Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'

[drummer]

R.R WROTE

Quote:5:56-6:36 is absolutely hilarious!!!!

you dont belive in the thunderbirds style tracey island mountain complex ?

[Beostein]

(05-05-2011 01:17 AM)burtlancast Wrote:  I will bet my bottom dollar all this farce was orchestrated for creating false evidence from Osama's computers.
They are going to use this bogus evidence for whatever purpose they wish.

Riddle solved.

That's exactly what worried me when I read about the computers taken for examination in order to determine if future terrorist attacks are in store. Just felt like another excuse to break out more red or should I say brown scare tactics (dry enough humor for all I hope).
"We even found the terrorists secret evil plans on his computer which we will not show you. Just trust us!" -Douchebags
Anyways I'm siding with the idea that Osama died years ago. Especially with all the compilation/fake Bin Laden videos by our government and so many stating his death in the past.

Did anyone else notice that in the pictures of the inside of the compound in Osama's bedroom with the blood spots seen here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/201...-aftermath Video of the room seen here: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bin-lade...e-13507598
that there didn't seem to be any medical equipment for him to receive dialysis to stay alive? Living in a secret compound I don't think you would be going to the hospital for dialysis all the time lol! So what gives on that especially with the possibility that he had been living there for years??? And I doubt the equipment would have been somewhere other than his bedroom although it is possible. There has been no mention of medical equipment in the compound in any articles as far as I know.

The only things I'm trying to figure out is that his "family was there". It's the one aspect that makes me wonder if he was actually there or never was there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may...ghter-held
Quote, "The girl and her mother are believed to be at a high-security military hospital." It didn't mention whether it was a Pakistani or American military hospital that they were being held at due to injuries (guess it will be hard to find them and ask wtf happened?). Why did they need to go to a high-security military hospital anyways? It's not like "Al-qaeda" is after them so I'm assuming that if they really are there, they are being/will be questioned/interrogated/tortured/(or most likely debriefed)? Can we even be sure that they were really there at the compound at all? Seems like an easy way to convince people it was really him when members of the family were there as well as several other witnesses. "I mean come on if anyone would know Osama it would be his family!". However the only member of the family that is actually 100% proven to have been there (to my knowledge) is one of his sons. Only the Pakistani Security and U.S. assault squad at this point have had any contact with the witnesses alive in the compound (and maybe the only ones to actually see those people). The son was shot dead and photographed and is shown in the compound pictures in this link http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/...NTCMP=SRCH (care it's horrible). Funny how they will allow the pictures of other dead persons at the compound (including his own son) but "fear backlash" if showing OBL.

Ok so been reading more and I jumped the gun on the "photos of dead son". I had read under the photos that they were unidentified, but had read three people were killed (other than OBL) including his son and assumed one of the pics was of him. I've now been reading articles that 5 others were killed his son and a wife not being shown; therefore he is probably not one of them (sorry!). Also turns out that the witnesses (mostly children it seems now?) were taken to the military hospital of Rawalpindi. Also saying that the wife was interrogated. The 12 year old daughter claiming to have witnessed the capture and killing of OBL is also being questioned. These added to other read articles about the family members living in the compound is shooting holes in my crackpot uncertainties written above about the family really being there or not. But if they were there I feel it sways me to believe OBL really could have been there.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/20...47782.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/0...0338.shtml

[SiLVa]

LOL now the head of the CIA says that the video that they were supposedly watching of the raid, cut out and they never actually did see the killing like they claimed to at 1st...
This is becoming more and more of a joke as every day passes. More and more lies, and distortions being uncovered every day.

http://govtslaves.info/2011/05/05/lies-n...den-raids/

[April]

nice find silva!

[R.R]

(05-05-2011 02:16 AM)drummer Wrote:  R.R WROTE

Quote:5:56-6:36 is absolutely hilarious!!!!

you dont belive in the thunderbirds style tracey island mountain complex ?

haha

Maybe Thunderbirds was predictive programming for such things!

[Infinite]

The messed up thing is that from what I observe most people don't really care whether the assassination was actually real or not. They just believe that it is and any facts that counter that are ignored and the messenger is attacked. Perhaps even violently if you said it to the wrong person. Obama's approval rating and the approval rating for the wars have gone up a lot from this, they were at around 60% yesterday. At the end of the day Americans don't really care if this story was true or not, the story makes them feel good. They feel proud to be Americans and they're willing to reaffirm and continue their support of the military killing innocent people in the Middle East. The majority of Americans are terrorists going by the polls.

[April]

Your right Infinite!

I've been up to my neck in private message facebook debates with high school friends for several days now. When bin laden was first originally pronounced dead.... many of my old school friends where partying up their status comments and cheering on the killing! It was so confounding and depressing to see, yet simple to debate! The mainstream news practically seems to revitalize their opinions!! Their debates, (at least the ones I'm experiencing,) are easily debunk-able, and filled with inaccuracies.... but their mindsets are filled with all the denial that it takes to keep these lies superficial! The division is so thick! *sad face...

A Hitler quote: "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

[Beostein]

(05-05-2011 01:17 AM)burtlancast Wrote:  I will bet my bottom dollar all this farce was orchestrated for creating false evidence from Osama's computers.
They are going to use this bogus evidence for whatever purpose they wish.

Riddle solved.

Bingo burtlancast Looks like we were spot on unfortunately...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...da3ccf9448
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml2tGNpGCts
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-...d=13536789
http://www.business-standard.com/india/n.../134216/on

[Beostein]

(05-06-2011 07:19 AM)Infinite Wrote:  At the end of the day Americans don't really care if this story was true or not, the story makes them feel good. They feel proud to be Americans and they're willing to reaffirm and continue their support of the military killing innocent people in the Middle East. The majority of Americans are terrorists going by the polls.

I have a buddy redneck in the marines who is such a stereotypical american and I brought up yesterday death of Bin Laden. He is completely serious, except for the very last comment made was a joke stating "it does as it's told (referring to me)". Thought his input fit your statements made above and would make you laugh.
[You]
So I've been raving about the assassination
[Dan]
Report · 5:20pm
of who?
[You]
Report · 5:21pm
osama
[Dan]
Report · 5:21pm
dont you mean justce
[You]
Report · 5:21pm
check out my wall if you're interested tons of links and information
justice? yes in a sense
he did commit some acts of terrorism
[Dan]
Report · 5:22pm
sry dont read liberal propaganda
[You]
Report · 5:22pm
but I don't believe he did 9/11
Sorry I don't read government/corporate/military propoganda?
[Dan]
Report · 5:23pm
thats because your too open minded
[You]
Report · 5:23pm
hehehe maybe
[Dan]
Report · 5:24pm
it does what its told

[burtlancast]

(05-06-2011 09:14 AM)Beostein Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 01:17 AM)burtlancast Wrote:  I will bet my bottom dollar all this farce was orchestrated for creating false evidence from Osama's computers.
They are going to use this bogus evidence for whatever purpose they wish.

Riddle solved.

Bingo burtlancast Looks like we were spot on unfortunately...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...da3ccf9448
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml2tGNpGCts
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-...d=13536789
http://www.business-standard.com/india/n.../134216/on

Yes, we both were.
I believe this is just a preamble to military interventions in other oil rich countries based on this sham evidence and it's ramifications.

Once one knows their modus operandum, it becomes easy to anticipate their moves.

[FastTadpole]

(05-06-2011 07:19 AM)Infinite Wrote:  The messed up thing is that from what I observe most people don't really care whether the assassination was actually real or not. They just believe that it is and any facts that counter that are ignored and the messenger is attacked. Perhaps even violently if you said it to the wrong person. Obama's approval rating and the approval rating for the wars have gone up a lot from this, they were at around 60% yesterday. At the end of the day Americans don't really care if this story was true or not, the story makes them feel good. They feel proud to be Americans and they're willing to reaffirm and continue their support of the military killing innocent people in the Middle East. The majority of Americans are terrorists going by the polls.

Polls lie although there has been increased support and the polls do tend to encourage the herd to come on board with agendas such as Jack Bauer style torture, patriot act laws, military investment (Private Tax Funded Military, The Drone Program, CIA/NSA Intel Support, advancing CYBERCOM / "Perfect Citizen" security initiatives and national force funding and recruitment), the invasion of Pakistan, presidential support on policies across the board, fosters anti-Muslim sentiments and props the a skewed sense of "us vs them" nationalism.

In the economic game it gives a temporary boost to the US dollar to squeeze more out of the illusion. It staves off total USD collapse (at least until the FED contract expires on Dec 23rd 2012) in tandem with degrading the Euro, holding back the yuan and yen to make it appear relatively strong before a QE3 injection to benefit the 'elite' only club, at least psychologically.

As I posted above the information is set up like the JFK conspiracy, the 9/11 'Truth' movement and any number of MSM/fake alt-media conspiracy culture memes to divide and distract; while at the same time railroading the herd, domestic and foreign, inter and intra factionally to be at odds and drive a wedge deeper.

As always there is enough copy pasted and saturated information out there on the internet from all angles to support and justify any argument for anyone and have people confident their world view is correct. That's status-quo for how the internet (and other media culture) is being used -- polar compartmentalized niche discussions limit the scope of discussion and bias/omit/support spin viewpoints. Entrenching hardliners' pompous opinion being the inevitable result.

It doesn't matter who is right or wrong in this instance the way it is being spun, the public reaction and the government/corporate policies being installed is the real story tucked away behind a fairy tale peppered with unverifiable truths.

Mine and a whole wide range of opinions on supporting the troops ConCen style here in this thread discussion.

Why I Don't Support the Troops
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=32752

[drummer]

By Orlando Parfitt | Yahoo! News – Wed, May 4, 2011

When Osama bin Laden was killed earlier this week, US officials said DNA testing and facial recognition software proved they had got their man.

However, the lack of actual documentation released to the public (so far), and the fact he was buried at sea so quickly, has predictably seen an explosion of conspiracy theories dreamt up by doubters, or ‘deathers’ – as they’ve have now been dubbed. Here are just a few of them.


1. He must be still alive because there’s no proof

The lack of photos, videos and other evidence, plus inconsistencies in accounts of the raid that killed him, apparently shows the US government made the whole thing up.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid is one doubter. He released a statement to journalists saying: “This news is only coming from one side, from Obama’s office, and America has not shown any evidence or proof to support this claim.” Iranian State television also declared: "the mystery [of his death] has increased”.

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in the Iraq war, also disputed the news on Facebook. She said: "I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you're stupid. Just think to yourself - they paraded Saddam's dead sons around to prove they were dead - why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent - just put your flags away and THINK!"

Naturally, several other Facebook pages made by skeptics have been set up, while searches for "osama bin laden not dead," "osama bin laden still alive" and "bin laden not dead" on Yahoo! spiked off the charts on Monday.

Our figures show most of the searchers of "bin laden conspiracy" were from the US states of Oregon, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Indiana and New Jersey.

2. He’s already dead

Ever since the September 11 attacks there have been numerous reports of bin Laden’s death. Back in 2001 Fox News reported he’d died of lung complications in Tora Bora. In 2005 Senator Harry Reid suggested bin Laden was killed in the Pakistan earthquake, while in 2007 Benazir Bhutto said the al-Qaeda boss was murdered by Pakistani militant Omar Sheikh.

Conspiracy theorists reckon official news of his death was kept from the public to continue justifying the war on terror, with the US government periodically releasing fake videos of the terror leader to keep the world convinced. The theory is that because the powers that be didn’t need bin Laden as a terrorist ‘boogieman’ anymore, they finally announced his death.

3. He was taken alive

Controversial Fox News talk show host Glenn Beck is famous for his conspiracy theories and gave a couple of suggestions about bin Laden’s death on his radio show. Firstly, he speculated that Obama ‘ghosted out’ the al-Qaeda leader - which means the Navy SEALs made it look like he was killed when actually he was taken alive, presumably to be interrogated.

4. He knew about a nuclear bomb

Beck’s other theory was that bin Laden was captured to stop him revealing the location of al-Qaeda’s nuclear bomb. This is reference to WikiLeaks documents that show US security officials briefed other countries on the possibility the terror group had a dirty bomb. Beck didn’t explain why the US government would do this.

5. He’s been ‘on ice’ for years

Another controversial US radio host Alex Jones said the US concocted the story to justify a security crackdown. He reckons bin Laden was killed back in 2002 and his body has been “literally frozen” to be rolled out at a later date.

6. He was given up by Pakistan

Website Maggie’s Farm quotes ‘speculation’ (though they don’t name sources) that, contrary to the reports the US acted alone, Pakistan actually knew all all about Osama’s location and offered up the al-Qaeda leader as a “sweetener” to speed US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

7. He was killed as a pretext for war in Pakistan

David Icke doesn’t agree though. No round-up of conspiracy theories would be complete without a contribution from Icke, who has written extensively about the event on his website. One of his theories is that the killing was fabricated to give the US a reason to actually invade Pakistan because they were harbouring the terror chief. War with China, he suggests, then Russia, will follow. Let’s hope he’s wrong.

8. He was killed to revive Obama’s poll ratings

Barack Obama’s presidency has been a difficult one. Universal healthcare, the budget deficit, high unemployment and fuel costs have resulted in low poll ratings and defeat for the Democrats at last year’s mid-terms, when the Republicans took the House of Representatives.

What better way then, some bloggers have argued, to get those poll ratings up than by suddenly killing America’s most wanted man? Writing on a Tea Party website, one conspiracy theorist said: "Don't you think Obama needs something to assure his re-election?"

9. He was killed to trump Trump

There’s no love lost between Donald Trump and Obama, with the property tycoon reviving the issue of the president’s birth certificate last week. Obama responded by first mocking Trump at the White House correspondents’ annual dinner. Then, when the time came for the bin Laden announcement, ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ had to be interrupted on NBC. The host? Donald Trump.

10. His killing was delayed for the Royal Wedding

The close proximity of the Royal Wedding and the death of bin Laden inevitably means some conspiracy theorists have linked the two events.

Firstly, a security expert told The Daily Express that the reason Wills and Kate postponed their honeymoon - possibly to Jordan – was because they had a tip-off on Friday about the upcoming events in Pakistan.

There’s also been speculation that the White House, who could have killed bin Laden on Friday, delayed pulling the trigger for two days in order for the two events not to clash.

11. His date of death is spooky

Osama bin Laden’s death was announced exactly eight years after George W Bush made his now infamous ‘Mission Accomplished’ announcement. Even spookier, it happened 66 years and 6 hours after the world learned about the death of Hitler. That’s 666.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-laden...ories.html

[Infinite]

(05-06-2011 11:54 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  As I posted above the information is set up like the JFK conspiracy, the 9/11 'Truth' movement and any number of MSM/fake alt-media conspiracy culture memes to divide and distract; while at the same time railroading the herd, domestic and foreign, inter and intra factionally to be at odds and drive a wedge deeper.

As always there is enough copy pasted and saturated information out there on the internet from all angles to support and justify any argument for anyone and have people confident their world view is correct. That's status-quo for how the internet (and other media culture) is being used -- polar compartmentalized niche discussions limit the scope of discussion and bias/omit/support spin viewpoints. Entrenching hardliners' pompous opinion being the inevitable result.

No because there is a process one goes through in order to verify whether information is true or at least likely to be true or not. There is such thing as the truth, it's not just all relative or anything like that. That's not a more enlightened view it's actually the opposite. 1 plus 1 equals 2 for example is not a matter of opinion. So much evidence verifies the conspiratorial versions of things like the JFK assassination and 9/11 and the people who refuse to acknowledge that information are called sheeple because they truly don't care what the facts are and are only interested in preserving their own ideology and false view of things.

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(05-06-2011 10:23 AM)Beostein Wrote:  I have a buddy redneck in the marines who is such a stereotypical american and I brought up yesterday death of Bin Laden. He is completely serious, except for the very last comment made was a joke stating "it does as it's told (referring to me)". Thought his input fit your statements made above and would make you laugh.

It doesn't make me laugh though. You should reconsider if this guy is really your buddy or not. This shit is not a joke, if you were a person living in a foreign country rather than America just minding your business he would blow your head off if he was ordered to. In fact he might even being willing to take the real you in America out as well if he was ordered to for whatever reason even though the scenario is unlikely.

[Beostein]

Infinite Wrote:  It doesn't make me laugh though. You should reconsider if this guy is really your buddy or not. This shit is not a joke, if you were a person living in a foreign country rather than America just minding your business he would blow your head off if he was ordered to. In fact he might even being willing to take the real you in America out as well if he was ordered to for whatever reason even though the scenario is unlikely.

I was actually expecting a response like this considering the seriousness of the issue (I still think it's worth a giggle due to my black humor). We have been friends since early high school years. He was always a redneck (patriotic, sexist, and racist at times), but he didn't use to be this bad honestly. Throughout our friendship I constantly challenged his beliefs and he was always capable of logical debate. It wasn't until he joined the marines (go figure) that he's lost his grip on issues he had made personal growth on. I've constantly reconsidered our relationship since he joined and melted into the life of a marine. I'm crossing my fingers hoping he solidifies again and I'm not quite ready to give up.

[TheQleaner]