international banksters and their secret societies, such as the Jesuit-controlled Knights of Malta. To label ‘the Jews’ as running banking, Hollywood, etc, is to throw out the proverbial ‘red herring’ designed to throw us off the scent of the ‘real controllers’.”

[...]

“The Hospitallers (later to become the Knights of Malta) were one of three [Roman Catholic] religious-military orders founded in the 12th century – the other two being the Knights Templar (or, the Templars) and the Teutonic Knights. Concerning the Templars we are told the following by the 1955 World Scope Encyclopedia: ‘The Templars were founded in Jerusalem… The new order was given lodgings near the so-called Temple of Solomon… It was formally confirmed by Pope Honorius II in 1128. …The order became…the international bankers of their time. They were the predecessors of the great banking families such as the Medici. …The Templars were brought down by [King] Philip IV of France, and Pope Clement V. …The order [i.e., the Knights Templar] was disbanded in 1312, and much of their great wealth was given to the Knights of St. John [which later became the Knights of Malta].’ This is indeed very important to remember – that this Roman Catholic religious-military order, the Knights of Malta, which is co-located with, and controlled by, the Jesuit Superior General in Rome, inherited ‘much’ of the ‘great wealth’ of the Knights Templar!”

http://www.toughissues.org/The%20Conspiracy.htm

Quote:When you begin to look at the banking fraternities in America like the Bank of America, Union Bank in California, all of these people who founded these banks and today are running the banking establishment are all Knights of Malta. Catholic Masonry. So when I hear people talk about the Jews, there's the Jews that, and the Jews responsi... I say: no no, you better go back do your homework.

Interview with Jordan Maxwell by Project Camelot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQ-9ArGXvQ

Quote:International finance appears to be the fiefdom of Jewish families, but behind them are the Knights of Malta, an arm of the Jesuit Superior General, and I know from my own research over many years that the Knights of Malta are the power behind the global banking system. It is they who control the International Monetary Fund (IMF), for example. An acquaintance of mine called me to say he had been offered a job with the IMF by the Knights of Malta at a meeting in Las Vegas. When he asked how they could possibly make such an offer, he was told that they ran the whole thing and to get the job he would have to join them. He turned them down.

David Icke – All Roads Lead To Rome

Quote:Bank of the Holy Spirit

In 1786, the bank became one of the first to issue paper money during the pontificate of Pope Pius VI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_the_Holy_Spirit

Vatican wealth

Quote:The Vatican, as we have already reiterated, has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States, it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. 'The Catholic church,' he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.

The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by ‘the United Nations World Magazine’ to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Catholic Church, which in the U.S. alone, as we have already seen, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.

The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."

Avro Manhattan: „Vatican Billions”

Quote:The Independent has independently confirmed that “the Vatican Bank - Istituto per le Opere di Religione - manages more than $4 billion in assets. It does not reveal its profits or dividends, which are paid directly to the Pope. It enjoys the status of a central bank and has a dealing room adorned with crucifixes and papal portraits where 20 traders work .” [Independent Apr 19/02]

William Thomas: Does the Vatican hold your mortgage?
http://www.scribd.com/MisterFrost/d/1328...r-Mortgage

Quote:The extent of papal wealth has traditionally been cloaked in secrecy. Even within the Vatican’s own walls there is no one individual who has an overall view of its infinitely ramified financial operations. In ‘The Vatican Empire’, Nino Lo Bello, former Rome correspondent for ‘Business Week’, presents the first comprehensive and authoritative report on the Vatican as a nerve center of high finance. The picture that emerges is one of awesome fiscal power.

Mr. Lo Bello describes in fascinating detail Vatican investment in real estate – one third of Rome is owned by the Holy See – electronics, plastics, airlines, and chemical and engineering firms. He also gives evidence that the Vatican is heavily involved in Italian banking and that it has huge deposits in foreign banks. Many of these are in Switzerland, since the Vatican financiers prefer numbered Swiss accounts where anonymity is maintained and where they can gain control of foreign corporations far from the public eye.

In addition, Mr. Lo Bello shows that the Vatican is one of the world’s largest shareholders, with a stock portfolio that can be conservatively estimated in billions of dollars.

Nino Lo Bello: „The Vatican Empire”, back cover

Rafael Rodriguez Guillen: „The Vatican's Finances” (2003)

1694: The "Bank" of Rome opens a branch office in England
http://www.reformation.org/secrets-of-th...-rome.html

The Vatican's "Midas touch": Vatican seems to have developed a gift for prophecy that Wall Street could learn from
http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications...touch.html


Rothschild research

Quote:Early in the 19th century the Pope approached the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcastically say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope. . . Order has at last been re-established"

Derek Wilson: „Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty”, p. 101
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl171.htm

Quote:Carl Mayer (Kalman) Rothschild (*1788-†1855, Austria)

He even granted Pope Gregory XVI cash injections and was received on January the 10th 1832 in audience, the kiss on the hand allowed and the Order of Saint George awarded.

http://www.lemura.de/rth/rth.html [now offline]

Quote:The Treaty of Paris of 1763 designated King George III „Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire.” And according to the Encyclopedia Judaica [sic] the Rothschilds bear the title „Guardians of the Vatican Treasury.” The Vatican Treasury, of course, holds the imperial wealth of Rome. Imperial wealth grows in proportion to its victories in war -- as the Jesuit empowerment Regimini militantis ecclesiae implies, the Church-at-War is more necessary than the Church-at-Peace. According to H. Russell Robinson's illustrated Armour of Imperial Rome, Caesarean soldiers protect themselves in battle with shields painted red. Since the soldiery is the State's most valuable resource (the Council of Trent admitted this in preferring the Jesuits to all other religious orders), it is easy to understand why the red shield was identified with the very life of the Church. Hence, the appropriateness of the name Rothschild, German for „red shield.” The appointment of Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church? I believe this appointment explains why the House of Rothschild is famous for helping nations go to war. It is fascinating that, as Meyer Rothschild's sons grew into the family business, the firm took on the title Meyer Amschel Rothschild und Sohne, which gives us the notariqon MARS. Isn't Mars the Roman God of War, whose heavenly manifestation is „the red planet”? There is powerful cabalah here, and there's hardly an acre of inhabitable earth that hasn't been affected by it in some way.

Tupper Saussy: „Rulers of Evil”, p. 160-161
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=8944

Quote:It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.

Jewish Encyclopedia (published 1901 - 1906), p. 497
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.j...5&letter=R

Quote:If this latter statement [Rothschilds are the guardians of the papal treasure] is true the Rothschilds control in addition to their own fortune the immense liquid resource of the Catholic Church, which is second only to the Rothschilds' in wealth and power.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl171.htm

Quote:Weishaupt and his fellow Jesuits cut off the income to the Vatican by launching and leading the French Revolution; by directing Napoleon’s conquest of Catholic Europe; by the revolt against the Church, led by such priests as Father Hidalgo, in Mexico and Latin America; by eventually having Napoleon throw Pope Pius VII in jail at Avignon until he agreed, as the price for his release, to reestablish the Jesuit Order. This Jesuit war on the Vatican was terminated by the Congress of Vienna and by the secret, 1822, Treaty of Verona. . . . Ever since, the Rothschilds have been the fiscal agents of the Vatican.

Emanuel M. Josephson, 1968
Jewish American Physician & Historian
„The Federal Reserve Conspiracy & Rockefellers”, New York, Chedney Press, 1968

Quote:If you are not an American you will understand why your country is on its present course, as it too is controlled by the Jesuit General through his select Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, the Knights of Columbus, and the Illuminati’s Masonic, Cabalistic, Labor Zionist, Sabbatian Frankist (named after the Black Pope’s baptized Jacob Frank), Jewish House of Rothschild. For the Order controlled the infamous House of Rothschild since no later than the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars, after which Jesuit-led Crusade the Rothschild family was surnamed the “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury.”

Eric Jon Phelps, „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd Ed., p.90

Quote:The Jesuit General has been the most powerful man in the world since Pius VII restored the Order or "Company" in 1814. Because of the Order's suppression by the Pope in 1773, the Jesuits began the Bavarian Illuminati with one of their soldiers, Adam Weishaupt. The Illuminati absorbed the Jewish House of Rothschild creating a colossus of wealth around the world, subject to the Jesuit General. With this financial arm in place the Jesuits then made war on the Vatican including the Pope, the Roman Catholic Monarchs of Europe and the Order of the Dominicans. This Inquisition and Crusade was called "the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars". For twenty-five years, the Jesuit General's Masonic agents, particularly in the person of Napoleon Bonaparte, conducted war. Bonaparte also punished the Knights of Malta, driving them from their island home to Russia.”

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 2nd Ed., p. 582

Quote:The Jesuits, now formally suppressed by the Pope, were allied with Frederick the Great of Prussia and Catherine II of Russia. The Jesuit General was in control of Scottish Rite Freemasonry and now sought an alliance with the Masonic Baron of the House of Rothschild. To accomplish this he chose a Jesuit who was a German Gentile (not a Jew) by race and a Freemason by association — Adam Weishaupt.

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd Ed., p. 401

Quote:The Rothschilds were Jesuits [this is too bold a claim; Knights of Malta if at all or temporal coadjutores] who used their Jewish background as a faûze to cover their sinister activities. The Jesuits, working through Rothschild and [financier Nicholas] Biddle, sought to gain control of the banking system of the United States.

[...]

The Jesuits used Biddle and Rothschild to gain the upper hand in American banking because they knew they could then control the people and effectively re-write the Constitution according to papal law. Jackson was trying to stop them.

[...]

We have already seen that the Rothschilds were the banking agents for the papacy’s Church.

[...]

These three financial families, the Rothschilds, Morgans, and Rockefellers all do the bidding of the Jesuit Order because of Jesuit infiltration in their organizations. They do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and to bring the pope to world domination. As we look back over the 20th century, we see how successful the Jesuits have been. They have continued to squander the wealth of America and continually attack its great constitution and civil liberties. Daily, the power of the pope in Vatican City increases. One day they will achieve total power again.

Bill Hughes: „The Secret Terrorists”, pp. 16-17

Quote:… the Jesuits were driven to co-operate with the other two international brotherhoods, the Freemasons and the Jews [Rothschild’s Illuminati], in the destruction of the Spanish Empire.

Salvador de Madariaga, Spanish Statesman: „The Jesuits”, 1820

Quote:During the Order’s Suppression from 1773 to 1814 by Pope Clement XIV, General Ricci [Eighteenth Superior General of the Society of Jesus, 1758 - 1775] created the Order of the Illuminati with his soldier, Adam Weishaupt, uniting the House of Rothschild with the Society of Jesus.

G. B. Nicolini: „History of the Jesuits: Their Origin, Progress, Doctrines, and Designs”, (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1889) pp. 356, 357

Quote:Jesuit Adam Weishaupt, 1748 – 1811
Founder of the Illuminati, 1776

Born at Ingolstadt, Germany, in the heart of Roman Catholic Bavaria from which originated the Order’s Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648), Adam Weishaupt, a White German Gentile, was educated by the Jesuits; in 1775 he became a notorious professor of the Vatican’s murderous Canon Law, including the evil, Counter-Reformation Council of Trent. Since Pope Clement XIV’s Bull of Extinction was not enforced in Lutheran Germany, the Order flourished at its University of Ingolstadt, out of which Weishaupt established the Illuminati in 1776 and joined the Grand Orient Masonic Lodge in 1777. He united the magnificent financial empire of the Cabalistic, Masonic, Jewish House of Rothschild, the „Guardians of the Vatican’s Treasury,” with the opulence of the international and secret, anti-Jewish Race, primarily White Gentile Society of Jesus.

Nesta H. Webster: „Secret Societies and Subversive Movements”, (South Pasadena, California: Emissary Publications, 1988; originally published in 1924).

Quote:You'll also find ex British Intelligence officier Dr John Coleman expose how the Rothschilds and even the Rockefellers wealth simply doesn't come close to some of the members of the Committee of 300 which is controlled by the Order of the Garter, Pilgrim Society, all inner cores of the SMOM!

[...]

The Jews were bought into positions of power within Banking back in 1066 by the Norman Anglo-Saxon Monarchs. For this they accepted being controlled. Remember that the Law of Banking is known as International Maritime Admiralty Law. This Maritime Law was based on VATICAN Canon Law. All the "War Banks" known as Central banks get controlled from SMOM controlled Switzerland. The Federal Reserve pays the Bank of England which finally ends up in the Swiss Bank of International Settlements. All you need to do is study the SMOM and its members then look whos who in Banking.

Craig Oxley
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/extern...-4264.html

Quote:The Jesuit controlled SMOM has a permanent observer status at the UN. Who created the CFR which created the UN?
The SMOM.
The Jesuits control the CFR.

the Rothschilds are simply Court Jews for the Papacy and always will be unless they play up, then the Papacy will simply annilate them by any means necessary. If you look at whats going on in this world properly you can see the Roman Catholic control quite clearly. The Rothschilds have been under the Black Pope's thumb since the 18th Century. Be careful of the many diversionists out there playing with your mind. The Jesuit ALWAYS control both sides.

When you put money in the bank does the bank own that money or can you remove it and place it in another bank or under your matress? Yes if theres a crash you can loose your money but the Jesuit will never loose his money. Remember the whole banking system is fully controlled by the SOVEREIGN MILITARY ORDER OF MALTA and has been for eons. Switzerland is their Banking HQ closely followed by 'The City', NYNY and Dubai. Rothschild is subordinate to the JESUITS and the SMOM commanders period. You need to understand how the Jews were granted the positions of power within the SMOM Banking. Look to 1066 and the agreement with them being ruled by the Norman Anglo-Saxon monarchs. These jews have their uses to the Jesuit, the Jesuit isn't stupid, he will utilise what he can to make his power cemented and stronger. The 4th vow Jesuits are the most organised of any order known and the most powerful.
What do you hear daily? ROTHSCHILD, ROTHSCHILD. What didn't you hear about much at all until recently? THE JESUITS and THE SUPERIOR GENERAL. For that matter the SMOM still are kept pretty much quiet in the infowars.

The Council on Foreign Relations was created by the Sovereign Military Order of Malta back in 1921 after their creation of the Royal Institute of International Affairs in 1919. Both of these control the 1868 corporation known as the United States. Both are arms of the SMOM via their inner cores within 'The City' known as Pilgrim Society, Order of the Garter and Committee of 300. The CFR created the United Nations. Now notice how the SMOM have PERMANENT OBSERVER STATUS within the United Nations.

Look to the likes of New York Jesuit Joseph O Hare whos a CFR! It is correct theres many Labor Masonic Zionists within the CFR but remember also they are MASONIC which itself means subordinate to the Jesuit Superior General who controls all of Freemasonry, again thanks to Adam Weishaupt.

If you look at 'The George Town Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200' you will see its stated the Norman and Anglo-Saxon Kings own the Jews. It states that Jews are controlled by Gt Britain. It also states the Talmud is now law of the land as of 1066 and its enforced by the Popes and Kings. This is what you would call the Uniform Commerical Code.

Craig Oxley?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275446/pg4

Quote:Rome/Rothschild (Mayer Amschel)

He named himself “Rothschild” meaning “Red shield”. Roman soldiers used to carry red shields; i.e. Rothschild named himself after a Roman symbol of war. His family bears the title “Guardian of the Vatican treasury” [...]. Some people claim that Rothschild (a Jew) hired Weishaupt (a Jesuit), but anyone who knows the Society of Jesus will recognise that this idea is ridiculous. No Jesuit is for hire (and certainly not by Jews)! Every Jesuit slavishly and robotically serves the Jesuit General. It is infinitely more likely that Weishaupt hired Rothschild. Rothschild was born in 1743 and the Jesuits were started in 1776. That means he was merely a 33 year old banker when he supposedly began an organisation that has virtually taken over the world. Not very likely! If the Illuminati weren't doing the bidding of the Jesuits but were actually in direct competition, the Jesuits would simply have disposed of them. Besides, Weishaupt wasn't the ONLY Jesuit supposedly fooled into working for the Illuminati. The Alumbrados (the Spanish Illuminati) came "especially" from Rome's "Franciscans and Jesuits" [Encyclopedia Britannica, s.v. 'Alumbrados']. It was "made up of ... Franciscans and the Jesuits"

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~emcd/TheFrontOfIt.htm

The question will always remain: who controls whom here. You have to take into consideration that the Rothschilds were a family of so called court Jews („Hofjuden”). Court Jews (obviously Jews were used for religious reasons) managed the assets of their (church) princes, but did so while still being dependent on them. That is consistent with the title „guardians of the papal treasury”.

Furthermore there are depictions of members of the Rothschild family where they are shown decorated with medals which are completely non-Jewish to say the least. As the most astonishing example we have:



Amschel Mayer Rothschild, oldest son and head of the family (took over the head office in Frankfurt) after the death of father Mayer Amschel Rothschild, wearing the Cross of Malta, complete with official medal ribbon

If he was indeed a Knight of Malta and had received their decoration that would mean that he must have been especially obedient to this order and its principles. As always the question of which master someone serves during his lifetime is of more importance than his ancestry on the paper.

Quote:“The Knights of Malta are the militia of the Pope, and are sworn to total obedience by a blood oath which is taken extremely seriously and to the death. The Pope as the head of the Vatican is also the head of a foreign national power.”

Albert G. Mackey, 33rd degree Mason: „Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences” (Volume One, 1925, pp. 392-95)

Troy Space did some extensive research here:

Quote:Rothschilds: Papal & Royal Knights

For those who doubt the balance of power between the Rothschilds, British Royalty & the Papacy, I have compiled the following collection of information showing verifiable Papal & Royal knighthoods bestowed on the Rothschilds. [...]

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/12/...l-knights/

The Bank of America

Jesuits own 51% of Bank of America – and the Holy See is one of the biggest financial powers on earth

By 1958 it was reported that 51% of the shares of the Bank of America, now the biggest bank of the United States, were hold by the Jesuit Order. Actual ownership by the shareholders, that is what is seldomly researched. Instead some people prefer to count CEOs with some Jewish ancestry instead.

Quote:However it's no secret that the Holy See is considered to be one of the biggest financial powers of the world and its political influence has continually grown in the last years not least because of this reason. […] The rise of the Vatican towards one of the most influential financial powers of the world has happened in the last 80 years.

[…]

For the first time the influence of the Society of Jesus in the American financial world became visible 50 years ago when the Italian financier A. P. Giannini founded the Bank of California which, known today under the modified name „Bank of America”, is one of the biggest Banks of the world. Giannini was an extremely smart financier who owed his start-up capital to the Jesuits and figured as their man of confidence and their straw man. Today 51 percent of the Bank of America is in the possession of the order.

Der SPIEGEL, issue no. 33, 1958
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-41762132.html

Quote:Hollywood and the Bank of America

[...] The movie industry in Hollywood actually became a branch office of the Bank of Italy a.k.a. Bank of America. […] In 1930, Hollywood became a branch of the Bank of America when Giannini became a major studio financier.

http://www.reformation.org/jesuits-again...tates.html

The Fed
(controversional, by times speculative info by EJP)

Quote:Knights of Malta: Masters of the Pope’s Federal Reserve Bank Using Front Jews

Civil War beneficiary, co-conspirator in the sinking of the Titanic and “Robber Baron” J. Pierpont Morgan was the impetus behind the formation of the bank way back in 1913. And just before that Jesuit “formation,” J. P. Morgan, that Papal Knight of the Order of St. Lazarus, died in Rome (enjoying a 500.00-dollar-a-day hotel suite) while visiting his master, Pope Pius X.

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2011/11/...ront-jews/

How Rome Runs the Wicked Federal Reserve Bank
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2010/11/...erve-bank/

Obama, Monopolistic Cartel Capitalism, the Jesuit Papacy’s Federal Reserve Bank
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2010/07/...erve-bank/

Pope’s Federal Reserve World Bank: Building Rome’s EU; Destroying Rome’s USA
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2010/12/...romes-usa/

Jesuit Order’s Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Destroying White Middle Class
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2010/11/...dle-class/

The sinking of the Titanic in order to establish the Fed
http://www.vaticanassassinsarchive.com/titanic.htm

Quote:The Fed is controlled through the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) with offices in both New York City and Washington, D.C. The CFR is overseen and guided by the Jesuits of Georgetown University; the Order’s enforcers, keeping all politicians in line who may be a threat to its Fed, is the FBI/CIA—the co-assassins of JFK!

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd edition, p. 966

Quote:Knight of Malta William J. McDonough

Georgetown Univ. Jesuit-trained Economist, CFR Board of Directors President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 1993 – 2003
Member, Bilderberg Group; Member, Trilateral Commission Board Member with Knight Boisi, Carnegie Corporation of New York

Freemasons Peter G. Peterson and Alan Greenspan

Peterson the Gentile, a former Chairman/CEO of Lehman Brothers and Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (1977-1984) is presently Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Chairman of the Order’s Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), holding an honorary doctorate from Jesuit Georgetown University. Greenspan the Jew, a former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under 33rd Degree Freemason President Gerald Ford (1974-1977), was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board (1987-2006), is a powerful member of the CFR and an honorary Knight Commander of the Black Pope’s British Empire as of 2002.

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd edition, p. 969

Quote:Knight of Malta Edward L. Hennessy, Jr.

[…]

The Jesuits always keep their fascist Irish Roman Catholic cartel-capitalists out of sight while parading their socialist-communist CFR-controlled Masonic Court
Jews in the limelight, thus “proving” the “international communist conspiracy” for a world government is “Jewish.” Let us read the resume of this powerful
Papal Knight given by Florida’s Palm Beach Civic Association for 2006: “[…] Mr. Hennessy was a financial consultant to the Vatican and a former director of six New York Stock Exchange companies. He served two terms on the board of the New York Federal Reserve Bank [proving that the privately-owned Fed is ruled by the agents of its owner—the Pope of Rome!]. […] He has several honorary degrees and is a Knight of Malta, Knight of St. Gregory and Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre.”

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd edition, p. 971

Quote:[Roman Catholic Jesuit-trained Temporal Coadjutor, CFR Speaker, former Chairman and CEO of the American Stock Exchange] Richard [F.] Syron, a vice president of the Boston Fed [and Trustee of the Order’s Boston College] who served for a time as special assistant to [Paul] Volcker, suggested that the institutional temperament and structure of the Federal Reserve System most resembled the Catholic Church, in which he had been raised [indicating that a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor must have overseen the construction of the Federal Reserve Act, that man being the cool lieutenant of J. P. Morgan, “Skull and Bones” Henry P. Davison, who, according to Morgan’s Thomas W. Lamont, another brother Bonesman, “served as the arbitrator of the Jekyll Island expedition”].

‘The System is just like the Church. That’s probably why I feel so comfortable with it. It’s got a pope, the chairman; and a College of Cardinals, the governors and bank presidents; and a curia, the senior staff. The equivalent of the laity is the commercial banks. If you’re a naughty parishioner in the Catholic Church, you come to confession. In this system, if you’re naughty, you come to the discount window for a loan. We even have different orders of religious thought like Jesuits and Franciscans and Dominicans only we call them pragmatists and monetarists and neo-
Keynesians.’ ” {28}
[Emphasis added]

William Greider, 1987, American Journalist for the CFR-controlled Washington Post: „Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country”

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd edition, p. 924

J. P. Morgan Bank and Knights of Malta:

Quote:Knight of Malta Geoffrey T. Boisi

[…]

one of many powerful Roman Catholic American Knights of Malta […] Mr. Boisi’s extensive resume illustrates the totality of control with which the Jesuit Order rules the American Empire’s investment banking industry. That power extends—and has always extended—to prominent New York Jewish banking firms via the Order’s New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. This cleverly hidden truth lays to rest the rhetoric of right-wing, neo-fascist propagandists of every stripe who deceptively blame the Jews in general for the Great Depression of 1929, our de facto national bankruptcy in 1933 and the resultant financial and monetary monopoly of the Company’s wicked Federal Reserve System […] a trustee of the [Jesuit] Order’s Boston College […] a trustee of (Knight of Malta) Joseph P. Kennedy Enterprises; a member of the Trilateral Commission; and a trustee of The Papal Foundation. Mr. Boisi has been Vice Chairman of JPMorgan Chase serving as CEO of JPMorgan […] honored by John Paul II as a Steward of St. Peter

Eric Jon Phelps: „Vatican Assassins”, 3rd edition, p. 970

ECB and Mario Draghi

Quote:Certain actions by Vatican loyalists and German corporatists involved in the European and global banking community have recently consummated in establishing a regulatory power that will oversee all major corporate, financial and banking decisions around the globe. That institution is the Financial Stability Board (fsb), headed by Italian banking guru Mario Draghi.

Draghi, a committed Europhile and dedicated Roman Catholic with connections that run deep within the global banking and finance community, and having historic Vatican Bank and European Central Bank connections, has suddenly become the most powerful regulator of banking, finance and commerce in the world. His overnight elevation to international prominence came in the wake of the 20 most powerful economies in the world signing over their individual sovereign powers regulating their economies to the fsb at the recent G-20 conference in London.

Perhaps Mr. Draghi would have escaped our notice if it were not for the intriguing history that he possesses connecting him with the Vatican, Vatican banking, major financial enterprises that have strong connections with German banking and commercial interests, and both the Italian and the European central banks, and the fact of his Jesuit training. That all amounts to an extremely interesting package when one is considering the CV of the individual who now heads up the most powerful regulatory body within the global economy.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=6105.4499.0.0

Quote:Jesuits: Order of the careerists

Jesuit schools are known to this very day as manager mills. Also profiting from this is the new president of the ECB Mario Draghi.

[…] Mario Draghi who will assume the chairmanship of the European Central Bank in November. The highly educated and reputable commercial expert is considered to be the perfect choice for the difficult task. Many of his advantages are attributed to his training at the Jesuit institute.

[…]

Thus the prominent graduates of the Jesuit élite school of Rome, Berlin or Vienna have always been considered as chosen elite. There is calculation behind this. The interest of the Order of the Jesuits has always been in the universities as multipliers to put believers into key positions in society.

[…]

The American author Chris Lowney, once a Jesuit, later an executive director at the investment bank J.P. Morgan, even calls the Order a model for managers in his book „Heroic Leadership”. The Jesuits had developed from a small group of 10 men to the biggest order of the world with just under 20,000 professionals today in 450 years. The German management trainer Helmut Geiselhart writes in „Das Management-Modell der Jesuiten” („The management model of the Jesuits”) that the constant commitment to improvement has secured the existence of the organisation.

[…]

Among the known graduates of the Jesuit led Georgetown University near Washington are Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, EU president José Barroso, Minister-President of Saxony Kurt Biedenkopf, King Abdullah II of Jordan as well as crown prince Felipe of Spain.

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/management/...rrieristen

Quote:On 18th July Mario Draghi, the Jesuit trained governor of the Italian Central Bank ‘Bankitalia’, participated to a meeting of the Irish central bank in Dublin. There he putted his mouth and his tongue at the service of the Vatican Usurers Global Wide crusade (they call it: globalization) with which the Romanists want to enslave (they call it: to evangelize) every living being on earth provided with some quantum of conscience. Our diligent schoolboy arrived from the new restored Pontifical reign of Italy to carry out, with worry and diligency, the important exercises his black teachers gave him. So what said our Mario to the anxious spectator in the Roman Catholic Dublin Castle? „…Central banks must take the lead in restoring order…”

http://avlesbeluskesexposed.blogspot.com...-2008.html

One more comment: the notion, that the Vatican or the Jesuit Order are controlled by Jews or even ARE Jewish is massive, obvious disinfo and damage control and can be easily refuted, as has been done in this forum several times before already (see: Antijudaism of the church at least until the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), massive Jesuit Antijudaism [-> Civiltà Cattolica] contributing to the climate leading up the Shoah, Vatican collaboration with Nazis and fascists (e.g. Ratlines), blood purity law [limpieza de sangre] in the Jesuit Order excluding Jews from 1593 to 1946, Vatican refused to recognize state of Israel from 1948 to 1993, Vatican cardinal calls Gaza one „big concentration camp”, Catholic journalists and priests complaining about a „Zionist tsunami” etc. etc.). It's much more plausible that it is other way round, that for example the Vatican controls leading factions of Israel by now, as can be seen by Shimon Peres' attempts to hand the holy sites of Jerusalem over to the Vatican.

[nwo2012]

Actually a very good post SBB. Wow did I say that?

[zapoper]

http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talksh...isease.mp3

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A special type of retard you are yourself yeti. How can you deny the obvious as much as you do?

We can scream Illuminati and Germanic death cults all we want and nothing happens. When we murmur against the Jews, we get persecuted like they were in Germany. We get: You're an Anti - Semite Blah, blah, blah.

How can you guys not notice that nearly every media you watch or read is brainwashing you by the Jews? You just watch a romantic comedy and out of the blue you get a Hitler joke out of no where.

Get a fucking clue...BTW I missed your last couple of calls yeti. Call Me.

[Mami]

[nwo2012]

One can not deny the power that Israel appears to wield over the US. Check this out, if this was said by any patriot then they would be labeled a terrorist and imprisoned.

Quote:Recently, it was the life of President Obama itself being threatened in a column written by the owner of the Atlanta Jewish Times.
Vladimir Kremlev for RT (click to enlarge)

In an article titled ‘What would you do?’ the newspaper’s publisher Andrew Adler listed the assassination of President Obama as one way to ensure Israel’s security.

“Give the go-ahead for US-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies,” he writes.

Mark Glenn, journalist of Theuglytruth.com shared with RT: “I think the threat made to Obama, either play along with us, or we are going to kill you politically or literally, I think that it is a serious threat we have to take seriously.”

He has since resigned but funnily enough remains a free man.

[yeti]

(01-31-2012 05:27 AM)zapoper Wrote:  A special type of retard you are yourself yeti. How can you deny the obvious as much as you do?

Get a fucking clue...BTW I missed your last couple of calls yeti. Call Me.

You insult me like this yet expect me to call you? Whatever respect I had for you is now gone.

[zapoper]

I copied and pasted "A special type of retard" from one of your posts in this thread because I wanted you to realize how much of a jerk you sound like sometimes.

Now I can't find these words in the thread. WTF???

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Ah. It's in the last paragraph of your post # 13. http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid236510

Sometimes you come off as a jerk. But hey! If I were reading all the crap day in and day out, maybe I'd end up doing the same.