Internet Debating of 'Conspiracy Theory' on Message Boards

[jack]

I usually feel as tho I don't accomplish much when debating on message boards, but one must remember that even tho some of the louder members seem to disagree and debunk you - there are still plenty or readers that have seeds placed into the thick skulls, even the debunkers must roll the ideas around when they are off line.

That said, I rarely link back to concen bc quite frankly, I feel that their presence here would be undesirable for the current users. That they would be no more than trouble makers, spamers and hackers. - Tho if I come across a perceptive open minded person I most def try and corral them over here.

[mastermg]

Whenever I debate with anyone, it gets personal lol.

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Quote:I usually feel as tho I don't accomplish much when debating on message boards, but one must remember that even tho some of the louder members seem to disagree and debunk you - there are still plenty or readers that have seeds placed into the thick skulls, even the debunkers must roll the ideas around when they are off line.

That said, I rarely link back to concen bc quite frankly, I feel that their presence here would be undesirable for the current users. That they would be no more than trouble makers, spamers and hackers. - Tho if I come across a perceptive open minded person I most def try and corral them over here.

That's my conception of it too - we take a small organised away team and having discussed and deciphered what is fact from unsubstantiated claims, we show the debunkers for the loud mouthed coyotes they invariably are - in the hope that the lurkers reading the threads might see that there is something worth looking into...

An exercise in putting these loud mouthed debunkers in their place for a change - they monopolise discussion in non conspiracy centred forums when a conspiracy is dared to be mentioned. They ridicule and insult and thereby scare many away from even considering the information.

It would be concen commando raids.

I agree it is important not to link back to here for the reasons stated (mmstick;))

Jack, you understand the concept perfectly..

are you interested?

I'm going to post up a list of prospective forums to engage. Start a discussion upon the form a group might take - how we first set about collating our data. How we interact as an away team. What hallmarks, if any, for this..

but that is a longet post and I will get on it doing it very soon..

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Quote:Whenever I debate with anyone, it gets personal lol.

We work out how to avoid that that beforehand - how to deal with the loud shit brained debunker who just wants to troll - I am pretty good at making them back off without resorting to flaming.. I could post in a thread where you were getting flamed and back you up some... stuff like this..

it's worth discussion and it might be fun and help wake some more people up to the worthiness of actually checking the info out rather than writing it off as nonsense...

are you interested?:)

[SiLVa]

Im interested.

IMO...Playing good cop/bad cop sometimes works too.

The strongly opinionated antagonist guy pulls them in with the back-up of a more terse and to the point factual presenter of info that brings the calm, collected POV. It is a bit manipulative I admit, and not something Id always recommend, but it works.
People need to identify with the person bringing the info, and people may feel like they cant stand one of us but may be more willing to hear out the other.

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Quote:Im interested.

IMO...Playing good cop/bad cop sometimes works too.

The strongly opinionated antagonist guy pulls them in with the back-up of a more terse and to the point factual presenter of info that brings the calm, collected POV. It is a bit manipulative I admit, and not something Id always recommend, but it works.
People need to identify with the person bringing the info, and people may feel like they cant stand one of us but may be more willing to hear out the other.

Sounds good - groups of 3 or 4 or so maybe?

I think one major thing is that the info is disseminated here first and checked as thoroughly as possible, so we can weed out the crap that people might try and focus in on..

Concen would obviously be the base camp to discuss as well rather than the message board where the case is being represented..

It would be important not to link back to here too. In fact, unless we can find a secure spot where it is not easy for people to pry, when it's up and running we should discuss via PM's here - it's not ideal in terms of conferencing and makes things awkward, there's also skype which can be utilised..

It's not being so manipulative imo - it's just a design to fend off attack from idiots..

I've been looking around at boards in the last few days and time and time again the lone voice that dares to put forward their views that 911 was a demolition or what have you are pounced on from all sides - conspiracy theorists are viewed as easy targets to rag upon - it's just self defence we're proposing:)

[mastermg]

Sure im interested, ill see what I can do. Im already signed up at WP, kinda shyed away though due to me being NT and not really fitting in.

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I think probably a lot of people on WP are NT's too - It seems to be cool to be an aspie or something - I'm going to get it checked out asap and found out either way..

It's a good place to cut your teeth in debating people on the internet though..


*adopts monty burns voice again* eggsalent

So, I'm up for it, you are, Hans, Silva, NSM (!), mmstick expresses an interest - it's a good start.maybe I forgot someone? If so - sorry, I didn't read back the thread just now.

I'm hoping we can entice a few other CC regulars into this endeavour - but maybe we need to get the ball rolling first... hmm

So, before we get down to details and strategems, topics and facts - do we start off small or large?

Personally, I'm in favour of going large and taking on the Randi forum or Skepdics point blank *shrugs*

I think it could be a lot of fun but not without some legwork too - bring on the stuff of Legends :nuts::ph34r:

[SiLVa]

LOL...Im so down. Let me know where you decide to make the stand. But it sounds good, I like your attitude nik.

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Quote:LOL...Im so down. Let me know where you decide to make the stand. But it sounds good, I like your attitude nik.

It's not 'a stand' we're after it's more like a deep reconnaissance/direct action unit heading into the bush, in my mind :D

[Hans Olo]

Some suggestions of priorities:

- getting the info out
Even if you don't win the argument, don't convince anyone (well you never know who's reading), you provided a solid body of evidence, links to sources, a good argument. Someone might read it later and say, wait a minute

- making new friends / getting our allies out of the closet
If you make a good argument, you might get unexpected help from the other side. So many people are beginning to wake up, but are afraid to say anything. They might read a comment and feel inclined to show themselves. If you make this happen, 100 points for you.

- learn the craft
Rhetoric is a good thing to learn and helpful in any situation. The other side is usually terrible at it. We can use that to our advantage, always.

[Hans Olo]

Quote:I think one major thing is that the info is disseminated here first and checked as thoroughly as possible, so we can weed out the crap that people might try and focus in on..

Agreed.

Quote:In fact, unless we can find a secure spot where it is not easy for people to pry, when it's up and running we should discuss via PM's here - it's not ideal in terms of conferencing and makes things awkward, there's also skype which can be utilised..

Is there an IRC channel we can use?

Quote:It's not being so manipulative imo - it's just a design to fend off attack from idiots..

Yes, for example to quick check facts before making a case. Or just to have someone give you a suggestion you can't come up at the time cos you're to agitated...

Quote:conspiracy theorists are viewed as easy targets to rag upon

First of all, we are not conspiracy theorists but rational thinkers B)

The good cop bad cop idea is ingenious. It's like taking their tools and use them against them.

Group dynamics.

[mastermg]

Alright I say attack large! I found this forum http://www.skepticforum.com/ if they are skeptics, then they should be pretty open minded. However, there already is a "conspiracy theories" and "holocaust denial" subforum in there, but many seem not to be buying it. 2 cents:P

[jack]

I hope you guys enjoy this experiment if you go through with it, I will help if it's on boards were I don't have to register but can reply as a guest. Call me chicken or paranoid, but my days of joining groups are over. At this point in my life I feel that my focus should be other things that I can accomplish right here in my own small reality. Besides I'm crap at debating, - pretty good at cheerleading/agreeing and stepping in and standing up to the bullies tho.

Any of you who are parents, please be careful !
I would like to think that all that I hear and read about people that are against the gov being targets are mere scare tactics, - but if not - you are putting yourself at risk of being separated from your children, then they would be left with no one to help them see through the state indoctrination and BS, they would be left alone to become brainwashed by the state, turning into everything that you many be against.

sorry to be the downer:(

[Hans Olo]

If what you say is true then we're screwed anyway, we might as well try and stop it.