8 Reasons Young Americans Don't Fight Back: How the US Crushed Youth Resistance

[mexika]

Its not hard to see why America has squashed resistance for liberation, justice, and freedom. In most schools we are not taught true history. When I was in school, I was taught the better glorification of status quo, right wing political good side, and a constant bombardment of Super Heroes in Vietnam, World War I and II, mostly white anglos shown as Captain Americas best elite. Time passed, I got to see the front lines consisted mostly of African American and Indigenous Brown Mexicans and Native people, yet in school, they would never dared to show us that we too as brown and black had outstanding Super Heroes with Purple Hearts and Valiant Medal of Honors. Yet in our public schools, it was taboo to know of these Heroes. As I grow older, I have to unlearn what was taught to me and Re-learn the truths that were kept from me. With an extensive Library 'AmoxCalli" as my preferred education Weapon, I and we Learn that within any stolen lands on the planet by piracy, the reality is that there is no justice given to those whose lands were stolen by economics, education, political, psychological, sociological, and humanely possible. That is how Piracy and Pirates Work when going into any lands and taking over almost everything that makes the original inhabitants docile. Many of the Inhabitants start believing that thats the why things are to the point where they start being conformists and obeying or induced with fear by the pirates and their occupying police terrorist forces within segregated communities within cities and outside as our Native Brothers of the north too well. We start losing our identify, our heritage, our place in time and space to where they tell us that there are no Indians anymore. But step out the segregated communities into the four corners; New Mexico, Arizona, California, and other states and we find to often that those north american Indians look mexicans, they look like the Mexican and too often they speak Spanish and a native indigenous language as well. The reason they have segregated the free spirited Native American is let the public and the Anglos know that the only indians that existed are in the Museum and to crush the spirit of the Native Americans, their resistance to pirate settlers who have subjugated them and taken their rightful placed on the planet of having a piece of land where they were free and self-sufficient.

it was to crush any type of resistance and to brainwash the rest of the self-labeled latino and hispanic as TV constantly repeats those labels of brainwash, to assimilate and be a nice little slave. To enjoy the American Apple Pie in segregated communities and to let those indians in Reservations die a slow death of Alcohol, drugs, gangs, and a final death wish. The pirates as the dominant group does wish to remind the rest of and any native looking people that the lands where they suck it dry and kill it as not theirs but of a people who held great respect for it, themselves, and others. They wish to destroy their spirits, their heroes, their place in time and space that The Native Held True to an ideal of respect for humanity, the environment, and other people, even the so called white. You see, capitalism and piracy conflicts with Native Humanity and the reason Native Humanity has been dealt a death blow is because its very human as opposed to a type of beast whose not human at and will use whatever means necessary to get its way, even if they have to genocide those that are in their way as in Manifest Their Destiny of Piracy. This will not be for long, even a bad dog will see the end of their disrespectful taking through evil barking.

What does all this have to do with youth not fighting back? The resistance of the youth has been squashed, put in fear by police terrorists, and been infected with Tele-transmissions of brainwash, Games that kill thoughts and dreams, and schools that teach entertainment and money illusions of their mirrored society, the Pirate at Bay make it even if you have to deal drugs at any cost. 2.6 million in prisons for following a pirate dream full of distorted illusions, decayed behavior, and infected with a dangling neclace of a white jesus chritst while drinking burning water and smoking cancer. The Youth Resistance has been poisoned and subdued with magic spells and hopeless dreams and even nightmares...


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8 Reasons Young Americans Don't Fight Back: How the US Crushed Youth Resistance

The ruling elite has created social institutions that have subdued young Americans and broken their spirit of resistance.

By Bruce E. Levine

August 03, 2011 "Alternet" -- Traditionally, young people have energized democratic movements. So it is a major coup for the ruling elite to have created societal institutions that have subdued young Americans and broken their spirit of resistance to domination.

Young Americans—even more so than older Americans—appear to have acquiesced to the idea that the corporatocracy can completely screw them and that they are helpless to do anything about it. A 2010 Gallup poll asked Americans “Do you think the Social Security system will be able to pay you a benefit when you retire?” Among 18- to 34-years-olds, 76 percent of them said no. Yet despite their lack of confidence in the availability of Social Security for them, few have demanded it be shored up by more fairly payroll-taxing the wealthy; most appear resigned to having more money deducted from their paychecks for Social Security, even though they don’t believe it will be around to benefit them.

How exactly has American society subdued young Americans?

1. Student-Loan Debt. Large debt—and the fear it creates—is a pacifying force. There was no tuition at the City University of New York when I attended one of its colleges in the 1970s, a time when tuition at many U.S. public universities was so affordable that it was easy to get a B.A. and even a graduate degree without accruing any student-loan debt. While those days are gone in the United States, public universities continue to be free in the Arab world and are either free or with very low fees in many countries throughout the world. The millions of young Iranians who risked getting shot to protest their disputed 2009 presidential election, the millions of young Egyptians who risked their lives earlier this year to eliminate Mubarak, and the millions of young Americans who demonstrated against the Vietnam War all had in common the absence of pacifying huge student-loan debt.

Today in the United States, two-thirds of graduating seniors at four-year colleges have student-loan debt, including over 62 percent of public university graduates. While average undergraduate debt is close to $25,000, I increasingly talk to college graduates with closer to $100,000 in student-loan debt. During the time in one’s life when it should be easiest to resist authority because one does not yet have family responsibilities, many young people worry about the cost of bucking authority, losing their job, and being unable to pay an ever-increasing debt. In a vicious cycle, student debt has a subduing effect on activism, and political passivity makes it more likely that students will accept such debt as a natural part of life.

2. Psychopathologizing and Medicating Noncompliance. In 1955, Erich Fromm, the then widely respected anti-authoritarian leftist psychoanalyst, wrote, “Today the function of psychiatry, psychology and psychoanalysis threatens to become the tool in the manipulation of man.” Fromm died in 1980, the same year that an increasingly authoritarian America elected Ronald Reagan president, and an increasingly authoritarian American Psychiatric Association added to their diagnostic bible (then the DSM-III) disruptive mental disorders for children and teenagers such as the increasingly popular “oppositional defiant disorder” (ODD). The official symptoms of ODD include “often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules,” “often argues with adults,” and “often deliberately does things to annoy other people.”

Many of America’s greatest activists including Saul Alinsky (1909–1972), the legendary organizer and author of Reveille for Radicals and Rules for Radicals, would today certainly be diagnosed with ODD and other disruptive disorders. Recalling his childhood, Alinsky said, “I never thought of walking on the grass until I saw a sign saying ‘Keep off the grass.’ Then I would stomp all over it.” Heavily tranquilizing antipsychotic drugs (e.g. Zyprexa and Risperdal) are now the highest grossing class of medication in the United States ($16 billion in 2010); a major reason for this, according to theJournal of the American Medical Association in 2010, is that many children receiving antipsychotic drugs have nonpsychotic diagnoses such as ODD or some other disruptive disorder (this especially true of Medicaid-covered pediatric patients).

3. Schools That Educate for Compliance and Not for Democracy. Upon accepting the New York City Teacher of the Year Award on January 31, 1990, John Taylor Gatto upset many in attendance by stating: “The truth is that schools don’t really teach anything except how to obey orders. This is a great mystery to me because thousands of humane, caring people work in schools as teachers and aides and administrators, but the abstract logic of the institution overwhelms their individual contributions.” A generation ago, the problem of compulsory schooling as a vehicle for an authoritarian society was widely discussed, but as this problem has gotten worse, it is seldom discussed.

The nature of most classrooms, regardless of the subject matter, socializes students to be passive and directed by others, to follow orders, to take seriously the rewards and punishments of authorities, to pretend to care about things they don’t care about, and that they are impotent to affect their situation. A teacher can lecture about democracy, but schools are essentially undemocratic places, and so democracy is not what is instilled in students. Jonathan Kozol in The Night Is Dark and I Am Far from Home focused on how school breaks us from courageous actions. Kozol explains how our schools teach us a kind of “inert concern” in which “caring”—in and of itself and without risking the consequences of actual action—is considered “ethical.” School teaches us that we are “moral and mature” if we politely assert our concerns, but the essence of school—its demand for compliance—teaches us not to act in a friction-causing manner.

4. “No Child Left Behind” and “Race to the Top.” The corporatocracy has figured out a way to make our already authoritarian schools even more authoritarian. Democrat-Republican bipartisanship has resulted in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, NAFTA, the PATRIOT Act, the War on Drugs, the Wall Street bailout, and educational policies such as “No Child Left Behind” and “Race to the Top.” These policies are essentially standardized-testing tyranny that creates fear, which is antithetical to education for a democratic society. Fear forces students and teachers to constantly focus on the demands of test creators; it crushes curiosity, critical thinking, questioning authority, and challenging and resisting illegitimate authority. In a more democratic and less authoritarian society, one would evaluate the effectiveness of a teacher not by corporatocracy-sanctioned standardized tests but by asking students, parents, and a community if a teacher is inspiring students to be more curious, to read more, to learn independently, to enjoy thinking critically, to question authorities, and to challenge illegitimate authorities.

5. Shaming Young People Who Take Education—But Not Their Schooling—Seriously. In a 2006 survey in the United States, it was found that 40 percent of children between first and third grade read every day, but by fourth grade, that rate declined to 29 percent. Despite the anti-educational impact of standard schools, children and their parents are increasingly propagandized to believe that disliking school means disliking learning. That was not always the case in the United States. Mark Twain famously said, “I never let my schooling get in the way of my education.” Toward the end of Twain’s life in 1900, only 6 percent of Americans graduated high school. Today, approximately 85 percent of Americans graduate high school, but this is good enough for Barack Obama who told us in 2009, “And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. It’s not just quitting on yourself, it’s quitting on your country.”

The more schooling Americans get, however, the more politically ignorant they are of America’s ongoing class war, and the more incapable they are of challenging the ruling class. In the 1880s and 1890s, American farmers with little or no schooling created a Populist movement that organized America’s largest-scale working people’s cooperative, formed a People’s Party that received 8 percent of the vote in 1892 presidential election, designed a “subtreasury” plan (that had it been implemented would have allowed easier credit for farmers and broke the power of large banks) and sent 40,000 lecturers across America to articulate it, and evidenced all kinds of sophisticated political ideas, strategies and tactics absent today from America’s well-schooled population. Today, Americans who lack college degrees are increasingly shamed as “losers”; however, Gore Vidal and George Carlin, two of America’s most astute and articulate critics of the corporatocracy, never went to college, and Carlin dropped out of school in the ninth grade.

6. The Normalization of Surveillance. The fear of being surveilled makes a population easier to control. While the National Security Agency (NSA) has received publicity for monitoring American citizen’s email and phone conversations, and while employer surveillance has become increasingly common in the United States, young Americans have become increasingly acquiescent to corporatocracy surveillance because, beginning at a young age, surveillance is routine in their lives. Parents routinely check Web sites for their kid’s latest test grades and completed assignments, and just like employers, are monitoring their children’s computers and Facebook pages. Some parents use the GPS in their children’s cell phones to track their whereabouts, and other parents have video cameras in their homes. Increasingly, I talk with young people who lack the confidence that they can even pull off a party when their parents are out of town, and so how much confidence are they going to have about pulling off a democratic movement below the radar of authorities?

7. Television. In 2009, the Nielsen Company reported that TV viewing in the United States is at an all-time high if one includes the following “three screens”: a television set, a laptop/personal computer, and a cell phone. American children average eight hours a day on TV, video games, movies, the Internet, cell phones, iPods, and other technologies (not including school-related use). Many progressives are concerned about the concentrated control of content by the corporate media, but the mere act of watching TV—regardless of the programming—is the primary pacifying agent (private-enterprise prisons have recognized that providing inmates with cable television can be a more economical method to keep them quiet and subdued than it would be to hire more guards).

Television is a dream come true for an authoritarian society: those with the most money own most of what people see; fear-based television programming makes people more afraid and distrustful of one another, which is good for the ruling elite who depend on a “divide and conquer” strategy; TV isolates people so they are not joining together to create resistance to authorities; and regardless of the programming, TV viewers’ brainwaves slow down, transforming them closer to a hypnotic state that makes it difficult to think critically. While playing a video games is not as zombifying as passively viewing TV, such games have become for many boys and young men their only experience of potency, and this “virtual potency” is certainly no threat to the ruling elite.

8. Fundamentalist Religion and Fundamentalist Consumerism. American culture offers young Americans the “choices” of fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist consumerism. All varieties of fundamentalism narrow one’s focus and inhibit critical thinking. While some progressives are fond of calling fundamentalist religion the “opiate of the masses,” they too often neglect the pacifying nature of America’s other major fundamentalism. Fundamentalist consumerism pacifies young Americans in a variety of ways. Fundamentalist consumerism destroys self-reliance, creating people who feel completely dependent on others and who are thus more likely to turn over decision-making power to authorities, the precise mind-set that the ruling elite loves to see. A fundamentalist consumer culture legitimizes advertising, propaganda, and all kinds of manipulations, including lies; and when a society gives legitimacy to lies and manipulativeness, it destroys the capacity of people to trust one another and form democratic movements. Fundamentalist consumerism also promotes self-absorption, which makes it difficult for the solidarity necessary for democratic movements.

These are not the only aspects of our culture that are subduing young Americans and crushing their resistance to domination. The food-industrial complex has helped create an epidemic of childhood obesity, depression, and passivity. The prison-industrial complex keeps young anti-authoritarians “in line” (now by the fear that they may come before judges such as the two Pennsylvania ones who took $2.6 million from private-industry prisons to ensure that juveniles were incarcerated). As Ralph Waldo Emerson observed: “All our things are right and wrong together. The wave of evil washes all our institutions alike.”

Bruce E. Levine is a clinical psychologist and author of Get Up, Stand Up: Uniting Populists, Energizing the Defeated, and Battling the Corporate Elite (Chelsea Green, 2011). His Web site is http://www.brucelevine.net :

[Negentropic]

Quote:Unite The Many, defeat the few.

That's Mr. Levine's big formula is it? ha ha hee ho ho. He must think he's real smart regurgitating that pathetic nonsense. It's more like Unite the Many, form an easy target & Get Defeated by the Few. That's how it works in reality. Sorry, me Won't Get Fooled Again, me Won't Meet the New Boss, Same As the Old Boss, learned that from a Tavistock supported British buttcrack invasion band (without any of the band members' knowledge, of course) when I was a teenager.

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?


There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss




Collectivist solutions are almost always a bunch of shit as proven over and over again throughout history. Where did all the Marxists collectivist revolutionaries of the 1960s get? Nowhere. And if they do get somewhere, it's just dictatorship under a different name and one with no functioning economy whereas Hitler built an economic miracle in 8 years. That's because National Socialism was Anti-Bankster, against Marxism or Jewish Socialism, it was authoratative Corporate State capitalism fully within the culture of the dominant race in that country. There are no hand-outs but there is a leader who has the interests of the people in mind rather than looting them. A reasonable level (whatever the party in power deems reasonable but also based on the cultural background of the country) of Individual rights exist at the same time that the individual is beholden to the group but chooses to be because he trusts the leader not to screw him over. It's a semi-collectivist solution which might create problems in the future under different leaders, whereas Marxism and communism are full-on collectivism. On principle they always lead to group on group warfare in a mixed economy vulture capitalism and then into the political arena as pressure-group warfare by lobbies. Fascism steps in with their own collective and forcibly stops that nonsesense. The individual pays the price but nowhere to the point of the price paid in Marxist Communist dictatorships where everyone is unnaturally equalized by force and a ruling party funded from banking interests sets the terms of equalization. Non-usurious, non-bankster funded Fascism works to the extent that the basic culture of the country is sound and rooted in intelligent values and the innnovation of the people, as it did in Gemany, but otherwise the price paid by the individual can be too high.

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=35103
Individualism vs Collectivism, The True Debate of Our Time

The only unity is in EXTREME individuality (Libertarianism and Anarchy are not to be confused with libertinism or stupid hedonism or any of that collectivist merge-your-self-into-others-through-following-your-pleasure-rather-than-your-reason nonsense shit into the ground by the hippies and their ilk) people who don't give a shit about alienation but form a silent consenus with millions of other individuals as on the internet right now without having to necessarily get along with them or be their friends. Conformists and brown-nosers of all stripes are the enemy, never the individual minding his own business and refusing to go along with a bunch of other douches. 10 people that might never be friends in face-to-face interaction because of differences in tastes, will still be 'united' in their singular commitment to their own individualities over the internet. It's only when they start joining this group or other or try to form large numbers by supressing their individuality that the problems start. Races are made irrelevant but cultures are not relative, the dominant culture is still the white culture that created the system of individualism and Capitalism, Libertarianism is based on. As long as the other races are also for the same economic system: non-usurious, non-bankster post-Jacksonian free-market capitalism, then there is no problem. If the white native population feels invaded from other cultures in a mixed economy because pressure group warfare forces other alien cultures and ways that violate individual rights onto theirs, then in a true free-market anarchy they don't have to deal with that, since no groups are protected, only individuals. If the white people don't like that, even though it was a system created by their smartest leaders, then tough shit, they should just fuck more and have more white children just like the Mexicans or Moslems they're so worried about. That's why the Jeffersonian American system is such a great system and will not fall, espcially if further fortified by uncompromising Rothbardian Libertarian Anarchist doctrine (rather than the watered down pussified Libertarianism of Ron Paul types) to prevent another full on 1913 type hi-jacking. Jefferson knew what was up, he was no fool.

"What a wretched depravity of sentiment and manners must have prevailed before such corrupt maxims [the Talmud] could have obtained credit! It is impossible to collect from these writings a consistent series of moral Doctrine... It was the reformation of this `wretched depravity' of morals which Jesus undertook."
--Thomas Jefferson - 1743-1826 Letters, Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library


"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
Thomas Jefferson

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves, and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion."
-- Thomas Jefferson [13 April 1743 - 4 July 1826]



Basically, if your goal is to improve the collection of human individuals called 'society' by getting rid of its parasites, outside of National Socialism or Fascism and a responsible leader like Adolf or Benito, people come together over their passion for individuality and individual rights and the celebration of their differences and refusual to give any group privileges over the individual or nothing. It's as simple as that and the Hegelian dialectic pushed on the masses is ALWAYS outside that. That's why when half-asses like Ron Paul come along they can be used to sap any energies building in the right direction.

[Infinite]

My alternate non-P.C. theory - it's cause too many young men have been emasculated by the dominant feminist-influenced culture.

[mexika]

(08-10-2011 09:21 AM)Infinite Wrote:  My alternate non-P.C. theory - it's cause too many young men have been emasculated by the dominant feminist-influenced culture.

I do not think that has any bearing whatsoever.. The same issues affect the femenist as not he none femenisit... both human but with a different brainwash. I think that overall one female alone has more guts than a 100 males conbined. They have balls, well, somewhere and they will use those balls that are somewhere to defend their liberty, pride, dignity, and honor as any other living thing, like in that movie called planet of the apes... okay...

[Negentropic]

Quote: I think that overall one female alone has more guts than a 100 males conbined.

Can you give an example?

Feminism, at least the way it's been practiced, is counterfeit individualism or false independence. It's not real individualism or independence or real liberation. There is no natural independence, everyone has to rely on a social structure to survive, there's only political or financial independence. The female is brainwashed to become 'anti-male' and unnaturally independent from the males that want to 'subjugate' her into a patriarchy raising a family so that she can go become dependent on a boss.

Creativity is rarely the issue since creativity is only rewarded in a rational society and rarely makes people much money under vulture mixed-economy capitalism, but conforming to the business power-structure kissing-up to a boss always does. By becoming dependent on a boss she then might become 'financially independent' if the job is well-paid enough but only by being a slave to that boss and to the next boss and the next one after that. Only recourse she has is to quit one boss and go to the other, same as quitting one man and going to another, except she might take more money with her than from loser husbands. Even if she's her own boss, she's dependent on her workers and customers and advertisers and financing, etc.

There is nothing wrong with any individual female having a career outside of raising kids, in fact, no reason whatsoever why she should necessarily choose to raise kids at all, but when career becomes the only goal at the expense of everything else, at the expense of the feminine which is meant to fuse and synergize with the masculine, just so through flashing some money you can say 'fuck you' to any man trying to make you 'a slave' or 'dependent' then that's beyond neurotic and counterproductive and it's sure to leave one unhappy. And precisely this extreme form of feminism is what is pushed on women 24 hours a day, not the rational kind and it's done on purpose to break families apart, weaken the family unit and make people miserable chasing some retarded 'independence' that doesn't really exist.

[yeti]

(08-04-2011 06:03 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  

Quote:Unite The Many, defeat the few.

That's Mr. Levine's big formula is it? ha ha hee ho ho. He must think he's real smart regurgitating that pathetic nonsense. It's more like Unite the Many, form an easy target & Get Defeated by the Few. That's how it works in reality.

Your reality seems to be that anyone who disagrees with it is worthy of rejection and ridicule. Your rhetoric has marginalized several key points which need to be made.

By the very definition of a movement which has a goal of defeating the few, the goal itself requires a unity of action. Therefore the many must be united in some way.

A huge majority of people will always have an advantage over a tiny minority unless there are unusual circumstances. This does not make the majority an easy target.

Unusual circumstances can change rapidly, therefore rapidly changing the odds of the outcome.

It's quite easy to show that tyrannical minority governments are relatively easy to take out when the vast majority of their subjects are unwilling to comply. This tipping point can occur extremely quickly.

Groups of people united in a common goal do not need to have a uniformity of opinions on irrelevant issues to accomplish their goal. To say otherwise is to ignore history and common sense.

I find your rhetoric to be extremely defeatist and an impediment to accomplishing the clear goals that the vast majority of humanity aspires to.

IOW, you are shilling for the people you claim to despise. This is not the first time I've noticed this about you. You seem to be shilling for them at every opportunity. Why is that?

[mexika]

you know what I mean. Feminism or not or rhetoric... whatever. A female has the power to destroy a society or build a strong one. In the U.S instead of giving a female a place in dignity, they set her up to be in the background and show the world how equal she is..... that is why a female in the U.S has taken the term Feminism by the bigger devils who rule them behind the scenes and in essence has no powers in politics, economics because the male is always dictating what she can or not do, which is not her mind, but the male dog making all decisions. As long as you do not mess with her children, she can probably live by some, but fuk with her children and she will take up political arms, build movements and be her own warrior and she can be trusted when its about her own cause and duty because it comes from her inner self and not from anyone else. May she rise in honor!!

[FastTadpole]

Although it's a complex mechanism of several forces they all amount to a few tactics enacted via various means. Many of which were noted.

Fear
Isolation, Financial, Terrorism, Disease.. reinforced by policy, religion, media, education ..

Distraction
Television, Video Games, Drugs, Sex, Politics, Sports.. Sometimes used as a receptacle to channel dissent. Lots of busywork roles in society that really accomplishes nothing.

Despair
Health reasons, Economic, Depression, Stress..

Division
Infighting and segregation along religious, gender, class, political leaning, racial lines..

Dependence
Construct a society where survival is dependant on interacting with the controlling systems of money, labour, education, food, water, energy, housing ...

Empathy
Government has replaced charity by and large. "Protect the Children". Bullying. Overseas "aid". Green guilt. Starving people has been a driving force for increased control.

Bribery
A reward system to reinforce "good" behaviour. Stickers, Stars, Money, Sex, Social Acceptance, Power, Class Standing..

Force
When all else fails on the persuasion/manipulation angle institutionalization is the mandate. Sometimes elimination is necessary.

Hierarchy
It's a buffered pyramid where those that help keep it up are rewarded so the "slave", can't get to the "king". People that are fat and happy are going to protect what they got. There is always someone or somewhere lower on the totem pole so people that are getting screwed, take a "could be worse" attitude more often than not.




.. and it ain't just the youth. Childhood has been extended by the system itself with education, big daddy jobs and institutionalization in general from prisons to, to military, to schools, to post secondary, to welfare recipients, to government, to structured campus corporate, to psych wards to old age homes.

Much of it is emotional, a lot is the result of control both literal and socially engineered. It's all reinforced by status quo hive/herd mentality.

Turn each of the above around and you break the chains.

[psilocybin]

Wow Mexica, you would think your sensitivity to race issues would flow over into gender ones... way to go.

[Negentropic]

(08-10-2011 03:28 PM)yeti Wrote:  

(08-04-2011 06:03 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  

Quote:Unite The Many, defeat the few.

That's Mr. Levine's big formula is it? ha ha hee ho ho. He must think he's real smart regurgitating that pathetic nonsense. It's more like Unite the Many, form an easy target & Get Defeated by the Few. That's how it works in reality.

Your reality seems to be that anyone who disagrees with it is worthy of rejection and ridicule. Your rhetoric has marginalized several key points which need to be made.

By the very definition of a movement which has a goal of defeating the few, the goal itself requires a unity of action. Therefore the many must be united in some way.

A huge majority of people will always have an advantage over a tiny minority unless there are unusual circumstances. This does not make the majority an easy target.

Unusual circumstances can change rapidly, therefore rapidly changing the odds of the outcome.

It's quite easy to show that tyrannical minority governments are relatively easy to take out when the vast majority of their subjects are unwilling to comply. This tipping point can occur extremely quickly.

Groups of people united in a common goal do not need to have a uniformity of opinions on irrelevant issues to accomplish their goal. To say otherwise is to ignore history and common sense.

I find your rhetoric to be extremely defeatist and an impediment to accomplishing the clear goals that the vast majority of humanity aspires to.

IOW, you are shilling for the people you claim to despise. This is not the first time I've noticed this about you. You seem to be shilling for them at every opportunity. Why is that?

Shill, shill shill, here we go again. Where have I heard that before if not a thousand & one times? As soon as you bring up any notions or lines of thought people are in the least bit uncomfortable about, you're a shill. It's the anti-semite of the conspiracy movement now that anti-semite doesn't work anymore. How about I disagree with you and neither of us are shills but can find potential common ground as distinct individuals?

I'm not collectivist in anything, I take the principle all the way out. But if I'm forced to be collectivist by powers out of my control then I'll take fascism over communism or Islamic fundamentalism any day. The problem with Fascism is that most people don't understand the reality of what it actually was due to the massive post-war 24-7 demonizing propaganda against it. Fascism was a reaction against Jew bankster power, just like Alex Jones, G. Edward Griffin and Ron Paul, except it didn't take any shit whatsoever and didn't pretend these Jew bankers were controlled by 'German Death Cults' or 'Illuminati' or the Vatican..

As far as individualism goes, I don't just go half-way out and then say, beyond this point we've got to become a collective, a group, a tribe and apply the pressure of numbers. That's what the post 1913 American system already is and it's been corrupted thorougly.

Hitler, Mussolini and fascism were a collectivist success. Germany under Hitler became an economic powerhouse in just 8 years, that's just an undeniable fact of history. To what degree that corporate-state dominant-culture-based collectivism would have become individualistic given many decades of continued success will never be known because of WWII. Most other 'fascisms' since then have been puppet-mastered in one way or another.

If it wasn't for WWII and the deliberate destruction of Germany then anti-International-bankster fascism would still be around because they would have used force to keep what they didn't want out of their country. Andrew Jackson did the same in the U.S. but the system stayed vulnerable and was attacked during Lincoln and the civil war and the imposition of the unconstitutional income tax and then got completely taken over by 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act.

As for it being easy to prove that tyrannical governments are 'easy to take out' when the tipping point is reached. I don't know about that. I don't see any 'tipping point' being reached in the U.S. or anywhere else and when you have 'enemy combatant' arrests and imprisonment in offshore prisons under the Patriot Act with no access to a lawyer and no charges necessary, TSA feeling up kids and cops tasering people to death, LSD chemists getting 2 life sentences, that's pretty tyrannical, the next step is outright gulags. The tipping point of the Soviet Union never came and when it was deliberately dismantled there was no blood, only billionaire Jews placed in strategic positions.

A fully documented history of a tipping point that was reached, the uprising that followed and how it got crushed:

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THE Hungarian uprising of 1956 was a spontaneous rebellion by a nation against the rule from Moscow - against the faceless, indifferent, incompetent functionaries (the 'funkies' David Irving calls them, adapting the Hungarian word funkcionáriusók) who in little more than a decade had turned their country into a pit of Marxist misery. But this fluttering of a national spirit was brief: the Soviet Union crushed the uprising with a brutality that shocked the western world.

The full story has never before been told. David Irving's search for material and documents took him to the great cities of the northern hemisphere. He questioned survivors in Moscow, Munich, Geneva, Paris, London, New York, Verona, Rome and Madrid - he obtained clearance of previously un-obtainable records in Washington relating to the role of the CIA, Radio Free Europe, and United States diplomacy. In Kansas he worked through the records of Eisenhower, American president at the time. In Toronto he found and interviewed Budapest's police chief, who had been recently amnestied from life imprisonment by the Hungarians.

Irving was officially permitted to visit Budapest several times. He traced and talked with eye-witnesses and survivors there and obtained new documents and photographs from them. He questioned the men who had been kidnapped, exiled, imprisoned and put on trial with the Prime Minister, Imre Nagy, who was sentenced to death, as well as members of Nagy's family.

It is Irving's assessment of Imre Nagy that will, perhaps, raise eyebrows, as well as his discovery among official records of evidence that anti-Semitism was one of the motors of the popular discontent. He has made use of hundreds of interrogation reports prepared at the time by American agencies, and supports this material with the diaries of diplomats and western journalists who went into Hungary.

The result is a compelling autopsy of a failed rebellion. Irving offers views from inside the council chambers of the powerful as well as from street level. The rebels are given names, personalities and profiles thanks to the detailed records of the American psychiatrists who saw them. It is a book with a cast of ten million, a study that counterpoints concrete examples with humour as David Irving shows just how a rebellious urge could erupt from within a nation.

pdf of entire book here:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Uprising/

Almost any revolt or riot seems to have been foreseen and planned for way ahead of time. Would those stupid-ass riots in England that had nothing to do with anti-NWO sentiment have happened to the extent they did if so many foreigners hadn't been imported into the country? I doubt it. They were pissed off that a minority got killed as they're programmed by the media to do. If a white guy got killed, they might have even celebrated.

Without the internet I would have no idea who you or any of these other guys in the 'truth movement' are unless I joined a party and then that party would ostracize anyone out that had individualistic views that disagreed with the agenda of the party or the party line. The great thing about the internet is that in many ways it restores the U.S. system of individualism in a zone where it can't be touched without shutting the internet down and spreads it to the entire world. People get banned on one forum or website and go to another or start their own. Then people who had many differences before, after a period of growth find enough similarities to help each other out without having to leave their house. Millions picketing didn't stop the Iraq war but millions of individuals on the internet led by thousands of blogs and forums expose new events or 'false-flags' in the alternative media within a matter of days. This offers tremendous hope that individualism will prevail against the oppressive systems and first and foremost the International Banking Cartel as it has done in the distant past. BUT barring that then when the shit hits the fan, and that when is already now it seems, it still remains a fact that the surgical knife of fascism has worked in the past and may work again in the future. It's collectivism but it's sure as shit preferable to communism, fundamentalist Islam or a Jew World Order worldwide tyranny and bankster enforced worldwide electronic grid. I'd much rather have individualism and true-Anarchy or authentic no-compromise Rothbardian libertarianism that fool-proofs the Jeffersonian system prevail but that's not necessarily realistic when you have a wimp like Ron Paul leading the charge. Under true libertarianism, civil rights is out the door and anyone that wants to discriminate based on race or any other reason is free to do so and lose 'customers' or face ostracism by those who do not subscribe to similar views. Does Ron Paul have to balls to say this? No. Does Ron Paul have the balls to say who owns the FED, as in NAMING the banks one by one and what specific group the leaders belong to? No. Does Ron Paul expose 9-11 for the false-flage and fraud it was? No. Would Hitler act like Ron Paul? Hell no! Would a Libertarian leader that had Hitler's balls or Andrew Jackson's balls be a 100% improvement over Ron Paul. Yes. Would a person with those kind of balls, as Alex Jones pretends to be, ignore the real history of WWII and deliberately not expose it when it's the single most propagandized and lied-about period of history? fat chance


'Till the false is seen as the false, truth is not.' Krishnamurti

[Negentropic]

A collection of individuals together to protect inalienable individual rights, same as the one laid down in the U.S. constitution, that's not collectivism, that's individualism. Individualism is based on principle not how many people are for it or that the people 'voted' on it. Nobody voted on it except the very smart people who worked it out, then the masses followed and suddenly discovered that gee wiz holy shit, it actually works! The more people are for it, or understand the value of such a system as opposed to institutionalized group warfare of a mixed economy vulture capitalism, like the majority of people in the European countries, the more likely that they'll have it but if due to dumbing down of everyeone the process takes too long then fascism takes over and gets the job done using easier to relate to nationhood and blood and race and whatever.

Collectives of Individualists are not fighting for group privileges at the expense of the individual as all other collectives do but for the rights of the individual which protects all, of all races and creeds as long as they agree to the basic tenets. If the sexists or religious want all women to be modest and not whore or slut, tough shit they can't force that lifestyle on anyone, not even their own daughters, they can only exercise their free speech, persuasion or ostracism, not physical threats or force. If the white supremacists don't like it, tough shit, they have the freedom not to deal with anyone they don't want to deal with. If the blacks and Mexicans don't like it because they don't get any more hand-outs or affirmitive action or welfare, that's tough shit too. If the Moslems don't like it because it doesn't conform to 'sharia law' then they can move right the fuck out. Religious freedom does not include the right to violate individual rights without the individual's consent and certainly not a child's rights either. If the Jews don't like it because it doesn't allow them usurious banking practices and turning different groups of goyim against one another, they can shove it. Basically people are free to discriminate all the want on their own property and use free speech to ostracize all they want but not to initiate their own or government monopolized legalized force to get themselves group or 'collective' privileges.

Read Rothbard's book "For A New Liberty," it's all logically worked out there without any bullshit Ron Paul type compromises.


http://mises.org/rothbard/newlibertywhole.asp#p73

[R.R]

You left out Organisation Fasttadpole.

Quote:This ruling class requires the support of a group more numerous than themselves in order to have their wishes carried out and maintain control over the subject population. Mosca goes so far as to say that the ruling class would not be able to function without this underclass but this is not, according to Mosca, the source of its power; the source is organisation. In fact because the rulers are so small in numbers, they have to resort to organisation to survive and this triumphs over a larger group of people who are a disconnected totality of individuals working for different goals. The ruling class essentially becomes a hive mind which is actually easier to maintain due to its scarcity in numbers, which improves decision making speed giving it a distinct advantage over a larger group of people who have to factor in many disjointed opinions before reaching a decision on what to do next. Naturally as the rulers are directing society in their image, the concept of favourable attributes that are highly influential in society are often best displayed by the rulers themselves further perpetuating their rule.

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid203427

To stop the masses becoming organised amongst themselves, the ruling elites implement the various methods you listed. The key method has always been divide and conquer, this thread itself is a great example of that. Basically the rulers seem to have a clear vision of where they want to go and have the means to implement their dictates. Even if the public had these means, they would be so busy arguing about irrelevant matters that nothing would be done. I respect a lot of Mexica's input on this forum but I have no idea where this conclusion comes from:

Mexica Wrote:you know what I mean. Feminism or not or rhetoric... whatever. A female has the power to destroy a society or build a strong one. In the U.S instead of giving a female a place in dignity, they set her up to be in the background and show the world how equal she is..... that is why a female in the U.S has taken the term Feminism by the bigger devils who rule them behind the scenes and in essence has no powers in politics, economics because the male is always dictating what she can or not do, which is not her mind, but the male dog making all decisions.

Can you cite examples of a female or females destroying and building a society?

The male may dictate to the female politically and economically but that same male also dictates to every other male not belonging to his gang. It is domination pure and simple - another aspect of divide and conquer, whch also entails that the conquered remain divided. We need to get rid of these spurious philosphies which are also portrayed as spontaneous movements yet when you research their origins, they are totally intertwined with the power structures that modern advocates of these very same philosophies are against. For instance Annie Besant - Theosophy, feminism, Co-Masonry, root-races evolving into higher races. Margarat Sanger - feminism, eugenics, abortion, population control, racial hygiene.

I refuse to be judged by a collectivist mindset that thinks that the debaucherous elites are representative of all males. Based on a rejection of collectivist generalisations, I have to ask where are the examples of this:

Mexica Wrote:As long as you do not mess with her children, she can probably live by some, but fuk with her children and she will take up political arms, build movements and be her own warrior and she can be trusted when its about her own cause and duty because it comes from her inner self and not from anyone else. May she rise in honor!!

Yes may she rise because that type of woman does not exist or is certainly not readily viewable beyond comic books such as Wonder Woman or Superwoman. It is definately not seen in the number of single mother welfare queens - the ones where such attributes would be extremely useful.

I equate feminism with the American Dream; a simple set of unattainable and unrealistic goals that motivate the gullible worker to give up their skills for the very same elites that have held them down instead of using those abilities to benefit their families and communities.

[Negentropic]

Libertarian Individualism as a fool-proofing of the Jeffersonian one that was corrupted both protects the smallest minority, the individual, but also has the potential to become the largest collective, since no matter what differences people have, they all still remain individuals and have their individual inalienable rights as human beings and the natural desire to protect those rights in common. Under individualism, a multi-racial society can never become oppressive since no group is given the power to force their ways through government legalized force on any other group but they are free to be racists to their heart's content and associate only with others of their own race and gain the advantages or suffer the consequences which are only ostracism from other races. So if a Mexican refuses to serve a White man in his restaurant then he can expect no other white customers or service in White establishments when this becomes known. After a while, most people realize that acting this way is irrational and limits their alternatives and their success so they become more tolerant. HOWEVER, this does not mean that the society becomes 'multi-cultural' because the language and mores of whatever culture becomes dominant through creative ability and industry alone in this free exchange of goods and services also becomes the one most people naturally turn to because it's to their rational benefit. If they don't they are free to do so but the detterant is economic, not legal, they pay the price for any irrationality; in a fair system like that, the dominant culture EARNS their dominance

[rockingtheboat]

mexica wrote :

Quote:Time passed, I got to see the front lines consisted mostly of African American and Indigenous Brown Mexicans and Native people, yet in school, they would never dared to show us that we too as brown and black had outstanding Super Heroes with Purple Hearts and Valiant Medal of Honors.

WAOW...just WAOW...

"Super heroes" for what ?. For going 9000 miles away terrorizing people on behalf of the ruling class to steal their natural ressources and to tighten the noose around their neck ?. Maybe you meant to write "Super house-negroes".

That kind of grievance - which I hear it a lot from house-negroes who are absolutely convinced that they are field negroes - just shows how deep-seated and well-done the indoctrination of the house-negro is.

Quote:Super Heroes with Purple Hearts and Valiant Medal of Honors

The slave who is very well indoctrinated is always thirsty for some official recognition from his master. In this case, the slave is idolizing some made-in-china cheap symbols just because they are handed to him by his master. The slave, happy to be a slave, start salivating at the sight of those symbols like a dog who starts salivating when his master gives him some biscuits. (disclaimer : I mean no offense to the dog animal, for he is an honorable animal created by Allah (swt)).

[mexika]

(08-19-2011 09:30 PM)rockingtheboat Wrote:  mexica wrote :

Quote:Time passed, I got to see the front lines consisted mostly of African American and Indigenous Brown Mexicans and Native people, yet in school, they would never dared to show us that we too as brown and black had outstanding Super Heroes with Purple Hearts and Valiant Medal of Honors.

WAOW...just WAOW...

"Super heroes" for what ?. For going 9000 miles away terrorizing people on behalf of the ruling class to steal their natural ressources and to tighten the noose around their neck ?. Maybe you meant to write "Super house-negroes".

That kind of grievance - which I hear it a lot from house-negroes who are absolutely convinced that they are field negroes - just shows how deep-seated and well-done the indoctrination of the house-negro is.

Quote:Super Heroes with Purple Hearts and Valiant Medal of Honors

The slave who is very well indoctrinated is always thirsty for some official recognition from his master. In this case, the slave is idolizing some made-in-china cheap symbols just because they are handed to him by his master. The slave, happy to be a slave, start salivating at the sight of those symbols like a dog who starts salivating when his master gives him some biscuits. (disclaimer : I mean no offense to the dog animal, for he is an honorable animal created by Allah (swt)).

who is the better savage than those who send that animal to fight and terrorize if not the pirates in the homeland.