The Zapruder film ...

[solar]

Was the Zapruder film altered in 1963 ?

And if so ...

... what are the implications ?

Ten minute video analysis at this link.

[hilly7]

I watched a film a while back, maybe the same one. It did look like it had been altered. Then again, I don't know enough about filming to know.

[Guest]

Are you referring to the commonly known missing frames or something more sinister?

[solar]

Quote:Are you referring to the commonly known missing frames or something more sinister?

The 10 minute film clip explores possible issues with the "Zapruder film" beyond prior analyzed issues such as "missing frames" and "frames out of order" ...

... the 10 minute film clip claims that the "Zapruder film" as finally released to the public is really a "composite", composed with technology that was available in 1963 within the film industry and within the intelligence agencies.

There is intriguing analysis of freeway signs and bystanders in the "Zapruder film" that do **not** match the reality of what witnesses reported.

Many of the movements of the bystanders appear not to be "synchronized" with the main event ...

... therefore implying a possible "composite" construction of the "Zapruder film" finally released to the public.

For 10 minutes, it's worth watching (IMHO!) ...

[Guest]

Thanks solar, I'll be sure to check it out.

[icosaface]

Very interesting solar, thanks for pointing this out.

[rsol]

the actual event itself is a distraction. the real video people should be looking at is the videos of the moments leading up to it. many other undeniable events showing it to be an inside job.

[monkeytribe23]

[Stolen from another forum....]

Youve all seen the Zapruder film...but have you guys seen:

The Elsie Dorman footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdJnKQzl-Y

Malcom Couch footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYN8VLf_04

The Jack Martin footage(really good zoom around the area as JFK is passing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8dLonVQTRA...feature=related

Tina Towner footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GTqlR9FCs

The Patsy Pascall footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiddBtPpdEM

The Charles Bronson footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IIMuBrkc

Robert Hughes assassination footage(including the Grassy Knoll)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPyzR1c_mc

Marie Muchmore footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hai5xX5kdsQ

Orville Nix footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoYnwGLTayE&NR=1

Discovery channel composits all the best JFK footage together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM

the George Jeffries film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xcxi4Kh_w

And rarest and crazy of them all...

The Mark Bell footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmeQicc6YE

The Dave Weigman footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J0CIlzxw7s...feature=related

Hope all the links work:)

[rsol]

please note what looks like a ricochet about 10 degrees leaving Kennedy's head. also please note Kennedy is still leaning forward. suggests Oswald or someone on that line of site. Also if you watch the video, the "back and to the left thing" is too slow for a bullet to make him move like that. i suggest he WAS hit in the back and his spline acted like a spring, If you are hit with a bullet you move almost instantly. He was leaning forward at the time. so his muscles would of been in a retracted mode as the bullet hit. this would instantly make his muscles contract suddenly. Just a thought........

[JazzRoc]

I heard the news about a quarter to one. It must have been a Saturday, for I was at my Farnborough Apprentice Hostel, and about to go for lunch. It was a cool overcast day. I had been playing guitar and singing Everley Brothers numbers with Frank McGlynn...

Quote:Was the Zapruder film altered in 1963 ?

And if so ...

... what are the implications ?

Ten minute video analysis at this link.

Of course it was. The fact that it wasn't available for years certainly put a strain on me. I mean, who WANTS to believe that erstwhile respectable US institutions (if such things exist) are assassins?
By the time Oswald was shot I was convinced anyway. Ruby's death of "cancer", Bobby's assassination, and I was quite prepared to see J. Edgar Hoover in a tutu.
Later on, the revelations about Bush Senior and his "Dallas project" came as no surprise either.
However I AM surprised by this. I have seen the Zapruder vid many times without noticing the subliminal inaccuracies which I now see CLEARLY...
EDIT 1 - That the car was brought to a halt makes a LOT MORE SENSE.
EDIT 2 - Skull damage (they attempted to conceal this) shows JFK was shot from the front. The 10 degree splatter is consistent with this.
EDIT 3 - Oswald was Hoover's agent, and was meant to be the patsy. And meant to be shot afterwards.
EDIT 4 - The guy on the knoll was meant to never exist. That's why the car slowed down, and why the Zapruder film required "editing" to conceal this.

Those guys were/are total bastards.

Thank goodness for human mortality, for this means ALL of the bastards will be dead one day...

[rsol]

hmm i dont agree fully with the findings that that video brings forward. it seemed to lead you to make assumptions.

100fps slowed to 25fps very well made through image based video frame morphing.

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close up showing his head hit and THEN moving back

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[kevlar]

who would believe that, tv fakery, i am gob smacked :O

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Quote:who would believe that, tv fakery, i am gob smacked :O

lol Touché

[rsol]

they cant all be faked try tracking them all together if you can but i don't think they could do composting of a caliber needed to fool people. they sure as hell didnt have it in the movies.

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you know it makes sense.

The video saying that composting was done on the film doesnt take into account the hudreds of different effects needed in order to simulate "real" production. even the best minds in Hollywood cant get it just right. motion blur. Is not easy to fake in compositing. Thats just the start of it. Most of the "artifacts" presented on the video are vague to say the least. Im not convinced.

The "back and to the left" can also be explained not just from the tension of Kennedy's back but also the explosive qualities of an exit wound. There is no doubt in my mind that Kennedy's head was hit from behind. The instant the bullet hits his head is thrown forward. After that he takes about 3-5 frames to go "back and to the left". That is a lot of time in ballistics.

exit wound can be seen as happening at the front right of Kennedy's head. This is not consistent with a "back and to the left" once again. The grassy knoll is off my watch list. From the evidence on the tape i would say that the "exit wound" is actually a compression made from the bullet hitting his skull and ricocheting onto the grass behind the car. That would suggest the explosion of his skull to the front right, judging from the angle.